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I think SCI is a typo, I think its SSI, as that's what is throughout the rest of the document. | |||
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No, “we” don’t deserve this. The hunter obviously knew he was trying to get around things...$25 k and an agreement not to hunt for 4 years? The hunter, and the PH sound like common poachers. I wish they would face the music in Zimbabwe rather than in US court...where it rightly belongs. And I bet 2 months in a Zim jail is harder time than 5 years in a US one. | |||
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They are poachers. Mike | |||
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This should be read closely. Mike
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My mistake it's SSI at SCI. | |||
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What the hell, We prosecute and expidite criminals, mostly drug criminal, some murderers that violated crimes against the US codes all the time.. Too many weekend lawyers posting on this subject. He will probably be prosecuted, warrant issued, arrested by African police and US authorites, and extradited OR he may be proscecuted in Africa and end up in a African jail, whatever is agreed upon..but he will probably want to want to agree to expedition and take his chances in the USA, I would..Lots of negociations will determine his outcome.. Ray Atkinson Atkinson Hunting Adventures 10 Ward Lane, Filer, Idaho, 83328 208-731-4120 rayatkinsonhunting@gmail.com | |||
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I have watched all the speculation go on about this hunt and since the full listing of the charges has been posted here feel it is time to tell what I know. Ross Jackson is a friend and has been a repeat client he is NOT THE DEVIL, I have been aware of this case since February and heard the entire story from Ross face to face. Did Ross make some questionable decisions yes but let me make these few points that USFWS seem to ignore in favor of propaganda. 1st. As hunters we all want to make a clean kill, in this case that did not happen a very large ele bull was shot on a legal hunt in the presence of a registered ZPWMA PH and on ZPWMA leased land. They DID not just take off into Gonarezhou National Park. They first returned to Nixon's camp and PHONED Gonarezhou National Park staff seeking permission to enter the park to retrieve the bull which was believed to have expired very near the boundary due to the heavy blood spore present on the Safari Area side. The former Gonarezhou National Park administrator was sent and he personal led the entire group into the park to recover the wounded animal. If you were hunting a deer lets say next to a National Wildlife Refuge here in the USA (where control hunts are a common management form) and a FEDERAL Game Warden came at your request and said sure we can go get your wounded deer would you protest?? I think not. 2nd. the bribe. USFWS was so uniformed that they could never put a precise $$ value on the so called bribe they speculated it was between $5000 and $9000 US$. What they portrayed as happening concerning this bribe is absurd, do any of you think that Ross stood around Nixon's camp casually discussing illegal activities with several PH's and other hunters present?? What happened was that after the successful retrieval of the bull tips were handed out there was no pre-negotiation about how much was to be paid and if there had been no recovery I am sure this would not have ever been prosecuted and tips would have been of no consequence. Any hunter entering the RSA that has used an expediter has paid a bribe simple fact ever try and get thru the SAP office in Joberg without one?? So to make out paying a tip or bribe as some unheard of crime shows a clear lack of how Africa operates. I will here and now state that last year I was driving my defender through the Caprivi and a Guinea fowl took my mirror which at the next check point caused me to pay a "fine" or out right bribe to be able to drive on to Katima Mulio for spares directly to a Namibian Police officer, anyone think he reported the 'FINE"?. 3rd. The accusation that another bull was shot not the one previously wounded. This may seem simple but remember the bull was wounded and when the deed was finally done he was full of bullet holes and Ross claims he was identical in size and appearance. Maybe it was a different bull but again if you were standing there and a high level ZPWMA warden and 2 PH's are telling you to pull the trigger what would you do?? From what I know of Ross Jackson he was trying to do the ethical thing and finish off a wounded animal. 4th. Ross does own a home in the RSA and ivory exported there was 100% legal if legally acquired, given the ban here and that he was paying for an "exportable" trophy what he did with his tusk are his own business not USFWS business. More overreach period. There were some questionable decisions made but the gross over reach of USFWS is evident. If you were involved and the USFWS is threatening years of jail time and knowing they have UNLIMITED legal resources what would you plead to? If any of you think USFWS under Trump is no longer a bunch of game gestapo since their fearless leader Dan Ashe has quit you are wrong they are still a bunch of antis that have unlimited power and god help anyone caught in their sights. This is just more hype to end African trophy hunting and my fellow AR reader and posters they ARE WINNING. SAFARISEAN | |||
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Ask any questions I will answer anything I can without defaming other individuals that were present which included SEVERAL other hunters and PH's all hunting from the same camp.. SAFARISEAN | |||
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Does Ross owning a home in RSA mean he is a RSA resident? Somehow I doubt it. This whole episode REEKS of criminality. Tough shit if you don’t like my opinion but all the facts in evidence indicate your friend is a crook. Vote Trump- Putin’s best friend… To quote a former AND CURRENT Trumpiteer - DUMP TRUMP | |||
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As a rule, I always question anything the USFWS does. I do not trust those idiots one little bit. They have their own agenda, and bending the truth - or completely ignoring it, is not past them. But, could you tell me how many elephants shot and wounded by Nixon's company ended up dead inside the park? I have heard there have been more than just this one. | |||
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It's been better then 8 years since I have practiced in Federal Court. But one thing I do remember is the Defendant has to debrief the government, for some downward departure points. Lie and you are screwed. The plea agreement is what he debriefed too. That's what he said is the truth. Looks a little bit different as to what's been posted is the "real story." The real story is in the plea agreement, and if he changes his story he is subject to the balance of the charges. >>>>4th. Ross does own a home in the RSA and ivory exported there was 100% legal if legally acquired, given the ban here and that he was paying for an "exportable" trophy what he did with his tusk are his own business not USFWS business. More overreach period.<<<<< If he is a USA citizen or Resident Alien, that's just plain wrong, it is the USFWS business. And he violated US law, period. If he owned a home in RSA then why this: 51. On May 4, 2016, W.D.C. responded to T.M.'s email, copying JACKSON, stating , among other things, " I have spoken to my daughter who is an attorney and she has stated that a residency letter would not be possible as that has to be issued by the department of home affairs. I can have a letter notarized to say that Ross visits South Africa on a number of occasions each year and stays with my daughter when he is here, if this would help." >>>>There were some questionable decisions made but the gross over reach of USFWS is evident. If you were involved and the USFWS is threatening years of jail time and knowing they have UNLIMITED legal resources what would you plead to? If any of you think USFWS under Trump is no longer a bunch of game gestapo since their fearless leader Dan Ashe has quit you are wrong they are still a bunch of antis that have unlimited power and god help anyone caught in their sights. This is just more hype to end African trophy hunting and my fellow AR reader and posters they ARE WINNING.<<<<< USFWS does not charge anyone. The United State Attorneys Office does, and they decide which case are prosecuted. Sorry, this is not some guy that stole a loaf of bread because he was hungry. His guy paid big money for a hunt and would not have had a problem had he just given away the ivory. Instead he was being greedy and tried to import the ivory into another country to sell. He no better then a thief. | |||
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I think you should all stop and think about how ridiculous all of these charges are. Ross paid the price because he knew he could have the ivory in the RSA. There is a ban on IMPORTS into the USA nothing more no law states that you cannot hunt elephants in Africa as a US citizen. All of you willing to condemn Ross should remember Cecil and Walter Palmer, the dentist was 100% acquitted but still paid the price here and in his real life for doing NOTHING wrong. Of you that are calling Ross a crook do you really believe the story as explained by USFWS?? Lets look at that "story". IT seems plausible that Ross got with this RSA goof ahead of time and they decided it would be super cool to get in the South Africans truck and just go to Zim and drive around in the dark on another operators lease until they found a big bull and then shoot it?? No planning with the owner of the quota, lodging, nothing?? Also in this evil plan you are willing to apply to Ross they somehow concocted a plan to WOUND the bull so they could go hunt in the park for a better bull?? Right sure this all sound like a real situation just like Mexico is going to pay for the wall BS, BS, BS. Now lets look at what really happened here and let first explain the details of the area and what had to happen for this hunt to take place. Ross knew from speaking with me and many others that Gonarezhou is known for big bulls (my own father took a 60x60 with Steven Meyer there several years ago) and he found this RSA PH at SCI and they made a plan to do this hunt. Whether or not they discussed what Ross would do with the ivory after success I don't know but again Zimbabwe does not have an export ban on ivory so I see no malfeasance in sending the tusk to the RSA. When this hunt was organized there are ONLY 3 legal lessors of Safari Areas adjacent to Gonarezhou so even though NONE are ponying up in this one of these legal operators SOLD or provided QUAOTA to a Zim PH that was the actual leader of this hunt. Further Zimbabwe law states that NO vehicle other than those REGISTERED in Zimbabwe can be used as a hunting car period and they enforce this rule vigorously so the RSA PH and Ross were in the company of a registered Zim PH using that Zim PHS car and were using quota legally designated for the area they were hunting in ALL at this point legal. During the course of this hunt which again was condoned and actually run by a well know safari operator they shot a nice bull that was wounded at dusk. This bull returned into the park and what happened happened. There was NO grand evil plan to do this the plan was to go to an area that had good bulls and shoot one. Remember all of this was 100% legal until they went to the park nothing out of the ordinary. Then they CALLED Gonarezhou main office to get help with the recovery which they ALLOWED sending staff to help they did not just go into the park nilly willy whacking everything that moved. After the call was made and parks representatives came Ross was GUIDED by them (parks) into the park through a legal entrance. Ross did not want to wound this animal and he certainly didn't want it to wander around for weeks until it died no sportsperson wants an animal to suffer right??. I can rehash this again and again but put yourself in this situation before you condemn him what would you do? Would you NOT want the animal recovered? Would you tip the guys that made recovery possible? And last but most important would you pay $25K in fines if USFWS had you in their sights threatening years of jail time no matter the real story or if you were really guilty of any crime?? Ross was a board member of a couple of conservation groups, he was a big donator and good conservationist. This is about elephants, the Walt Disney affect, public opinion that thinks elephants are just nice big gentle pets and prior to CECIL NONE of this would have ever have been of notice or importance. Keep on siding with these evil anti hunting creeps in Washington allowing fellow hunters get thrown under the bus and the 10 year we may have left of legal african hunting will be cut in half. Ross is my friend and ANYONE that knows me knows I am incorruptible and brutally honest to the point of fault and if I thought that for 1 second this started as a poaching operation with evil intent I would smoke Ross myself but that is not he case here GUARANTEED. SAFARISEAN | |||
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SafariSean he maybe your friend, but really happened here is spelled out in the plea agreement - Period. I understand folks take plea deals everyday for a many different reasons. But again, in the Federal system you have to debrief the government as to the detail of your crime if you want any downward departure. He debriefed and plead to misdemeanor, with the felonies still available for the government proceed should he breach the agreement. The Judge will ask, "are you pleading Guilty, because you are Guilty and for no other reason?" IF the answer is yes, plea goes, if no Judge rejects the deal and off to trial you go. | |||
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Sean, you continue to ignore the string of emails in the plea agreement. Your buddy continued for months to attempt to illegally export the tusks to SA- WHERE HE WAS NEVER A LEGAL RESIDENT! He also wanted to know how to go about selling the tusks after replicas were made. Read his own emails, you might just learn something. Also he was convicted of a Class B misdemeanor for violation of the ESA, not any Lacey Act violation. The facts of the hunt itself were never mentioned in the plea agreement. When he signed off on the deal, he agreed to all stated facts. If he was only going along to prevent further prosecution, then he committed perjury by swearing to those facts. Vote Trump- Putin’s best friend… To quote a former AND CURRENT Trumpiteer - DUMP TRUMP | |||
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Out of idle curiosity, how did this matter come to the attention of the USFWS? | |||
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This question is a bit of a tangent to the current discussion but I noticed some comments that perked my interest. In the past, when discussing the USFWS import ban on certain animals such as elephant, and lion, we had people openly advocating for US citizens to purchase a second home in places like Canada or Belize. It was openly advocated, and I do not remember a single instance of anyone raising objections for USA citizens, that this second home could serve as a place where these USA import banned items could be imported to and enjoyed in a trophy room, outside of USFWS overreach. I never heard anyone state such actions would be illegal. So if this Ross fellow wanted to import his Zim ivory to be stored in a 2nd house he owned in RSA, is the argument now that since he is not a RSA citizen, that would be in violation of the Lacy Act? If so, why is this different from the scenario I've seen advocated as described above? Maybe I misunderstand the entire issue with this Ross fellow. I thought the problem, other than possible illegalities with shooting within the park boundaries using a follow up as a ruse, was that he was attempting to import the ivory to RSA, and once inside RSA, was trying to import it to the USA claiming it had been originally taken in RSA, where at the time there was no ivory import restriction into the USA? Have I completely misunderstood this entire matter? | |||
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I have had more than person tell me that they heard of elephants shot in the park on more than one occasion. The excuse used apparently that they were wounded and followed there. So may be what Todd mentioned might have drawn attention this time? | |||
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No, he was attempting to import it in the RSA where he could sell it for $300 a pound. Illegal to sell sport hunted ivory in Zimbabwe. He wanted to import the copies that he had made into the USA. | |||
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Ok, I suppose I'm now arguing semantics as I'm not an attorney, but working in a field where valid legal descriptions of what is transpiring, or the intent of a transaction, often hinges on a single word, I'll follow up. And I'm not trying to adversarial, I'm simply trying to get a firm handle on what is actually being charged as the violation here, again, other than the possible illegalities of shooting inside the park using follow up as a ruse. You say it's illegal to sell sport hunted ivory IN Zimbabwe. But you are describing him attempting to sell sport hunted ivory FROM Zimbabwe, IN RSA. It is illegal to sell ivory in RSA? I honestly don't know. And if it is legal to sell sport hunted ivory in RSA, is it ONLY legal to sell ivory sport hunted in RSA? But really, before that question is answered, let's go back to my first question / scenario as has been discussed on AR previously as a perfectly acceptable practice. That was my main reason for entering this thread. That is, can a USA citizen, who owns a 2nd home in a foreign country that does not have an import ban on elephant trophies, import his legally sport hunted ivory into that country were he can store it in that 2nd home. If the answer to that is no, there are some threads here on AR that should be revisited and the remainder of this question becomes moot. | |||
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I am having a hard time following the exact violation he pled guilty to as well. As I understand it the violation was shooting an ele in a park. I can see this as a violation of the Lacey Act...but it is a reach for me under the ESA...which was the statute quoted in the plea agreement. Since ele can be shot legally outside of a park in Zim...it seems the only potential law violated was hunting in a park. That would be a violation of the Lacey Act...can someone explain how that violates the ESA? ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ J. Lane Easter, DVM A born Texan has instilled in his system a mind-set of no retreat or no surrender. I wish everyone the world over had the dominating spirit that motivates Texans.– Billy Clayton, Speaker of the Texas House No state commands such fierce pride and loyalty. Lesser mortals are pitied for their misfortune in not being born in Texas.— Queen Elizabeth II on her visit to Texas in May, 1991. | |||
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He put the tusks into commerce when he tried to ship them to RSA. The charges related to violations of the Lacey Act, 16 U.S.C. § 3372(a)(2)(A), wire fraud, 18 U.S.C. § 1343, and conspiracy to violate those offenses, 18 U.S.C. §§ 371 and 1349 are still available for the government to charge and try the defendant on, if he violates his plea agreement. | |||
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I am not a RSA lawyer so I can't answer that, but it appears that you can or otherwise he would not have been importing them into RSA for sale. Your second point I don't know or have any educated guess. Your third question (first question), the answer is no you can't with violating USA law. See post above this one. | |||
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Read the guilty pleading. It lays out what he is guilty off. He has not pleaded guilty to Lacey act violations but he could still be subject to additional Lacey act violations. Mike | |||
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Mike you are correct he could be further prosecuted by USFWS ad as other have noted he pled and MUST maintain the story told, a judge asked him if the plea was true and he stated yes so Ross cannot post a defense he is simply guilty at this time. I am defending Ross because there was no evil intent or premeditated crime in any of this. It WAS a legal hunt, ZPWMA MANAGEMENT at the park allowed entrance through a public gate for recovery of the bull wounded in a legal hunting area, the owner/Zim PH operator of the trophy bull quota signed off on the hunt as legitimate and it was presented to parks for legal export. Had there been any worry by Ross of the legality of the exportable trophy tusk why wouldn't the RSA citizen supposedly illegally guiding the hunt just have had the Zim operator on site pull a license in his name and ship the tusks to his home after all he reportedly help in the downing of the wounded animal? There are so many holes in this deal it just can't float but the reality is that a $25,000 fine done and over move on VS. possible PRISON time, years of legal fees totaling hundreds and hundreds of thousands of dollars defending yourself against a corrupt biased government agency with UNLIMITED resources was the only reasonable action Ross could take. YOU can bet ROSS JACKSON will be the only individual ever convicted in this in ANY country and probably the only one ever charged with a crime by his own country. Surely no one here with any knowledge of Africa thinks the RSA will extradite the PH to the USA or that ZPWMA will go after its own parks staff NO WAY!! Ross is a victim of the current USFWS admin trying everything in their power to make African hunting look cheap, trite and fraudulent with the USFWS hope that the more of these type high profile bogus arrest and media debacles they can mount the further they get toward the ultimate goal of ENDING ALL African hunting.. SAFARISEAN | |||
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IF...everything else about the taking of the animal is on the up and up -- i.e. no laws broken -- then the above is quite possible. In that scenario, the USFWS has no legal authority to intervene. It's no different than if someone legally kills a polar bear up north and leaves it in Canada. Tony Mandile - Author "How To Hunt Coues Deer" | |||
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Safarisean, you and I are never going to agree on this, but the facts are the facts. Fact #1, the Judge asked him if he "was pleading guilty, because he was guilty and for no other reason." Fact #2 no evil intent or premeditated crime. That's not an element of the crime for the government to prove. The act that he put the Ivory in the stream of Commerce, is all that matters. Perhaps you could tell us what his intent was in selling 116.5 pounds of Ivory @ $300USD per pound, for $34,950 in RSA? Fact #3, Zero holes in this deal. He debriefed the government, and plead to a class B offense. Reading the plea agreement, the government should have zero problems proving the Felony charges should he breach the agreement. Fact #4, Don't bet on Africa not cleaning up its mess. The Zimbabwe wants to sell hunts, they need the revenue. Fact #5, Ross is not a victim, he is a petty criminal. | |||
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Tony Mandile - Author "How To Hunt Coues Deer" | |||
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IF...everything else about the taking of the animal is on the up and up -- i.e. no laws broken -- then the above is quite possible. In that scenario, the USFWS has no legal authority to intervene. It's no different than if someone legally kills a polar bear up north and leaves it at his summer home in Canada. Tony Mandile - Author "How To Hunt Coues Deer" | |||
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No it's not, and yes the USFWS does have legal authority to intervene over a US citizen. It was a violation of the ESA's regulations to deliver, receive, carry, transport or ship in foreign commerce , by any means whatsoever, and in the course of a commercial activity, any threatened wildlife. See 50 C.F.R. § 17.31 (applying provisions of 50 C.F.R. § 17.21). However , the regulations at M C.F.R. §17.40 contain a special rule for the African Eleph (Loxodonta Africana). The special regulations for the African Elephant made it unlawful to deliver, receive, carry, transport or ship in interstate or foreign commerce and in the course of a so commercial activity any sport-hunted African Elephant (Loxodonta Africana) trophy. C.F. § 17.40(e)(6)(ii). Furthermore , only trophies taken legally in an African elephant range country qualified as sport-hunted . Pr C.F.R. § 17.40(e)(6)(i)(A). | |||
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There would be no commerce or commercial activity involved in the scenario Todd asked about. Tony Mandile - Author "How To Hunt Coues Deer" | |||
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Sir, no disrespect but how is he going to get the 'trophy" from one point to another? Please read the ESA regulation. . . deliver, receive, carry, transport or ship in foreign commerce, by any means whatsoever, and in the course of a commercial activity, any threatened wildlife. | |||
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If that is the case, then how are any elephant, lion, leopard, etc. trophies shipped and imported into the USA? I understand there is currently a ban on lion imports, but until recently, the elephant ban was only Tanz and Zim as it was still legal to import from Bots (although shut down there), Namibia, and RSA. And there is no ban on leopard as long as the proper CITES permits are in order. The way you are describing it, any transport of any legally hunted "threatened" animal, even with proper import and export CITES permits, becomes a violation of ESA law upon delivering them to the transport company. For that matter, you're saying if you legally hunt an elephant in Zim, then, as part of the hunting party, transport it from the field back to camp, you've transported or carried a threatened animal in foreign commerce and violated the ESA. Sorry but I'm not buying it. | |||
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I’m always amazed and disappointed when people come here to defend and justify poaching. I’m also guessing the poacher wishes his “friend” would shut the hell up and stop making his situation worse. ____________________________________________ "Build a man a fire, and he'll be warm for a day. Set a man on fire, and he'll be warm for the rest of his life." Terry Pratchett. | |||
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The question was can you as a US citizen ship your trophy to a third country, while waiting out a ban. Lion and Elephant are ESA species and require a permit from USFWS to ship to the USA, if you can get one. The answer is no. Transporting back to camp, is not foreign commerce. Transporting it back to camp in another country is. | |||
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Once again, specific words have specific legal meanings here and I'm not trying to give offense, but you don't seem to do a very good job defining the EXACT parameters. You state "Lion and Elephant are ESA species and require a permit from USFWS to ship to the USA,, if you can get one". That is NOT the question. The question is can lion and elephant be shipped to a DIFFERENT country (in this case RSA) other than the USA by a USA resident if that USA resident happens to have a 2nd home in that DIFFERENT country( in this case RSA)? If the animal is NOT being shipped to the USA, why does a permit from the USA need to be obtained as long as proper CITES permits are in order? Reading the plea, it appears Zimbabwe denied CITES permits to a country other than the hunter's official origin. In other words, they made the decision not to issue an Export Permit for RSA since the hunter couldn't prove residence there, even if he had a 2nd home, which I cannot see anywhere in the plea as being the case. It appears he simply stayed with a family member from time to time rather than actually owning a 2nd home there. It appears to me that once the Zim government decided not to issue a CITES Export permit to RSA, he should have dropped the matter instead of trying to con them into believing he had some level of RSA residency. If he attempted to circumvent the Zim government's decision on this matter by falsifying any level of RSA residency, and going forward with attempting to import the ivory to RSA, then I can see the violation. But if he really did have a 2nd home in say Canada, and can legitimately prove ownership of that 2nd home as his own, not just that he stays with a family member when visiting, and the Zim government issues the Export Permit based on a legitimate ownership of that 2nd home, I don't see the violation of USA law. So there has to be more to this regulation than is being presented here. Did your example not specifically state, "It was a violation of the ESA's regulations to deliver, receive, carry, transport or ship in foreign commerce , by any means whatsoever , and in the course of a commercial activity , any threatened wildlife"? IF that is truly the case, how is transporting it from the field to camp NOT transport or "carrying" in foreign commerce "by any means whatsoever"? How is it that the outfitter, who is engaged in taking a foreign hunter afield for the purposes of hunting a threatened species in exchange for being paid, NOT engaged in foreign commerce? And again, if the example you gave, is truly the case, taking elephant and lion out of the equation for now due to the current bans, how is transporting a legally sport hunted leopard with the proper CITES permits, NOT in violation of the ESA when it is imported (transported by foreign commercial carrier) to the USA? To claim there are no holes in this case is not an accurate statement. | |||
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And just one more comment to put a fine point on it. The question is NOT can a US Citizen ship to a third country while waiting out a ban. I assume this comment means "waiting out a ban" so that it can be later imported to the USA. That IS NOT the question. The question is can a USA citizen who legally and legitimately owns a 2nd home in a third country, ship his legally hunted lion or elephant trophy, with legitimate CITES import / export permits for that third country, to that specific third country as a FINAL destination to be enjoyed in his trophy room of his legitimately owned 2nd home in said country, with never the intent of attempting to later import it to the USA. | |||
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Only if he has dual citizenship in that country. | |||
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One AR member stated that he bet Ross would appreciate it if I shut up and quit defending him. SO FYI this incident was reported in EVERY main stream news outlet in Colorado including the local Denver evening news and the plea was circulated to every anti hunting hate group on the planet so I don't think that a few hundred AR members arguing about this is going to have much impact while Ross is facing daily death threats, protestors in his front yard etc.. I however have to start getting ready for my 2 month stint in Namibia and Zim starting in less than 2 weeks so this is my final post on this matter. When a hunter pays to be guided on a hunt he is at the operators mercy and expects to be guided within the law. Ross Jackson PAID to have the services of not one but 2 professional hunters, one a Zim PH the other a PH from the RSA. The hunt was 100% legal and if having a South African PH in attendance made it illegal then MANY American hunters are headed to COURT or JAIL including current AR Members. IT is COMMON to have a South African bring their clients to Zim and work with Zim pros during the course of the hunt. After wounding the animal the ZIM operator conducting this hunt and the legal possessor of the prepaid quota contacted a Zimbabwe Parks and Wildlife Authority Main Office in Gonarezhou and was not only allowed to enter the park the ZPWMA officials provided parks employees as GUIDES to assist in the recovery of the wounded animal. What happened after concerning where the tusk were to be sent is really just a legal argument that USFWS used to attack a hunter doing something they (USFWS) want stopped. ANY reader here that thinks an American was in charge of this party has NOT hunted Africa, the PH is god on a hunt and the client must follow the PH's instructions and recommendations period. USFWS burocrats know what message they are sending and that message is that they want ALL African hunting stopped and what better way to start that without legislation is to call into doubt the PH and make hunters second guess what they are told which by the way could be easily fatal in the field. All of the email and actoins after the hunt were in reaction to the degrading situation and were an attempt to stay out of trouble JUST like the plea. As I stated in the first of my post Ross Jackson is not the devil and this is a political maneuver by a bunch of very biased government employees with a hidden agenda. I wish I could say this was the beginning of the end of African hunting for Americans but we are already well down that road so hunt now while you can the door is closing quickly.......................... SAFARISEAN | |||
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Where did the second elephant theory come from? Nixon is notorious for losing elephants in the park. JEff | |||
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I thought the commerce part was his desire to sell the tusks as alleged in the indictment. That he pled to the ESA charge indicates that he was willing to sign off that it was his plan, IMO. That to me says poaching. Maybe he did a legit hunt...that he wasn’t convicted of violating. I would not be surprised if the guy would have kept the tusks if he could take them home, but it sure sounds to me as he doesn’t have a RSA residence (the business about getting an affidavit from his sister about staying with her) so that doesn’t hold water. Sure, this whole thing could be overreach by the feds, but there is enough there that the guy hung himself and he agreed to the plea, so he’s a self admitted elephant poacher. Yes, his life has been turned upside down, and probably more by the desire of the US attorney to crack down on the hunting viewed as commerce than anything else... but if he hadn’t made some statements that got recorded about selling his ivory, he would probably not be in this situation. Just my reading of this stuff. | |||
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