YA you can't walk on water but your friends would love it if you got a little close to it more often. and don't forget the soap

Steve,

I see no difference between eating pork and bears or cats etc. Pigs given the chance will eat anything including carion.

Leopard tenderloin sauted in real butter, garlic, salt and pepper. Yummy! I'm telling you that is a gourmet meal. Sorry you've been missing out for 30 years.

Mark

Shakari,

Most of the parasites and desies that ypou mentioned are also found in ruminants. The antelope you eat have many of these same parasites but also add tape worm.

465H&H

Guys,

I'm not a vet and maybe Lane or Oryxhunter is better qualified to give a more scientific reply but basically the reason the cats carry such a wide variety of possible and often very serious infections etc is that they eat so much crap.

All you have to do to discover the possible health issues is to spend a few minutes on Google.

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Originally posted by shakari:
Guys,

I'm not a vet and maybe Lane or Oryxhunter is better qualified to give a more scientific reply but basically the reason the cats carry such a wide variety of possible and often very serious infections etc is that they eat so much crap.

All you have to do to discover the possible health issues is to spend a few minutes on Google.

Picked up this snippet on Google:

"A restaurant in Tampa, Florida, has been offering lion meat from South Africa to its customers. It is thought that the lion originated from a ‘lion farm' in South Africa.

There is little doubt that the patrons of the restaurant will have little idea that by ordering lion meat they are supporting one of the most vicious and destructive industries in the world. Their money will go back along the commercial food chain until it reaches the canned lion breeder in South Africa, enriching him and encouraging his grisly trade. South Africa is the world capital of canned lion breeding and hunting."

Not being a vet, doctor or biologist either, cannot expound on the pros and cons regarding the consumption of flesh
taken from predators/scavengers. All I can say is that our feline friends in the wild subsist on both live prey and
carrion. For them to survive eating carrion which often enough is in a state of advanced decomposition and thereby producing some seriously toxic bacteria suggests they have some equally serious antibodies and digestive enzymes which we do not have;
hence the occasional bouts of "Culcutta Quickstep or Foxtrot" whenever we eat something slightly 'off'.

My guess that bred/canned lions are not fed with carrion or decomposing meat but freshly killed game instead and which may ultimately prevent the formation of certain virulent antibodies from birth and possibly render their meat edible.
If we apply logic to the argument I guess it would be OK to eat vultures, crows, hyenas, etc. as well.

I dare say I have tasted the back-straps of both Lion and Leopard but did not find them to be appealing in any way.

I'll stick to conventional game, thank you.

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Feline immunodeficiency virus

Cat AIDS?

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Originally posted by 505 gibbs:

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Feline immunodeficiency virus

Cat AIDS?

yes. it has really decimated the lion population in Kruger Park, as there is no cure(just like humans) and the last study i saw estimated the infection rate in Kruger at greater than 30%.

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Originally posted by MARK H. YOUNG:
Steve,

I see no difference between eating pork and bears or cats etc. Pigs given the chance will eat anything including carion.

Leopard tenderloin sauted in real butter, garlic, salt and pepper. Yummy! I'm telling you that is a gourmet meal. Sorry you've been missing out for 30 years.

Mark

I've tried black bear and i it's good meat.
I would also eat lion, leopard and other animals.
No diffrence to pork for me.

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Originally posted by MARK H. YOUNG:
Steve,

I see no difference between eating pork and bears or cats etc. Pigs given the chance will eat anything including carion.

Leopard tenderloin sauted in real butter, garlic, salt and pepper. Yummy! I'm telling you that is a gourmet meal. Sorry you've been missing out for 30 years.

Mark

African lion is one of the best tasting meats I have tried. I had it breaded and fried(pretty well done).

All meat can carry some nasty stuff. I thought that is why we cook it......

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Originally posted by MARK H. YOUNG:


I swear to God that I hear some of the nuttiest shit on AR almost daily.

Mark

Mark
I guess you say "almost daily" because you don't read AR every day?

That would make a pretty good signature line, BTW.

Steve, did you read up on cat AIDS before or after that leopard photo was taken?

Hell, pigs will eat dead decomposing pigs. Is that any different from the feline carrion menu?

And feeding cattle meat parts from other cattle can cause mad cow disease.

465H&H

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Originally posted by jdollar:

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Originally posted by 505 gibbs:

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Feline immunodeficiency virus

Cat AIDS?

yes. it has really decimated the lion population in Kruger Park, as there is no cure(just like humans) and the last study i saw estimated the infection rate in Kruger at greater than 30%.

Consiquently they've had to shut down the lion "bath houses" in the greater Kruger area!

Brett

Jason,

I admit being on AR most days but the "nuttiest shit" actually is present most of the time in one form or another.

Mark

Here's some more nutty shit on just one of many infections for you.

http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medline...y/article/000631.htm

http://emedicine.medscape.com/article/787591-overview

http://www.cdc.gov/ncidod/dpd/...tsht_trichinosis.htm

http://www.medical-look.com/Pa...ses/Trichinosis.html

You might also try a Google image search on Trichinosis to see some really nasty images.

It is of course entirely up to every individual to make their own decision about what they eat but there's a ton of scientific evidence out there that proves there are a lot of serious health issues involved in eating the meat of predators and I've just supplied a few links to prove it.

Saying you're willing to take the chances on those health issues because you want to is one thing and that's fine but to call it nutty shit when the evidence is right in front of your eyes is (to put it bluntly) nothing short of sheer bloody stupidity.

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Trichinosis is a disease caused by eating undercooked meat containing cysts of Trichinella spiralis. Trichinella spiralis can be found in pork, bear, walrus, fox, rat, horse, and lion meat.

Wild animals, especially carnivores (meat eaters) or omnivores (animals that eat both meat and plants), should be considered a possible source of roundworm disease. Domestic meat animals raised specifically for eating under USDA guidelines and inspection can be considered safe.

Prevention
Pork and meat from wild animals should be cooked until well done (no traces of pink) . Freezing at subzero temperatures (Fahrenheit) for 3 to 4 weeks will kill the organism. Smoking, salting, or drying meat are not reliable methods of killing the organism that causes this infection.

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Trichinosis, or as it is sometimes known, trichinellosis, is caused by eating meat infected with the larvae of a roundworm called Trichinella spiralis. These larvae can most often be found in undercooked pork or wild game, and trichinosis is common where raw or undercooked meat is eaten. Other animals that put people at risk for trichinosis include bear, boar, fox, dog, rat, wolf, horse, lion, raccoon, seal and walrus . In fact, in the United States, the highest number of trichinosis cases come from eating bear. Trichinosis is not contagious; it can only be spread through the eating of raw or undercooked meat with the Trichinella spiralis larvae in it.

Steve
It looks like all wild animals are potential carriers. Prevention seems simple enough. Cook it well done and the problem is solved.

Have you sworn off all wild meat and domestic pork also?

Jason,

Look closer buddy. They all mention carnivores and/or lions in particular as common carriers.

Regarding pork. Admittedly that can carry it as well but pork usually arrives at the table in a well and often slightly overdone condition whereas lion or leopard tends to arrive on the table rather more like game meat which is traditionally underdone.

My first point is that lions/leopards can carry lots of really nasty parasites and I've only mentioned one of many and quoted from just one of many books.

My second point is that you should be aware of the dangers before eating it and if you want to go ahead then it's your decision but to deny the existance of the greater risk of infection is just plain wrong to say the very least.

Personally, I'd rather just eat vegetables than eat meat from lion or leopard etc..... or of course the Peking duck.

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Originally posted by Die Ou Jagter:
Shit man you got good Q you don't need anything else!

The best barbeque on the planet is found in santa maria, CA hands down. No one does it like we do. Look to The Hitching Post in Casmailia and Jocko's in Nipomo

BBQ in Cool aid country, get real! Is it anything like Calif chille.

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Originally posted by Die Ou Jagter:
BBQ in Cool aid country, get real! Is it anything like Calif chille.

LOL A man with no experience I see. And yes we have a type of barbeque that isn't found anywhere else except a resteraunt that used to be in long beach until the owner retired. But it is the best and when people visit this area from out of state or country its all they talk about semms like. Oh by the way its kool aid not cool aid. If you don't beleive me on the barbeque then look it up under santa maria style barbeque. But if you're a barbeque sauce guy don't bother lol. Barbeque sauce and steak sauce is good for only one thing: To cover up the taste of shitty tasting food, the same way mexicans who can't cook smother everything in cilantro. Have fun.