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Larry,

The Lacey Act is a really poisonous piece of legislation & can be be applied to anyone, anywhere for breaking any game law anywhere in the world no matter what passport they hold....... Whether they can be deported to the US is a different matter but this case proves the US is willing to try.


I agree with the above statement..

but..

I am pretty sure Lacey only applies to US flora and fauna..

They can go after a foreign national and ask for that person to be extradited..

But I dont think they can apply Lacey to an Elephant..



I was going to go read the Endangered Species Act today (what they used to go after the US hunter) and see if there is a provision in there that they might use against the PH..


They can apply it to anyone who breaks any game law anywhere in the world & it has been applied (or perhaps misapplied?) to s number of non US citizens over the years.

I can't remember the exact details but seem to remember at least one SA PH (some years ago) being arrested when he went to the US for convention season & IIRC it had something to do with a leopard being shot in one country & smuggled over the border to another so they could claim it was shot elsewhere.

In this case, I'd guess the biggest hurdle will be getting the guy extradited to the US.

As Todd quite rightly says: " They'll use it where and when they desire, and stretch it far and wide beyond its original intent".


May be they should start investigating the South African professional hunters who supply SCI award winning trophies then!

We all know good trophies do not grow on trees, and some of those crooks in South Africa supply them on demand!


I think SCI is a typo, I think its SSI, as that's what is throughout the rest of the document.
 
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No, “we” don’t deserve this.

The hunter obviously knew he was trying to get around things...$25 k and an agreement not to hunt for 4 years?

The hunter, and the PH sound like common poachers.

I wish they would face the music in Zimbabwe rather than in US court...where it rightly belongs. And I bet 2 months in a Zim jail is harder time than 5 years in a US one.
 
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No, “we” don’t deserve this.

The hunter obviously knew he was trying to get around things...$25 k and an agreement not to hunt for 4 years?

The hunter, and the PH sound like common poachers.

I wish they would face the music in Zimbabwe rather than in US court...where it rightly belongs. And I bet 2 months in a Zim jail is harder time than 5 years in a US one.


They are poachers.

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Case 1:18-po-07002-STV Document 7 Filed 04/24/18 USDC Colorado Page 1 of 18
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IN THE UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT FOR THE DISTRICT OF COLORADO

Criminal Case No.

UNITED STATES OF AMERICA,

Plaintiff,

v.

PAUL ROSS JACKSON,

Defendant.


PLEA AGREEMENT


The United States Attorney' s Office for the District of Colorado (the "Office"), by and through, Suneeta Hazra and Bryan David Fields, Assistant United States Attorneys for the District of Colorado, and the defendant , Paul Ross Jackson, personally and by counsel, Daniel T. Smith, submit the following Plea Agreement, pursuant to D.C.COLO.LCrR 11.1.
I. PLEA AGREEMENT

A. Defendant's Obligations

1. The defendant agrees to plead guilty to an Information charging him with a misdemeanor violation of the Endangered Species Act, 16 U.S.C. § 1538(a)(l)(G) and 1540(b)( l ).
2. The defendant recommends and will agree that a fine of $25,000 is sufficient, but not greater than necess ary, to accomplish the goals of statutory sentencing codified at 18 U.S.C.
§ 3553(a). Accordingly, the defendant agrees not to argue for or otherwise seek a lesser sentence. The defendant further agrees that he shall not hunt any endangered or threatened wildlife listed in

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50 C.F.R. § 17.11, including as it may be subsequently amended, for a period of four years from the date of the entry of any judgment entered in connection with this plea agreement (the "Hunting Ban" ). The defendant further agrees to assist the United States in the enforcement of the Hunting Ban by providing to the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service, as soon as practicable but not less than two weeks in advance, any and all documents and correspondence relating to any hunt outside of the United States, in cluding, but not limited to, hunting permits, agreements, itiner aries, receipts, and invoices . The government will provide the defendant with the name and contact information of the Fish and Wildlife Service employee to whom the defendant shall report this information . The defendant further agrees that, as soon as is practicable , but no later than within four years from the entry of any judgment entered in connection with this plea agreement, he will transfer to the government of Zimbabwe ivory tusks identified with stamp numbers ZW 20152603 7 and ZW 201526038 that were obtained as a result of the conduct described in the stipulated statement of facts set forth in paragraphs 16-57.
B. The Office's Obligations

3. In exchange for the defendant's plea of guilty to the count charged in the Information , the Office agrees, subject to the exceptions described in paragraphs 6 through 9 below , not to file any additional criminal charges in the District of Colorado against the defendant based on information presently known to the Office, as outlined in the statement of facts set forth in paragraphs 16-57.
4. The Office recommends and will agree that a fine of $25,000 is sufficient, but not greater than necessary, to accomplish the goals of statutory sentencing codified at 18 U.S.C. §
3553(a). Accordingly, the Office agrees not to argue for or otherwise seek a higher sentence.

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5. This agreement does not bind any federal, state, or local prosecuting authority other than the Office, and does not prohibit the Office from initiating or prosecuting any civil or administrative proceedings directly or indirectly involving the defendant.
C. Defendant's Agreement to Toll the Applicable Statute of Limi.tations

6. The defendant is aware that he could be indicted for other crimes arising from the conduct agreed upon in the stipulation of facts set forth below, including charges related to violations of the Lacey Act, 16 U.S.C. § 3372(a)(2)(A), wire fraud, 18 U.S.C. § 1343, and conspiracy to violate those offenses, 18 U.S.C. §§ 371 and 1349. The defendant has discussed the penalties for these crimes with his attorney and understands that the most severe combination of penalties may include up to twenty years ' imprisonment , a fine of $250,000 or two times the loss/g ain, which is greater, supervised release for up to 3 years following any term of imp risonment, and forfeiture of the proceeds of any violation. He further understands that penalties imposed for multiple counts of conviction may be imposed consecutively.
7. However, in exchange for the concessions in this agreement, the defendant agrees that any statutes of limitation and any defenses arising therefrom, applicable to violations
described in the previous paragraph shall be tolled from the date on which this agreement is .
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accepted by the Court for a period of years (hereinafter the " Tolling Period" ). The defend t

further understands that, upon material breach of this agreement, the Office shall have reserved the right to bring charges related to the crimes described above in paragraph 6 within the Tolling Period . The defendant concedes that violation of the Hunting Ban, or a failure to transfer to the government of Zimbabwe ivory tusks identified with stamp numbers ZW 201526037 and ZW
201526038 as soon as is practicable, but no later than within four years from the entry of any




judgment in connection with this plea, would be a material breach of this agreement. The defendant understands that the Office, in its sole discretion, will determine whether the defendant has materially breached any term of this agreement, including the terms related to the Hunting Ban, and that the Office's good faith determination as to whether there has been a material breach shall be binding upon him . Should the defendant bring a claim that the Office has not acted in good faith, the defendant shall bear the burden of supporting that claim by a preponderance of the evidence.
8. The defendant understands that the law provides that in the absence of any waiver of the statutes of limitation , and except as otherwise provided by law, pursuant to 18 U.S.C. § 3282, any criminal charge pursuant to the violations described above in paragraph 6, must be brought within a five-year limitations period beginning on the date of the commission or conclusion of the offenses alleged.
9. The defendant understands that by executing this agreement, he is giving up any defenses related to any applicable statutes oflimitations as to any of the violations described above in paragraph 6 that might be brought against him for which any applicable statutes of limitation would have otherwise expired during the Tolling Period, that the Tolling Period will not be considered in determining whether charges are barred by any applicable statutes oflimitation, and that any applicable statutes oflimitation are accordingly tolled with respect to such charges during this period. The defendant understands, acknowledges , and agrees that the period of time covered under the Tolling Period will not be used in calculations determining whether any criminal proceedings against him are within any applicable statutes of limitation .




D. Defendant's Waiver of Appeal

10. The defendant is aware that 18 U.S.C. § 3742 affords the right to appeal the sentence, including the manner in which that sentence is determined . Understanding this, and in exchange for the concessions made by the Office in this agreement, the defendant knowingly and voluntarily waives the right to appeal any matter in connection with this prosecution, conviction, or sentence unless it meets one of the following criteria: (1) the sentence exceeds 6 months' imp risonmen;t or (2) the Office appeals the sentence imposed . If any of these two criteria apply, the defendant may appeal on any ground that is properly available in an appeal that follows a guilty plea.
11. The defendant also knowingly and voluntarily waives the right to challenge this prosecution, conviction, or sentence in any collateral attack (including , but not limited to, a motion brought under 28 U.S.C. § 2255). This waiver provision does not prevent the defendant from seeking relief otherwise available in a collateral attack on any of the following grounds: (1) the defendant should receive the benefit of an explicitly retroactive change in the sentencing guidelines or sentencing statute; (2) the defendant was deprived of the effective assistance of counsel; or (3) the defendant was prejudiced by prosecutorial misconduct.
II. ELEMENTS OF THE OFFENSE

12. The parties agree that the elements of the offense to which this plea is being tendered are as follows :
First, the defendant knowingly violated an implementing regulation issued under the Endangered Species Act regarding the delivery, receipt, carrying, transportation, or shipment of threatened wildlife in the course of a commercial activity in foreign commerce;




Second, the animal delivered, received, carried, transported and shipped was an African Elephant (Loxodonta Africana) which is, in fact, threatened;

Third, the defendant acted unlawfully, that is without permission from the United States Department of the futerior.

III. STATUTORY PENALTIES

13. Pursuant to Title 16, United States Code, Section 1540, the maximum statutory penalty for a violation of Title 16, United States Code, Section 1538(a)(l )(G), as charged in the fuformation , is not more than 6 months ' imprisonment , a fine of $25,000 (or both imprisonment and a fine) and a $10 special assessment. There is no restitution in this case.
14. A violation of any condition(s) of probation may result in a separate prison sentence and additional supervision .
V. STIPULATION OF FACTS

15. The parties agree that there is a factual basis for the guilty plea that the defendant will tender pursuant to this plea agreement. That factual basis, accurate at all times relevant to this agreement, is set forth below in paragraphs 16-57. As part of this agreement, the defendant admits, accepts and acknowledges that the facts described in paragraphs 16-57 are true and accurate. Should the defendant breach this agreement, including a breach related to the Hunting Ban, the defendant agrees that he will not contest the admissibility of, nor contradict, in any prosecution of the crimes described above in paragraph 6, this Stipulation of Facts. If any such prosecution is brought, the defendant waives all claims under the United States Constitution, Rule 1l(t) of the Federal Rules of Criminal Procedure, Rule 410 of the Federal Rules of Evidence, or any other federal statute or rule that statements made and adopted by the defendant
as part of this stipulation of facts, or any leads derived therefrom, should be suppressed.




16. The Convention on International Trade in Endangered Species of Wild Fauna and Flora (" CITES"), was signed by the United States in 1973 and became effective in 1975. CITES regulated the international trade in wildlife by placing species onto three " Appendices" based on the species' relative threatened status: species on Appendix One are the most seriously threatened and, therefore , the most restricted ; species on Appendix Two, such as the African Elephant (Loxodonta Africana) are not as threatened and can be traded with an appropriate permit; species on Appendix Three are those that are of concern only in a particular country and are the least regulated .
17. The United States Fish and Wildlife Service implemented CITES in the United States through the Endangered Species Act ("ESA") and its associated regulations. See 50
C.F.R. §§ 17. l(a) and 23. l (c) . The ESA, 16 U.S.C. § 1538(a)( l )(G), made it unlawful to violate any regulation pertaining to a threatened species.
18. The African Elephant (Loxodonta Africana) was listed as "threatened" under the Endangered Species Act, which executed the CITES by establishing a program for the conservation of endangered and threatened species designated as such by the Secretaries of the Interior and Commerce . 50 C.F.R. § 17.11.
19. It was a violation of the ESA's regulations to deliver, receive, carry, transport or ship in foreign commerce , by any means whatsoever, and in the course of a commercial activity, any threatened wildlife. See 50 C.F.R. § 17.31 (applying provisions of 50 C.F.R. § 17.21). However , the regulations at M C.F.R. §17.40 contain a special rule for the African Eleph (Loxodonta Africana) .




20. The special regulations for the African Elephant made it unlawful to deliver,

receive, carry, transport or ship in interstate or foreign commerce and in the course of a
so
commercial activity any sport-hunted African Elephant (Loxodonta Africana) trophy. C.F.

§ 17.40(e)(6)(ii). Furthermore , only trophies taken legally in an African elephant range country
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qualified as sport-hunted . Pr C.F.R. § 17.40(e)(6)(i)(A).

21. The Zimbabwean Parks and Wild Life Act made it unlawful, with certain exceptions granted by the Zimbabwe Parks and Wildlife Authority that did not apply, to hunt any wildlife in a national park or to sell any animal or any part of an animal which has been hunted in or has died in or has been removed from a national park. That same act designated a 505,300 hectare area of the Chiredzi District of Zimbabwe as a national park called Gonarezhou National Park.
22. The defendant was a resident of Evergreen, Colorado, within the State and District of Colorado.
23. H.V.R., was a resident and citizen of the Republic of South Africa ("South Africa"). He was a professional hunter who owned and operated A.A.A, a company known to the parties, through which he marketed, sold, and carried out hunts in South Africa and Zimbabwe.
24. A.H. was a resident and citizen of the Republic of Zimbabwe ("Zimbabwe").

A.H. was a professional hunter who owned and operated a Zimbabwe-based outfitting company, the identity of which is known to the United States Attorney, through which A.H. provided hunting-related services, including guided hunts, dipping and packing, and the facilitation of
export permits .




25. R.Q. was a resident of New York. R.Q. was an employee of a S.S.I., which was in the business of facilitating the import of hunting trophies by coordinating with the foreign exporter, the professional hunter, the taxidermist, and shipping companies . R.Q. was given a power of attorney by the defendant to handle all of his importing and exporting matters and the defendant willfully caused R.Q. to perform acts on his behalf related to shipping and transporting his hunting trophies.
26. T.M., whose identity is known to the United States Attorney, worked for R.Q. from approximately March 2014 to July 2016 as an administrative assistant.
27. On or about and between April 29, 2015 and May 5, 2015, PAUL ROSS JACKSON and H.V.R. shot and killed an African Elephant inside Gonarezhou National Park in violation of the Zimbabwe Parks and Wildlife Act.
28. After taking the African Elephant in Gonarezhou National Park, PAUL ROSS JACKSON worked with others to effectuate his intent to export the African Elephant from Zimbabwe to South Africa where he could use casts of the elephant's tusks for his trophy and then sell the ivory in foreign commerce for approximately $300 per pound.
29. On June 3, 2015, T.M., working under JACKSON ' s power of attorney, sent an email to A.H. stating, among other things, " I am just touching base regarding Mr . Jackson' s trophies ... he is very excited about this elephant and has called a few times to make sure everything is under control."
30. On June 3, 2015, A.H . responded to T.M. in an email stating, among other things,
" I have been able to collect his trophies which included : 1 skull, 1 cape, 3 panels skin, 4 feet and 4 bones.. [sic] There appears to be an issue with the ivory (which have not yet been registered)




and these are being held by National parks as apparently the bull was killed within a National Park?? I don ' t know any details but I am concerned."
31. On June 3, 2015, T.M., working under JACKSON' s power of attorney, forwarded

A.H. ' s previous email to, among others, JACKSON, H.V.R. and A.H., adding, among other things, the statement that A.H. " was able to pick up the highlighted items but not the ivory due to the elephant being killed in a National Park. I have copied [H.V.R.] as he needs to sort this out asap because arrangements were made through him and we do not want this to sit for too long . Please let us know next steps so we can proceed accordingly and have [A.H.] pick up the ivory asap."
32. On June 3, 2015, JACKSON responded to T.M.' s email: " we want to obtain the

ivory ."

33. On June 17, 2015, T.M. working under JACKSON ' s power of attorney, responded to an email from A.H. by stating , among other things, "Thank you [A.H.]. Do you have an expected time frame that you will be able to pick up the ivory" The email from A.H. stated " herewith the latest on the ivory," and forwarded an email from C.K. stating, among other things, "The ivory for Mr . Ross Jackson has been released by Parks . . . and will be delivered ... today. The ivory weighed 26 and 27 Kgs respectively."
34. On July 22, 2015, T.M., working under JACKSON ' s power of attorney, forwarded to JACKSON and another individual an email from A.H. in which A.H. stated, among other things, " his tusks are in my possession now -Weights - 26kg/ 57 lbs & 27kg/59.5 lbs . Please let me know where these are going to as I need the address for the export permit." In
T.M.'s email to JACKSON, T.M. stated , among other things, " [A.H.] received your ivories today




and please find the weights he forwarded. Ross, please call me as it is important. I need to discuss the tanning of the elephant skins in [A.H.]'s possession."
35. On September 21, 2015, T.M., working under JACKSON's power of attorney, wrote to A.H. and another, stating "we will obtain this document for you and be in touch shortly. We will also be in touch with the payment for your dip/pack/tanning invoice." T.M. was responding to an email sent that same day by A.H. in which A.H. stated, among other things,
"Our CITES authority ... has thrown a curve ball at me with regards to Ross Jackson Export application for his elephant trophy .... To wit, they want an notarized affidavit from yourself and or Ross Jackson stating that the elephant is not going to imported into the USA ie to South Africa only. Please would you compile such a document and email it to me asap so I can get these people to issue his export permit. Kindly note I am also waiting for payment so can pay the tannery and my pack & dip fees."
36. On November 13, 2015, R.Q., working under JACKSON ' s power of attorney, sent an email to, among others, JACKSON, and A.H., addressed to A.H., in which R.Q. stated, among other things, "I want to take this opportunity to personally thank you with Mr. Jackson in copy, for the tremendous maneuvering you did to get his ivories out of Zimb Parks. It took quite some time and if it was not for you, Mr. Jackson would not have his ivories today. Once he is back and in addition to the payment , I will also send you the required Affidavit stating that the ivories will only be exported to RSA."
37. On January 29, 2016, T.M., working under JACKSON ' s power of attorney, sent an email to, among others, JACKSON and R.Q. stating, among other things, " I wanted to give a
heads up since [R.Q.] has not received a phone call or text back. This week we heard from a




very upset [A.H.] due to an 'overnight decree' by Zim Parks that they will no longer issue export permits to RSA for any hunter outside of RSA wanting to send their trophies (any trophies) to RSA for taxidermy work or further processing. They will only issue expert permits for the country where the hunter resides."
38. On January 29, 2016, JACKSON responded to T.M., stating "Bad news .... Just talked to [R.Q.]."
39. On February 7, 2016, H.V.R. sent an email to A.H. stating, among other things,

"Ross Jackosn [sic] told me there a problem on the export of elephant tusk to south Africa ... can you please update me about the problem, I did booked Ross Jackson with [J.N.] in Zimbabwe Outfitter camp. Ross is long time client of he [sic] hunting the last 5 years with me."
40. On February 7, 2016, A.H. responded to H.V.R.' s email , stating , among other things, " On 8 January 2016 I was advised by our Parks Authority that with immediate effect no export permit would be issued to any clients wanting to send trophies to any Country other than the Country stated on the TRAS2 (Hunting Permit). This has not only affected Jacksons [sic] trophies but a score of others as well. Ross Jackson' s address on his TRAS2 Permit shows an address in Colorado USA and we have applied for an Export permit to a South African destination. I will write an appeal to this Expert permit rejection but it may help if we can prove Mr . Jackson has a residence in RSA."
41. On February 10, 2016, R.Q., working under JACKSON's power of attorney, sent an email to A.H., H.V.R., JACKSON, and others stating, among other things:
We just got back from SCI and jumping into full speed to make sure this export to RSA situation is resolved swiftly. [H.V.R.] may be travelling home now so I am trusting that he will be replying soon. Please know I went to visit [H.V.R.] at his booth but both




times, he was with clients . Instead , I spoke with his assistant about your instructions that was further confirmed by Emmie at SCI so I am hopeful [H.V.R.] got the message and we will hear back soon. Whilst we are waiting to proceed with the residency paperwork noted above, I've also included Mr Jackson on this email so he is aware of my formal request to you on his behalf for the making of three sets of replica tusks . Please send me the cost and estimate time needed to make these natural color (no stand) replica sets.

42. On February 19, 2016, R.Q., working on JACKSON' s behalf, sent an email to H.V.R., A.H., JACKSON, and others, stating, among other things
As of this writing, I confirm the following : . . . (2) On January 8, when [A.H.] followed up regarding to the export permits from Zimb Parks, he was given a letter of rejection by Zimb Parks, which I hereby include for reference. (3) [H.V.R.] is aware of the need to obtain a certified letter of RSA Residency for Mr. Jackson. (4) Unless and until we know a residency letter has been issued and accepted by Zimb Parks, there cannot be the export of these trophies into RSA.

43. On February 22, 2016, H.V.R. replied to R.Q.' s email, copying JACKSON and another, stating, among other things , " Hello Every one I arrive back at my house yesterday and will start working on this today. I will go to SOUTH AFRICAN POLICE station and get a letter to confirm this."
44. On March 8, 2016, JACKSON sent an email to an employee of the company retained to make replicas of the eleph ant' s tusks in which he responded to an earlier message informing him that his ivory was with the company. In the email JACKSON stated, among other things, " I would like two sets made up. After that is done am I at will to sell or direct the disposition of the ivory? If so can I sell it to a party outside of Zim or must I be limited to a party inside of Zim? Can I have it shipped to my alternate residence in SA?"
45. On March 13, 2016, A.H., who had received the March 8, 2016 email after it was

forwarded to R.Q. and A.H., responded to JACKSON stating, among other things, "I was




expecting a letter proving you had a residence in SA to try and appeal to the rejection of your application to ship your trophies to the Taxidermist in SA. So far I have not yet received that letter so have not been able to appeal. As far as I am aware it is not possible for sport hunted ivory to be sold as these are hunted and become personal items/trophies - I will however enquire at our Parks Office and see if they will allow it due to the circumstances we are in right now."
46. On March 13, 2016, JACKSON responded to A.H. in an email asking "Can they be given away."
47. On March 16, 2016, A.H. responded to JACKSON in an email in which he stated, among other things, " They have advised me to first bring the letter from [H.V.R.] and then make an appeal to have the decision changed to allow these trophies to go to SA. Sport Hunted Ivory cannot be sold. You can donate the tusks to anyone as long as they are in Zimbabwe and you will need to write a letter stating you are giving the ivory away - with full details of name address ID number etc."
48. On March 16, 2016, JACKSON responded to A.H. in an email stating, among other things, "Thank you for the information . I am sure the letter from [H.V.R.] will be forthcoming shortly."
49. On April 19, 2016, T.M., working under JACKSON' s power of attorney, responded to an email from A.H. in which A.H. had stated, among other things, " I guess we need the letter from [H.V.R.] first and see if our CITES will allow the export to go to SA or not." In
T.M.'s response T.M. stated , among other things, " We will continue to follow up with [H.V.R.]




to push for this letter. I know we are just in a holding pattern with all of the trophies until it is received."
50. On May 4, 2016, T.M., working under JACKSON's power of attorney, sent an email to W.D.C., copying A.H., R.Q., JACKSON and another individual, stating, among other things "I spoke with Ross today and it seems that no one, including Ross, has been able to get in touch with [H.V.R.]. This is not good and holding up progress with Ross ' s shipment in
Zimbab we. In hopes of speeding up the process, Ross is asking for your assistance with obtaining the notarized RSA residency letter that [A.H.] needs in order to proceed with the export for you. Is this something you can help with? Please expect to hear from Ross separately but in the meantime he asked that we reach out to your for a heads up on his behalf "
51. On May 4, 2016, W.D.C. responded to T.M.'s email, copying JACKSON, stating , among other things, " I have spoken to my daughter who is an attorney and she has stated that a residency letter would not be possible as that has to be issued by the department of home affairs. I can have a letter notarized to say that Ross visits South Africa on a number of occasions each year and stays with my daughter when he is here, if this would help."
52. On August 30, 2016, A.H. sent an email to R.Q. stating , among other things, "My constant pressure has paid off- Ihave finally won with Ross Jacksons first export permit for his elephant hunt. The draft copy was issued today and I will process the same this afternoon."
53. On or about October 12, 201, R.Q. sent an email to A.H. in which R.Q. stated, among other things, "Ross Jackson is back in the US and on board with next steps. First, he is making payment to TCI for the Replicas today and then we wait for tusks and replicas to make
their way up to you, [A.H.]. [A.H.], who pays for the charges back up to you? How does this




work? Next, while the tusks make their way up to [A.H.], we can proceed with getting all permits in place for both export and import into RSA."
54. On October 12, 2016, A.H. responded to R.Q.' s questions, stating , with regard to the charges for transporting the replicas that "I expect if TCI has a vehicle coming up or if Im going down we will get these back to Harare. There4 [sic] should be no charge for that."
55. On October 12, 2016, R.Q. sent an email to A.H. in which she stated, among other things, " Thank you and I will wait for a separate email with the full list of trophies so I can triple check with Ross. You' re a STAR!"
56. On October 12, 2016, R.Q . sent an email to A.H. in which she stated, among other things, "Thank you so much, [A.H.]." R.Q. was responding to an earlier email in which A.H. had provided a list of JACKSON's trophies. Included on that list, under the hearing
" SERENGETI/SSGHUNT" was "ELEPHANT - 2X TUSKS (ZW 2015 26037/28- 26KG/27KG" and "ELEPHANT - IX SKULL, 1 XCAPE, 3 XPANELS TANNED SKIN, 4
X FEET, 4 X LEG BONES" and "Replica tusks?"

57. The defendant did all of the above in a knowing effort to violate Fish and Wildlife regulations related to African Elephants that implemented the Endangered Species Act. The defendant knew that the animal he killed inside Gonarezhou National Park was an African Elephant (Loxodonta Africana ). The African Elephant (Loxodonta Africana) was a threatened species. At no time did the defendant obtain permission from the United States Department of the Interior , or any other department or agency of the United States, for any of the conduct described in the preceding paragraphs.




VI. ADVISORY GUIDELINE COMPUTATION AND §3553 ADVISEMENT

58. The parties understand that the imposition of a sentence in this matter is governed by 18 U.S.C. §3553 . In determining the particular sentence to be imposed , the Court is required to consider seven factors. One of those factors is the sentencing range computed by the Court under advisory guidelines issued by the United States Sentencing Commission (the "Commission" ). However, pursuant to United States Sentencing Guideline § l Bl. 9, the Commission has determined that the advisory sentencing guidelines do not apply to cases such as this one that involve Class B misdemeanors . The parties agree that there is no restitution for the crime charged in the Information .
59. The parties understand that the Court is free, upon consideration and proper application of all 18 U.S.C. §3553 factors, to impose that reasonable sentence which it deems appropriate in the exercise of its discretion and that such sentence may be up to imprisonment for the statutory maximum term, regardless of any term of this agreement or position of any party on any 18 U.S.C. §3553 factor.




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What the hell, We prosecute and expidite criminals, mostly drug criminal, some murderers that violated crimes against the US codes all the time..

Too many weekend lawyers posting on this subject. He will probably be prosecuted, warrant issued, arrested by African police and US authorites, and extradited OR he may be proscecuted in Africa and end up in a African jail, whatever is agreed upon..but he will probably want to want to agree to expedition and take his chances in the USA, I would..Lots of negociations will determine his outcome..


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I have watched all the speculation go on about this hunt and since the full listing of the charges has been posted here feel it is time to tell what I know. Ross Jackson is a friend and has been a repeat client he is NOT THE DEVIL, I have been aware of this case since February and heard the entire story from Ross face to face. Did Ross make some questionable decisions yes but let me make these few points that USFWS seem to ignore in favor of propaganda.

1st. As hunters we all want to make a clean kill, in this case that did not happen a very large ele bull was shot on a legal hunt in the presence of a registered ZPWMA PH and on ZPWMA leased land. They DID not just take off into Gonarezhou National Park. They first returned to Nixon's camp and PHONED Gonarezhou National Park staff seeking permission to enter the park to retrieve the bull which was believed to have expired very near the boundary due to the heavy blood spore present on the Safari Area side. The former Gonarezhou National Park administrator was sent and he personal led the entire group into the park to recover the wounded animal. If you were hunting a deer lets say next to a National Wildlife Refuge here in the USA (where control hunts are a common management form) and a FEDERAL Game Warden came at your request and said sure we can go get your wounded deer would you protest?? I think not.

2nd. the bribe. USFWS was so uniformed that they could never put a precise $$ value on the so called bribe they speculated it was between $5000 and $9000 US$. What they portrayed as happening concerning this bribe is absurd, do any of you think that Ross stood around Nixon's camp casually discussing illegal activities with several PH's and other hunters present?? What happened was that after the successful retrieval of the bull tips were handed out there was no pre-negotiation about how much was to be paid and if there had been no recovery I am sure this would not have ever been prosecuted and tips would have been of no consequence. Any hunter entering the RSA that has used an expediter has paid a bribe simple fact ever try and get thru the SAP office in Joberg without one?? So to make out paying a tip or bribe as some unheard of crime shows a clear lack of how Africa operates. I will here and now state that last year I was driving my defender through the Caprivi and a Guinea fowl took my mirror which at the next check point caused me to pay a "fine" or out right bribe to be able to drive on to Katima Mulio for spares directly to a Namibian Police officer, anyone think he reported the 'FINE"?.

3rd. The accusation that another bull was shot not the one previously wounded. This may seem simple but remember the bull was wounded and when the deed was finally done he was full of bullet holes and Ross claims he was identical in size and appearance. Maybe it was a different bull but again if you were standing there and a high level ZPWMA warden and 2 PH's are telling you to pull the trigger what would you do?? From what I know of Ross Jackson he was trying to do the ethical thing and finish off a wounded animal.

4th. Ross does own a home in the RSA and ivory exported there was 100% legal if legally acquired, given the ban here and that he was paying for an "exportable" trophy what he did with his tusk are his own business not USFWS business. More overreach period.

There were some questionable decisions made but the gross over reach of USFWS is evident. If you were involved and the USFWS is threatening years of jail time and knowing they have UNLIMITED legal resources what would you plead to? If any of you think USFWS under Trump is no longer a bunch of game gestapo since their fearless leader Dan Ashe has quit you are wrong they are still a bunch of antis that have unlimited power and god help anyone caught in their sights. This is just more hype to end African trophy hunting and my fellow AR reader and posters they ARE WINNING.


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Ask any questions I will answer anything I can without defaming other individuals that were present which included SEVERAL other hunters and PH's all hunting from the same camp..


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Does Ross owning a home in RSA mean he is a RSA resident? Somehow I doubt it. This whole episode REEKS of criminality. Tough shit if you don’t like my opinion but all the facts in evidence indicate your friend is a crook.


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I have watched all the speculation go on about this hunt and since the full listing of the charges has been posted here feel it is time to tell what I know. Ross Jackson is a friend and has been a repeat client he is NOT THE DEVIL, I have been aware of this case since February and heard the entire story from Ross face to face. Did Ross make some questionable decisions yes but let me make these few points that USFWS seem to ignore in favor of propaganda.

1st. As hunters we all want to make a clean kill, in this case that did not happen a very large ele bull was shot on a legal hunt in the presence of a registered ZPWMA PH and on ZPWMA leased land. They DID not just take off into Gonarezhou National Park. They first returned to Nixon's camp and PHONED Gonarezhou National Park staff seeking permission to enter the park to retrieve the bull which was believed to have expired very near the boundary due to the heavy blood spore present on the Safari Area side. The former Gonarezhou National Park administrator was sent and he personal led the entire group into the park to recover the wounded animal. If you were hunting a deer lets say next to a National Wildlife Refuge here in the USA (where control hunts are a common management form) and a FEDERAL Game Warden came at your request and said sure we can go get your wounded deer would you protest?? I think not.

2nd. the bribe. USFWS was so uniformed that they could never put a precise $$ value on the so called bribe they speculated it was between $5000 and $9000 US$. What they portrayed as happening concerning this bribe is absurd, do any of you think that Ross stood around Nixon's camp casually discussing illegal activities with several PH's and other hunters present?? What happened was that after the successful retrieval of the bull tips were handed out there was no pre-negotiation about how much was to be paid and if there had been no recovery I am sure this would not have ever been prosecuted and tips would have been of no consequence. Any hunter entering the RSA that has used an expediter has paid a bribe simple fact ever try and get thru the SAP office in Joberg without one?? So to make out paying a tip or bribe as some unheard of crime shows a clear lack of how Africa operates. I will here and now state that last year I was driving my defender through the Caprivi and a Guinea fowl took my mirror which at the next check point caused me to pay a "fine" or out right bribe to be able to drive on to Katima Mulio for spares directly to a Namibian Police officer, anyone think he reported the 'FINE"?.

3rd. The accusation that another bull was shot not the one previously wounded. This may seem simple but remember the bull was wounded and when the deed was finally done he was full of bullet holes and Ross claims he was identical in size and appearance. Maybe it was a different bull but again if you were standing there and a high level ZPWMA warden and 2 PH's are telling you to pull the trigger what would you do?? From what I know of Ross Jackson he was trying to do the ethical thing and finish off a wounded animal.

4th. Ross does own a home in the RSA and ivory exported there was 100% legal if legally acquired, given the ban here and that he was paying for an "exportable" trophy what he did with his tusk are his own business not USFWS business. More overreach period.

There were some questionable decisions made but the gross over reach of USFWS is evident. If you were involved and the USFWS is threatening years of jail time and knowing they have UNLIMITED legal resources what would you plead to? If any of you think USFWS under Trump is no longer a bunch of game gestapo since their fearless leader Dan Ashe has quit you are wrong they are still a bunch of antis that have unlimited power and god help anyone caught in their sights. This is just more hype to end African trophy hunting and my fellow AR reader and posters they ARE WINNING.


As a rule, I always question anything the USFWS does.

I do not trust those idiots one little bit.

They have their own agenda, and bending the truth - or completely ignoring it, is not past them.

But, could you tell me how many elephants shot and wounded by Nixon's company ended up dead inside the park?

I have heard there have been more than just this one.


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It's been better then 8 years since I have practiced in Federal Court. But one thing I do remember is the Defendant has to debrief the government, for some downward departure points. Lie and you are screwed. The plea agreement is what he debriefed too. That's what he said is the truth. Looks a little bit different as to what's been posted is the "real story." The real story is in the plea agreement, and if he changes his story he is subject to the balance of the charges.

>>>>4th. Ross does own a home in the RSA and ivory exported there was 100% legal if legally acquired, given the ban here and that he was paying for an "exportable" trophy what he did with his tusk are his own business not USFWS business. More overreach period.<<<<<

If he is a USA citizen or Resident Alien, that's just plain wrong, it is the USFWS business. And he violated US law, period.

If he owned a home in RSA then why this:
51. On May 4, 2016, W.D.C. responded to T.M.'s email, copying JACKSON, stating , among other things, " I have spoken to my daughter who is an attorney and she has stated that a residency letter would not be possible as that has to be issued by the department of home affairs. I can have a letter notarized to say that Ross visits South Africa on a number of occasions each year and stays with my daughter when he is here, if this would help."

>>>>There were some questionable decisions made but the gross over reach of USFWS is evident. If you were involved and the USFWS is threatening years of jail time and knowing they have UNLIMITED legal resources what would you plead to? If any of you think USFWS under Trump is no longer a bunch of game gestapo since their fearless leader Dan Ashe has quit you are wrong they are still a bunch of antis that have unlimited power and god help anyone caught in their sights. This is just more hype to end African trophy hunting and my fellow AR reader and posters they ARE WINNING.<<<<<

USFWS does not charge anyone. The United State Attorneys Office does, and they decide which case are prosecuted.

Sorry, this is not some guy that stole a loaf of bread because he was hungry. His guy paid big money for a hunt and would not have had a problem had he just given away the ivory. Instead he was being greedy and tried to import the ivory into another country to sell. He no better then a thief.
 
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I think you should all stop and think about how ridiculous all of these charges are. Ross paid the price because he knew he could have the ivory in the RSA. There is a ban on IMPORTS into the USA nothing more no law states that you cannot hunt elephants in Africa as a US citizen. All of you willing to condemn Ross should remember Cecil and Walter Palmer, the dentist was 100% acquitted but still paid the price here and in his real life for doing NOTHING wrong. Of you that are calling Ross a crook do you really believe the story as explained by USFWS?? Lets look at that "story". IT seems plausible that Ross got with this RSA goof ahead of time and they decided it would be super cool to get in the South Africans truck and just go to Zim and drive around in the dark on another operators lease until they found a big bull and then shoot it?? No planning with the owner of the quota, lodging, nothing?? Also in this evil plan you are willing to apply to Ross they somehow concocted a plan to WOUND the bull so they could go hunt in the park for a better bull?? Right sure this all sound like a real situation just like Mexico is going to pay for the wall BS, BS, BS.

Now lets look at what really happened here and let first explain the details of the area and what had to happen for this hunt to take place.

Ross knew from speaking with me and many others that Gonarezhou is known for big bulls (my own father took a 60x60 with Steven Meyer there several years ago) and he found this RSA PH at SCI and they made a plan to do this hunt. Whether or not they discussed what Ross would do with the ivory after success I don't know but again Zimbabwe does not have an export ban on ivory so I see no malfeasance in sending the tusk to the RSA. When this hunt was organized there are ONLY 3 legal lessors of Safari Areas adjacent to Gonarezhou so even though NONE are ponying up in this one of these legal operators SOLD or provided QUAOTA to a Zim PH that was the actual leader of this hunt. Further Zimbabwe law states that NO vehicle other than those REGISTERED in Zimbabwe can be used as a hunting car period and they enforce this rule vigorously so the RSA PH and Ross were in the company of a registered Zim PH using that Zim PHS car and were using quota legally designated for the area they were hunting in ALL at this point legal. During the course of this hunt which again was condoned and actually run by a well know safari operator they shot a nice bull that was wounded at dusk. This bull returned into the park and what happened happened. There was NO grand evil plan to do this the plan was to go to an area that had good bulls and shoot one. Remember all of this was 100% legal until they went to the park nothing out of the ordinary. Then they CALLED Gonarezhou main office to get help with the recovery which they ALLOWED sending staff to help they did not just go into the park nilly willy whacking everything that moved. After the call was made and parks representatives came Ross was GUIDED by them (parks) into the park through a legal entrance. Ross did not want to wound this animal and he certainly didn't want it to wander around for weeks until it died no sportsperson wants an animal to suffer right??. I can rehash this again and again but put yourself in this situation before you condemn him what would you do? Would you NOT want the animal recovered? Would you tip the guys that made recovery possible? And last but most important would you pay $25K in fines if USFWS had you in their sights threatening years of jail time no matter the real story or if you were really guilty of any crime??

Ross was a board member of a couple of conservation groups, he was a big donator and good conservationist. This is about elephants, the Walt Disney affect, public opinion that thinks elephants are just nice big gentle pets and prior to CECIL NONE of this would have ever have been of notice or importance. Keep on siding with these evil anti hunting creeps in Washington allowing fellow hunters get thrown under the bus and the 10 year we may have left of legal african hunting will be cut in half. Ross is my friend and ANYONE that knows me knows I am incorruptible and brutally honest to the point of fault and if I thought that for 1 second this started as a poaching operation with evil intent I would smoke Ross myself but that is not he case here GUARANTEED.


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Now lets look at what really happened here . . .


SafariSean he maybe your friend, but really happened here is spelled out in the plea agreement - Period.

I understand folks take plea deals everyday for a many different reasons. But again, in the Federal system you have to debrief the government as to the detail of your crime if you want any downward departure. He debriefed and plead to misdemeanor, with the felonies still available for the government proceed should he breach the agreement.

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Sean, you continue to ignore the string of emails in the plea agreement. Your buddy continued for months to attempt to illegally export the tusks to SA- WHERE HE WAS NEVER A LEGAL RESIDENT! He also wanted to know how to go about selling the tusks after replicas were made. Read his own emails, you might just learn something. Also he was convicted of a Class B misdemeanor for violation of the ESA, not any Lacey Act violation. The facts of the hunt itself were never mentioned in the plea agreement. When he signed off on the deal, he agreed to all stated facts. If he was only going along to prevent further prosecution, then he committed perjury by swearing to those facts.


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Out of idle curiosity, how did this matter come to the attention of the USFWS?
 
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This question is a bit of a tangent to the current discussion but I noticed some comments that perked my interest.

In the past, when discussing the USFWS import ban on certain animals such as elephant, and lion, we had people openly advocating for US citizens to purchase a second home in places like Canada or Belize. It was openly advocated, and I do not remember a single instance of anyone raising objections for USA citizens, that this second home could serve as a place where these USA import banned items could be imported to and enjoyed in a trophy room, outside of USFWS overreach. I never heard anyone state such actions would be illegal.

So if this Ross fellow wanted to import his Zim ivory to be stored in a 2nd house he owned in RSA, is the argument now that since he is not a RSA citizen, that would be in violation of the Lacy Act? If so, why is this different from the scenario I've seen advocated as described above?

Maybe I misunderstand the entire issue with this Ross fellow. I thought the problem, other than possible illegalities with shooting within the park boundaries using a follow up as a ruse, was that he was attempting to import the ivory to RSA, and once inside RSA, was trying to import it to the USA claiming it had been originally taken in RSA, where at the time there was no ivory import restriction into the USA? Have I completely misunderstood this entire matter?
 
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This question is a bit of a tangent to the current discussion but I noticed some comments that perked my interest.

In the past, when discussing the USFWS import ban on certain animals such as elephant, and lion, we had people openly advocating for US citizens to purchase a second home in places like Canada or Belize. It was openly advocated, and I do not remember a single instance of anyone raising objections for USA citizens, that this second home could serve as a place where these USA import banned items could be imported to and enjoyed in a trophy room, outside of USFWS overreach. I never heard anyone state such actions would be illegal.

So if this Ross fellow wanted to import his Zim ivory to be stored in a 2nd house he owned in RSA, is the argument now that since he is not a RSA citizen, that would be in violation of the Lacy Act? If so, why is this different from the scenario I've seen advocated as described above?

Maybe I misunderstand the entire issue with this Ross fellow. I thought the problem, other than possible illegalities with shooting within the park boundaries using a follow up as a ruse, was that he was attempting to import the ivory to RSA, and once inside RSA, was trying to import it to the USA claiming it had been originally taken in RSA, where at the time there was no ivory import restriction into the USA? Have I completely misunderstood this entire matter?


I have had more than person tell me that they heard of elephants shot in the park on more than one occasion.

The excuse used apparently that they were wounded and followed there.

So may be what Todd mentioned might have drawn attention this time?


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he was attempting to import the ivory to RSA, and once inside RSA, was trying to import it to the USA claiming it had been originally taken in RSA, where at the time there was no ivory import restriction into the USA? Have I completely misunderstood this entire matter?


No, he was attempting to import it in the RSA where he could sell it for $300 a pound. Illegal to sell sport hunted ivory in Zimbabwe.

He wanted to import the copies that he had made into the USA.
 
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he was attempting to import the ivory to RSA, and once inside RSA, was trying to import it to the USA claiming it had been originally taken in RSA, where at the time there was no ivory import restriction into the USA? Have I completely misunderstood this entire matter?


No, he was attempting to import it in the RSA where he could sell it for $300 a pound. Illegal to sell sport hunted ivory in Zimbabwe.

He wanted to import the copies that he had made into the USA.



Ok, I suppose I'm now arguing semantics as I'm not an attorney, but working in a field where valid legal descriptions of what is transpiring, or the intent of a transaction, often hinges on a single word, I'll follow up. And I'm not trying to adversarial, I'm simply trying to get a firm handle on what is actually being charged as the violation here, again, other than the possible illegalities of shooting inside the park using follow up as a ruse.

You say it's illegal to sell sport hunted ivory IN Zimbabwe. But you are describing him attempting to sell sport hunted ivory FROM Zimbabwe, IN RSA.

It is illegal to sell ivory in RSA? I honestly don't know. And if it is legal to sell sport hunted ivory in RSA, is it ONLY legal to sell ivory sport hunted in RSA?

But really, before that question is answered, let's go back to my first question / scenario as has been discussed on AR previously as a perfectly acceptable practice. That was my main reason for entering this thread. That is, can a USA citizen, who owns a 2nd home in a foreign country that does not have an import ban on elephant trophies, import his legally sport hunted ivory into that country were he can store it in that 2nd home. If the answer to that is no, there are some threads here on AR that should be revisited and the remainder of this question becomes moot.
 
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I am having a hard time following the exact violation he pled guilty to as well.

As I understand it the violation was shooting an ele in a park. I can see this as a violation of the Lacey Act...but it is a reach for me under the ESA...which was the statute quoted in the plea agreement.

Since ele can be shot legally outside of a park in Zim...it seems the only potential law violated was hunting in a park. That would be a violation of the Lacey Act...can someone explain how that violates the ESA?


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It was a violation of the ESA's regulations to deliver, receive, carry, transport or ship in foreign commerce , by any means whatsoever, and in the course of a commercial activity, any threatened wildlife. See 50 C.F.R. § 17.31 (applying provisions of 50 C.F.R. § 17.21). However , the regulations at M C.F.R. §17.40 contain a special rule for the African Eleph (Loxodonta Africana).

The special regulations for the African Elephant made it unlawful to deliver, receive, carry, transport or ship in interstate or foreign commerce and in the course of a so commercial activity any sport-hunted African Elephant (Loxodonta Africana) trophy. C.F. § 17.40(e)(6)(ii). Furthermore , only trophies taken legally in an African elephant range country qualified as sport-hunted . Pr C.F.R. § 17.40(e)(6)(i)(A).


He put the tusks into commerce when he tried to ship them to RSA.

The charges related to violations of the Lacey Act, 16 U.S.C. § 3372(a)(2)(A), wire fraud, 18 U.S.C. § 1343, and conspiracy to violate those offenses, 18 U.S.C. §§ 371 and 1349 are still available for the government to charge and try the defendant on, if he violates his plea agreement.
 
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It is illegal to sell ivory in RSA? I honestly don't know. And if it is legal to sell sport hunted ivory in RSA, is it ONLY legal to sell ivory sport hunted in RSA?

But really, before that question is answered, let's go back to my first question / scenario as has been discussed on AR previously as a perfectly acceptable practice. That was my main reason for entering this thread. That is, can a USA citizen, who owns a 2nd home in a foreign country that does not have an import ban on elephant trophies, import his legally sport hunted ivory into that country were he can store it in that 2nd home. If the answer to that is no, there are some threads here on AR that should be revisited and the remainder of this question becomes moot.


I am not a RSA lawyer so I can't answer that, but it appears that you can or otherwise he would not have been importing them into RSA for sale. Your second point I don't know or have any educated guess.

Your third question (first question), the answer is no you can't with violating USA law. See post above this one.
 
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I am having a hard time following the exact violation he pled guilty to as well.

As I understand it the violation was shooting an ele in a park. I can see this as a violation of the Lacey Act...but it is a reach for me under the ESA...which was the statute quoted in the plea agreement.

Since ele can be shot legally outside of a park in Zim...it seems the only potential law violated was hunting in a park. That would be a violation of the Lacey Act...can someone explain how that violates the ESA?


Read the guilty pleading. It lays out what he is guilty off. He has not pleaded guilty to Lacey act violations but he could still be subject to additional Lacey act violations.

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Mike you are correct he could be further prosecuted by USFWS ad as other have noted he pled and MUST maintain the story told, a judge asked him if the plea was true and he stated yes so Ross cannot post a defense he is simply guilty at this time.

I am defending Ross because there was no evil intent or premeditated crime in any of this. It WAS a legal hunt, ZPWMA MANAGEMENT at the park allowed entrance through a public gate for recovery of the bull wounded in a legal hunting area, the owner/Zim PH operator of the trophy bull quota signed off on the hunt as legitimate and it was presented to parks for legal export.

Had there been any worry by Ross of the legality of the exportable trophy tusk why wouldn't the RSA citizen supposedly illegally guiding the hunt just have had the Zim operator on site pull a license in his name and ship the tusks to his home after all he reportedly help in the downing of the wounded animal?

There are so many holes in this deal it just can't float but the reality is that a $25,000 fine done and over move on VS. possible PRISON time, years of legal fees totaling hundreds and hundreds of thousands of dollars defending yourself against a corrupt biased government agency with UNLIMITED resources was the only reasonable action Ross could take.

YOU can bet ROSS JACKSON will be the only individual ever convicted in this in ANY country and probably the only one ever charged with a crime by his own country. Surely no one here with any knowledge of Africa thinks the RSA will extradite the PH to the USA or that ZPWMA will go after its own parks staff NO WAY!!

Ross is a victim of the current USFWS admin trying everything in their power to make African hunting look cheap, trite and fraudulent with the USFWS hope that the more of these type high profile bogus arrest and media debacles they can mount the further they get toward the ultimate goal of ENDING ALL African hunting..


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But really, before that question is answered, let's go back to my first question / scenario as has been discussed on AR previously as a perfectly acceptable practice. That was my main reason for entering this thread. That is, can a USA citizen, who owns a 2nd home in a foreign country that does not have an import ban on elephant trophies, import his legally sport hunted ivory into that country were he can store it in that 2nd home. If the answer to that is no, there are some threads here on AR that should be revisited and the remainder of this question becomes moot.


IF...everything else about the taking of the animal is on the up and up -- i.e. no laws broken -- then the above is quite possible. In that scenario, the USFWS has no legal authority to intervene. It's no different than if someone legally kills a polar bear up north and leaves it in Canada.


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Safarisean, you and I are never going to agree on this, but the facts are the facts.

Fact #1, the Judge asked him if he "was pleading guilty, because he was guilty and for no other reason."

Fact #2 no evil intent or premeditated crime. That's not an element of the crime for the government to prove. The act that he put the Ivory in the stream of Commerce, is all that matters. Perhaps you could tell us what his intent was in selling 116.5 pounds of Ivory @ $300USD per pound, for $34,950 in RSA?

Fact #3, Zero holes in this deal. He debriefed the government, and plead to a class B offense. Reading the plea agreement, the government should have zero problems proving the Felony charges should he breach the agreement.

Fact #4, Don't bet on Africa not cleaning up its mess. The Zimbabwe wants to sell hunts, they need the revenue.

Fact #5, Ross is not a victim, he is a petty criminal.
 
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But really, before that question is answered, let's go back to my first question / scenario as has been discussed on AR previously as a perfectly acceptable practice. That was my main reason for entering this thread. That is, can a USA citizen, who owns a 2nd home in a foreign country that does not have an import ban on elephant trophies, import his legally sport hunted ivory into that country were he can store it in that 2nd home. If the answer to that is no, there are some threads here on AR that should be revisited and the remainder of this question becomes moot.


IF...everything else about the taking of the animal is on the up and up -- i.e. no laws broken -- then the above is quite possible. In that scenario, the USFWS has no legal authority to intervene. It's no different than if someone legally kills a polar bear up north and leaves it at his summer home in Canada.


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But really, before that question is answered, let's go back to my first question / scenario as has been discussed on AR previously as a perfectly acceptable practice. That was my main reason for entering this thread. That is, can a USA citizen, who owns a 2nd home in a foreign country that does not have an import ban on elephant trophies, import his legally sport hunted ivory into that country were he can store it in that 2nd home. If the answer to that is no, there are some threads here on AR that should be revisited and the remainder of this question becomes moot.


IF...everything else about the taking of the animal is on the up and up -- i.e. no laws broken -- then the above is quite possible. In that scenario, the USFWS has no legal authority to intervene. It's no different than if someone legally kills a polar bear up north and leaves it at his summer home in Canada.


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IF...everything else about the taking of the animal is on the up and up -- i.e. no laws broken -- then the above is quite possible. In that scenario, the USFWS has no legal authority to intervene. It's no different than if someone legally kills a polar bear up north and leaves it at his summer home in Canada.


No it's not, and yes the USFWS does have legal authority to intervene over a US citizen.

It was a violation of the ESA's regulations to deliver, receive, carry, transport or ship in foreign commerce , by any means whatsoever, and in the course of a commercial activity, any threatened wildlife. See 50 C.F.R. § 17.31 (applying provisions of 50 C.F.R. § 17.21). However , the regulations at M C.F.R. §17.40 contain a special rule for the African Eleph (Loxodonta Africana).

The special regulations for the African Elephant made it unlawful to deliver, receive, carry, transport or ship in interstate or foreign commerce and in the course of a so commercial activity any sport-hunted African Elephant (Loxodonta Africana) trophy. C.F. § 17.40(e)(6)(ii). Furthermore , only trophies taken legally in an African elephant range country qualified as sport-hunted . Pr C.F.R. § 17.40(e)(6)(i)(A).
 
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IF...everything else about the taking of the animal is on the up and up -- i.e. no laws broken -- then the above is quite possible. In that scenario, the USFWS has no legal authority to intervene. It's no different than if someone legally kills a polar bear up north and leaves it at his summer home in Canada.


No it's not, and yes the USFWS does have legal authority to intervene over a US citizen.

It was a violation of the ESA's regulations to deliver, receive, carry, transport or ship in foreign commerce , by any means whatsoever, and in the course of a commercial activity, any threatened wildlife. See 50 C.F.R. § 17.31 (applying provisions of 50 C.F.R. § 17.21). However , the regulations at M C.F.R. §17.40 contain a special rule for the African Eleph (Loxodonta Africana).

The special regulations for the African Elephant made it unlawful to deliver, receive, carry, transport or ship in interstate or foreign commerce and in the course of a so commercial activity any sport-hunted African Elephant (Loxodonta Africana) trophy. C.F. § 17.40(e)(6)(ii). Furthermore , only trophies taken legally in an African elephant range country qualified as sport-hunted . Pr C.F.R. § 17.40(e)(6)(i)(A).


There would be no commerce or commercial activity involved in the scenario Todd asked about.


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IF...everything else about the taking of the animal is on the up and up -- i.e. no laws broken -- then the above is quite possible. In that scenario, the USFWS has no legal authority to intervene. It's no different than if someone legally kills a polar bear up north and leaves it at his summer home in Canada.


No it's not, and yes the USFWS does have legal authority to intervene over a US citizen.

It was a violation of the ESA's regulations to deliver, receive, carry, transport or ship in foreign commerce , by any means whatsoever, and in the course of a commercial activity, any threatened wildlife. See 50 C.F.R. § 17.31 (applying provisions of 50 C.F.R. § 17.21). However , the regulations at M C.F.R. §17.40 contain a special rule for the African Eleph (Loxodonta Africana).

The special regulations for the African Elephant made it unlawful to deliver, receive, carry, transport or ship in interstate or foreign commerce and in the course of a so commercial activity any sport-hunted African Elephant (Loxodonta Africana) trophy. C.F. § 17.40(e)(6)(ii). Furthermore , only trophies taken legally in an African elephant range country qualified as sport-hunted . Pr C.F.R. § 17.40(e)(6)(i)(A).


There would be no commerce or commercial activity involved in the scenario Todd asked about.


Sir, no disrespect but how is he going to get the 'trophy" from one point to another? Please read the ESA regulation. . . deliver, receive, carry, transport or ship in foreign commerce, by any means whatsoever, and in the course of a commercial activity, any threatened wildlife.
 
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IF...everything else about the taking of the animal is on the up and up -- i.e. no laws broken -- then the above is quite possible. In that scenario, the USFWS has no legal authority to intervene. It's no different than if someone legally kills a polar bear up north and leaves it at his summer home in Canada.


No it's not, and yes the USFWS does have legal authority to intervene over a US citizen.

It was a violation of the ESA's regulations to deliver, receive, carry, transport or ship in foreign commerce , by any means whatsoever, and in the course of a commercial activity, any threatened wildlife. See 50 C.F.R. § 17.31 (applying provisions of 50 C.F.R. § 17.21). However , the regulations at M C.F.R. §17.40 contain a special rule for the African Eleph (Loxodonta Africana).

The special regulations for the African Elephant made it unlawful to deliver, receive, carry, transport or ship in interstate or foreign commerce and in the course of a so commercial activity any sport-hunted African Elephant (Loxodonta Africana) trophy. C.F. § 17.40(e)(6)(ii). Furthermore , only trophies taken legally in an African elephant range country qualified as sport-hunted . Pr C.F.R. § 17.40(e)(6)(i)(A).


There would be no commerce or commercial activity involved in the scenario Todd asked about.


Sir, no disrespect but how is he going to get the 'trophy" from one point to another? Please read the ESA regulation. . . deliver, receive, carry, transport or ship in foreign commerce, by any means whatsoever, and in the course of a commercial activity, any threatened wildlife.


If that is the case, then how are any elephant, lion, leopard, etc. trophies shipped and imported into the USA? I understand there is currently a ban on lion imports, but until recently, the elephant ban was only Tanz and Zim as it was still legal to import from Bots (although shut down there), Namibia, and RSA. And there is no ban on leopard as long as the proper CITES permits are in order. The way you are describing it, any transport of any legally hunted "threatened" animal, even with proper import and export CITES permits, becomes a violation of ESA law upon delivering them to the transport company. For that matter, you're saying if you legally hunt an elephant in Zim, then, as part of the hunting party, transport it from the field back to camp, you've transported or carried a threatened animal in foreign commerce and violated the ESA.
Sorry but I'm not buying it.
 
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I’m always amazed and disappointed when people come here to defend and justify poaching. I’m also guessing the poacher wishes his “friend” would shut the hell up and stop making his situation worse.


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The question was can you as a US citizen ship your trophy to a third country, while waiting out a ban. Lion and Elephant are ESA species and require a permit from USFWS to ship to the USA, if you can get one. The answer is no.

Transporting back to camp, is not foreign commerce. Transporting it back to camp in another country is.
 
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The question was can you as a US citizen ship your trophy to a third country, while waiting out a ban. Lion and Elephant are ESA species and require a permit from USFWS to ship to the USA, if you can get one. The answer is no.

Transporting back to camp, is not foreign commerce. Transporting it back to camp in another country is.


Once again, specific words have specific legal meanings here and I'm not trying to give offense, but you don't seem to do a very good job defining the EXACT parameters.

You state "Lion and Elephant are ESA species and require a permit from USFWS to ship to the USA,, if you can get one".

That is NOT the question. The question is can lion and elephant be shipped to a DIFFERENT country (in this case RSA) other than the USA by a USA resident if that USA resident happens to have a 2nd home in that DIFFERENT country( in this case RSA)? If the animal is NOT being shipped to the USA, why does a permit from the USA need to be obtained as long as proper CITES permits are in order?

Reading the plea, it appears Zimbabwe denied CITES permits to a country other than the hunter's official origin. In other words, they made the decision not to issue an Export Permit for RSA since the hunter couldn't prove residence there, even if he had a 2nd home, which I cannot see anywhere in the plea as being the case. It appears he simply stayed with a family member from time to time rather than actually owning a 2nd home there. It appears to me that once the Zim government decided not to issue a CITES Export permit to RSA, he should have dropped the matter instead of trying to con them into believing he had some level of RSA residency. If he attempted to circumvent the Zim government's decision on this matter by falsifying any level of RSA residency, and going forward with attempting to import the ivory to RSA, then I can see the violation.

But if he really did have a 2nd home in say Canada, and can legitimately prove ownership of that 2nd home as his own, not just that he stays with a family member when visiting, and the Zim government issues the Export Permit based on a legitimate ownership of that 2nd home, I don't see the violation of USA law.

So there has to be more to this regulation than is being presented here. Did your example not specifically state, "It was a violation of the ESA's regulations to deliver, receive, carry, transport or ship in foreign commerce , by any means whatsoever , and in the course of a commercial activity , any threatened wildlife"?

IF that is truly the case, how is transporting it from the field to camp NOT transport or "carrying" in foreign commerce "by any means whatsoever"?

How is it that the outfitter, who is engaged in taking a foreign hunter afield for the purposes of hunting a threatened species in exchange for being paid, NOT engaged in foreign commerce?

And again, if the example you gave, is truly the case, taking elephant and lion out of the equation for now due to the current bans, how is transporting a legally sport hunted leopard with the proper CITES permits, NOT in violation of the ESA when it is imported (transported by foreign commercial carrier) to the USA?

To claim there are no holes in this case is not an accurate statement.
 
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The question was can you as a US citizen ship your trophy to a third country, while waiting out a ban. Lion and Elephant are ESA species and require a permit from USFWS to ship to the USA, if you can get one. The answer is no.

Transporting back to camp, is not foreign commerce. Transporting it back to camp in another country is.


And just one more comment to put a fine point on it. The question is NOT can a US Citizen ship to a third country while waiting out a ban. I assume this comment means "waiting out a ban" so that it can be later imported to the USA.

That IS NOT the question. The question is can a USA citizen who legally and legitimately owns a 2nd home in a third country, ship his legally hunted lion or elephant trophy, with legitimate CITES import / export permits for that third country, to that specific third country as a FINAL destination to be enjoyed in his trophy room of his legitimately owned 2nd home in said country, with never the intent of attempting to later import it to the USA.
 
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The question was can you as a US citizen ship your trophy to a third country, while waiting out a ban. Lion and Elephant are ESA species and require a permit from USFWS to ship to the USA, if you can get one. The answer is no.

Transporting back to camp, is not foreign commerce. Transporting it back to camp in another country is.


And just one more comment to put a fine point on it. The question is NOT can a US Citizen ship to a third country while waiting out a ban. I assume this comment means "waiting out a ban" so that it can be later imported to the USA.

That IS NOT the question. The question is can a USA citizen who legally and legitimately owns a 2nd home in a third country, ship his legally hunted lion or elephant trophy, with legitimate CITES import / export permits for that third country, to that specific third country as a FINAL destination to be enjoyed in his trophy room of his legitimately owned 2nd home in said country, with never the intent of attempting to later import it to the USA.


Only if he has dual citizenship in that country.


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One AR member stated that he bet Ross would appreciate it if I shut up and quit defending him. SO FYI this incident was reported in EVERY main stream news outlet in Colorado including the local Denver evening news and the plea was circulated to every anti hunting hate group on the planet so I don't think that a few hundred AR members arguing about this is going to have much impact while Ross is facing daily death threats, protestors in his front yard etc.. I however have to start getting ready for my 2 month stint in Namibia and Zim starting in less than 2 weeks so this is my final post on this matter.

When a hunter pays to be guided on a hunt he is at the operators mercy and expects to be guided within the law.

Ross Jackson PAID to have the services of not one but 2 professional hunters, one a Zim PH the other a PH from the RSA. The hunt was 100% legal and if having a South African PH in attendance made it illegal then MANY American hunters are headed to COURT or JAIL including current AR Members. IT is COMMON to have a South African bring their clients to Zim and work with Zim pros during the course of the hunt.

After wounding the animal the ZIM operator conducting this hunt and the legal possessor of the prepaid quota contacted a Zimbabwe Parks and Wildlife Authority Main Office in Gonarezhou and was not only allowed to enter the park the ZPWMA officials provided parks employees as GUIDES to assist in the recovery of the wounded animal.

What happened after concerning where the tusk were to be sent is really just a legal argument that USFWS used to attack a hunter doing something they (USFWS) want stopped. ANY reader here that thinks an American was in charge of this party has NOT hunted Africa, the PH is god on a hunt and the client must follow the PH's instructions and recommendations period.

USFWS burocrats know what message they are sending and that message is that they want ALL African hunting stopped and what better way to start that without legislation is to call into doubt the PH and make hunters second guess what they are told which by the way could be easily fatal in the field. All of the email and actoins after the hunt were in reaction to the degrading situation and were an attempt to stay out of trouble JUST like the plea. As I stated in the first of my post Ross Jackson is not the devil and this is a political maneuver by a bunch of very biased government employees with a hidden agenda. I wish I could say this was the beginning of the end of African hunting for Americans but we are already well down that road so hunt now while you can the door is closing quickly..........................


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Where did the second elephant theory come from?

Nixon is notorious for losing elephants in the park.

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I thought the commerce part was his desire to sell the tusks as alleged in the indictment.

That he pled to the ESA charge indicates that he was willing to sign off that it was his plan, IMO.

That to me says poaching. Maybe he did a legit hunt...that he wasn’t convicted of violating. I would not be surprised if the guy would have kept the tusks if he could take them home, but it sure sounds to me as he doesn’t have a RSA residence (the business about getting an affidavit from his sister about staying with her) so that doesn’t hold water.

Sure, this whole thing could be overreach by the feds, but there is enough there that the guy hung himself and he agreed to the plea, so he’s a self admitted elephant poacher.

Yes, his life has been turned upside down, and probably more by the desire of the US attorney to crack down on the hunting viewed as commerce than anything else... but if he hadn’t made some statements that got recorded about selling his ivory, he would probably not be in this situation.

Just my reading of this stuff.
 
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