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Would this be legit for a firearms importation permit? I thought you would have to prove ownership of the weapon in order to take it. I suspect you would temporarily have to "buy" the weapon with the understanding you would sell it back when you returned. Does anyone here have experience with this? | ||
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These are some brief excerpts from the formal SA act requirements So interpret it as you will, it is reasonably clear Peter 3. Proof of Ownership Firearm licenses, documentary proof, etc. For USA Citizens a Customs Declaration Form 4457, that is officially stamped, is essential. 4. Proof of Export Note: Clients must obtain documentation from an official government institution, police/customs, for legally exporting firearm(s). This must be written in English and state the following: “It is hereby certified that the owner of the firearm(s) M (state particulars) with calibre (state the calibre), serial number (state the serial number) and type (state type of weapon) is hereby authorized to temporarily export the above firearms(s) from country (state the country). Weather | |||
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If you have a 4457 with your name on it and the SN# on the firearm matches the 4457 I don't see why you wouod have any problem. So you could borrow Joe's 475 Wiz-Bang for the duration of your safari as long as you had your own 4457 that matched the rifle. Simple! MARK H. YOUNG MARK'S EXCLUSIVE ADVENTURES 7094 Oakleigh Dr. Las Vegas, NV 89110 Office 702-848-1693 Cell, Whats App, Signal 307-250-1156 PREFERRED E-mail markttc@msn.com Website: myexclusiveadventures.com Skype: markhyhunter Check us out on https://www.facebook.com/pages...ures/627027353990716 | |||
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No need to over-complicate the issue. Borrow whatever you want, take it to the U.S. Customs office and get a Form 4457. RSA is the only place in Africa where I've been asked to produce a 4457. No one will ever ask you if you "own" the weapon. The Customs Service won't even keep a copy of your 4457. The only way to prove ownership would require some type of gun registration and I don't think any of us want to go down that road. To me, it's nonsensical that RSA would accept the Form 4457 for anything. The 4457 only represents that you possesed the items listed so you won't be levied or taxed upon return to the U.S. It's not an export permit by any stretch. You could probably get a Stinger missle listed on a Form 4457 if you found the right agent. ______________________________ "Truth is the daughter of time." Francis Bacon | |||
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ForrestB You are 100% correct .... Essentially the (4457 form) is only for you (USA nationals) to prove that you took the item/s out legally and UPON you return to the good OL USA the authorities can see you did not in fact purchase them abroad, and therfore no duty can be charged ... BUT seeing you USA guys dont seem have a formal GUN LICENCE or ownership document or whatever ... THE SA authorities therefore are considerate to USE your 4457 as a proof of ownership document to cover, when in fact if the (truth be known) I dont believe in the USA it is a proof of ownwership document is it, it only means you registered those items on the form to take them out the country and that you want to bring them back in again !!! Peter | |||
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This is only partially true....The Klintoon folks (yes...they did something good) changed the law and the customs folks must PROVE you purchased the item overseas in order to charge duty on it. This applies to cameras and other such valuable items. RE: borrowing a rifle.....OK...get the form filled out as though it's yours and from that point until it's returned to it's original owner it's yours no matter who asks!!! There is no way anyone knows different and we want it to stay that way.....but that form is like gold in RSA...it's your proof of ownership. /////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// "Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery." Winston Churchill | |||
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vapodog or others Pardon my ignorance .... In the USA how do you guys prove to any TOM DICK or HARRY or Govermment authority person that you actually OWN the rifle ... Just for instance, say there was a reason ( murder in the district) for someone in authority to come to your house and ask proof that you own that rifle sitting on the kitchen table, or even if you are travellin in your CAR to hunt somewhere and an officer stops you at a road check and says, prove that Rifle is yours sunshine ??? I suppose you are going to say EVERT STATE is different, sh.t I thought I should never have asked the question  Peter | |||
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Hush now children, who knows, some RSA officail may be reading this very thread! Or having some one read it to him!  Ray Atkinson Atkinson Hunting Adventures 10 Ward Lane, Filer, Idaho, 83328 208-731-4120 rayatkinsonhunting@gmail.com | |||
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Ray's right again. Let's don't be so foolish as to create another reason for the good old government folks from the RSA to require yet another additional document from your local police station or other to get into their country to hunt. Let's end the discussion or change the subject. | |||
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It's the beauty of the second amendment.....WE DON'T HAVE TO PROVE THEY ARE OURS!!!!! Further the only proof I need to sell a gun via private transaction is posession..... If it's in my hands it's assumed to be mine. Further if I buy a new gun and sign the form saying I'm not a fellon the next day I don't have to have the gun. I can resell it and not record who I sold it to. It's my personal property same as a sack of potatoes....if it's in my posession it's mine!!! Here's a wrinkle now....If I report a gun stolen and the gun is found at a neighbor's house the neighbor better have a bill of sale. However if he has a bill of sale he has no responsibility to tell anyone especially the government. Firearms (including pistols) are not registered in the United States. /////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// "Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery." Winston Churchill | |||
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They know the US gun laws in the RSA...I was asked for proof of ownership and I said there was no such thing in the US and they said....yes we know...just show us the 4457 form. I did and all was well. /////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// "Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery." Winston Churchill | |||
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Honest folks, I wasn't trying to open a can of worms here. Just wanted to avoid what might be an ugly situation at customs. Worse, I would hate to return without the borrowed weapon because of a techicality. If the 4457 form is the answer I am quite satisfied with it. | |||
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Isn't it neat how our second ammendment f*cks with peoples mind in the rest of the world - Freedom will do that you know.  | |||
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In France (and most European countries now since the EuroUnion came up with the idea) we now have a "passport" for firearms. All the firearms I intend to travel with are listed by make, model and serial number and the local prefecture puts a little stamp next to each listing. It does make it simple to get through customs anywhere since it is official and customs agents love official looking documents. _________________________________ AR, where the hopeless, hysterical hypochondriacs of history become the nattering nabobs of negativisim. | |||
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Wink That is like in Zambia, they have a blue book with guns listed. So you guys in France (apart from the nice passport document) also have beautiful women, nice cheese and wines to go with it, and you voted against the EU constitution, well the French are still (on my christmas card list)  Take care, and thanks for the information ... Peter | |||
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That is true except in lovely Kalifornia where you are prohibited from buying any gun in person private transactions - even out of state. And you have to wait 10 days to pick it up from an FFL dealer - even if it is a single shot .22 you bought from your neighbor and already own 100 rifles they have a record of. They tack on about $30 for that lovely service not counting what an FFL dealer charges you. So some non-US members go through less hassle than if you live in California. | |||
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