I came across this ad in Hatari Times.

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They claim it is the first "Big Game Double Barrel Repeater."

Interesting to say the least!

I saw that rifle at SCI in 96. It's been around for quite a while. I wonder how sales are going.
Take good care,
Dave

Heavy?

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Originally posted by kayaker:
Heavy?

My thoughts too!!

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Originally posted by kayaker:
Heavy?



My thoughts too!!

I think think they go about 12 pounds.


Jason

Blaser also makes one. Basically two R93s in the same stock.

Called R93 Duo Mod. Hamed

The one I picked up at SCI was way too heavy.

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Originally posted by Cardinal:
Blaser also makes one. Basically two R93s in the same stock.

Called R93 Duo Mod. Hamed

It's only a matter of time before Walter gets one!

It was tested in a Norwegian hunting magazine a while ago. As I recall it was rather expensive. $40-50k IIRC.
Cant remember the weight of hand.

http://www.blaser.de/R-93-Duo-Hamed.750.0.html?&L=1

POS in my opinion.

Seems kind of silly to me. You can accomplish the same thing for a whole lot less money by simply adding an extended magazine to any bolt action DG rifle. It will cost a bit but nowhere near the asking price of this thing.

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Originally posted by graybird:
I came across this ad in Hatari Times.

Link

They claim it is the first "Big Game Double Barrel Repeater."

Interesting to say the least!

Someone should give those Fucks a call and get all the details.


Sorry...I couldn't resist....

I have talked to Mr Fuchs at great detail, and if money was no object, I would probably have a few laying around for shooting prairie dogs, ephalumps, and woosels.

They have some strange features, but it is a very unique design. It is has a rear locking action. It was designed by a Canadian that owns a some kind of aerospace company in Ontario, he had some problems with a A-square rifle on safari and decided that he should build a better mouse trap.

So he had his cad-cam engineers design the rifle. They also came out with an over and under double rifle. I have yet to see it though.

It is a double push feed rifle, but according to Mr Fuchs "we couldn't get it to work with claw extractors".

This isn't their first "abomination", they have been making fine double rifles, bolt guns, single shots, and shotguns for a long time. I am not sure how old the Fuchs (fox in English) firm is, but they are Ferlach or Suhl trained gunsmiths.

If you like it fine, if you don't fine too, but it is far from a piece of shit. I think we have stigmatism that only big Mausers and side by side double rifles kill game.

I have known a ton of professional hunters all over the world that have taken dangerous game with things like the Steyr-Mannlicher and it's rotary magazine, M700s, M77 tang safety Rugers, and Blaser R93s, and especialy over and under double rifles in 458 Win and 375 H&H with the belt!

D99 is right on many of his comments, both pro, and con about this thing! I say if it floats your canoe, start paddeling, it's you money, and your butt on the line!

I personally have no objection to a bolt action double rifle, but I find this one to be about as wrong as anyone could build one!In this case, as bad as I hate to say it, the Blaser double bolt rifle is a better design, and thousands less in price.

By it's necessary design with a bolt action, makes the rifle much longer than is needed,by action length, or wanted by the douuble rifle's serious users. Ballance would have to be very carefully designed into the rifle, so that it ballanced both when fully loaded, and not go off ballance as the magazine ran dry. I have seen many films of this rifle being fired, but to date nobody has ever shown a target as any indication of regulation quality.

The maker's answer as to why the rifle was made as a push feed, is bogus, because with the in-line, single stack magazine, it would quite easy to make the rifle a CRF action. Winchester did it with a little Mod 61 .22 pump rifle, and the mod 9422, 9422M, and the Mod 52 rifles, one a bolt, a pump, and the other a lever action
,and not one of those rifles cost more that $200 new! Those designers simply didn't know there was any need for CRF, and like some other makers depend on magazine capacity, to over come the need cor controled feeding! IMO, the big reason is to cut cost for the maker, not because PF is better! Every time I see someone speak on CRF the "CLAW EXTRACTOR" is what they think is what makes an action CRF, and that is not the case. you can make a push feed rifle with a claw extractor, but it is still a push feed rifle, and prone to the failiers of that design.

The FUCH IMO, is an over weight, poorly designed, push feed bolt rifle, that has only one thing that makes it even nearly as reliable as a classic double rifle, and that is the fact that one has only to pull the triggers to get off the first two shots, in two different barrels! In addtion to that is that the action is strong enough to handle any cartridge that will fit in the action.

Again, IMO, the only thing worse than a DGR made on a PF action,is one with two barrels made on double push feed action with a single trigger. Top that off with the price of this thing,if you can aford to buy this thing you have the funds to buy one of the best double rifle ever made, so why bother with a push feed abortion?

Beside all that life is just too short to hunt with an UGLY rifle, even if it does have two barrels!

I think Jeff Cooper described it perfectly. "The perfect solution to a non-existent problem."

465H&H

The prototype of this contraption blew off the thumb of Rory Gallatly a PH in Zambia. The builders brought it on safari and everybody was shooting it just for fun. The surgeons made his fore finger into a sort of thumb and shaking his hand is a weird expereince. For me I think that fact in itself would keep me from buying that rifle.

One of my friends a few years ago visited the booth were this rifle was on display at the Reno SCI show. After he looked the rifle over he asked if this was the rifle that blew the PH's thumb off. The saleperson removed the rifle from my friend's hands and turned his back on him. Hmmmm!

Mark

Mark

How did it blow it off?

Do you mean cut it off by cycling the bolt left handed and not moving your right hand?

I saw one years ago and I agree that it is overly heavy and just plain weird. On a dangerous game hunt, as in combat, reliability is everything. This is a classic example of failing to K.I.S.S.

The AR15 is another example of failure to KISS.