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If we can discuss headphones and crypto currency perhaps is OK to ask this question.

Any of you know of problems with cochlear implants and rifles that kick a bit? A month ago I had the implant in my right ear and am beginning to practice with my .405 Winchester for an upcoming plains game hunt. I also shoot rifles that recoil a good deal more than the .405. Any thoughts??
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Gents:
If we can discuss headphones and crypto currency perhaps is OK to ask this question.

Any of you know of problems with cochlear implants and rifles that kick a bit? A month ago I had the implant in my right ear and am beginning to practice with my .405 Winchester for an upcoming plains game hunt. I also shoot rifles that recoil a good deal more than the .405. Any thoughts??
Cal


Cal -

I highly advise against shooting any of your heavy recoiling rifles. Specially your .600 Wilkes.

I’ll email you my address and I promise I’ll take stellar care of it for you.

Best of luck on your shooting.

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Cal, have you talked to the doctor who performed your surgery? That’s where you should start. Unless one of us has specific knowledge about cochlear implants, you’re risking getting bad advice.

While not cochlear implants surgery, when I was planning a buffalo hunt after rotator cuff surgery, I didn’t ask arm chair experts, I asked my surgeon. Here is what he said. “I don’t want you shooting anything that kicks very much for a year. It’s a bad idea. If you do and you tear your rotator cuff again, do not call me. I won’t fix it again if you want to be stupid”. Same principal applies here.

Now, if you have any gynecological questions, that’s different. How can we help you? Big Grin
 
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Cal, have you talked to the doctor who performed your surgery? That’s where you should start. Unless one of us has specific knowledge about cochlear implants, you’re risking getting bad advice.

While not cochlear implants surgery, when I was planning a buffalo hunt after rotator cuff surgery, I didn’t ask arm chair experts, I asked my surgeon. Here is what he said. “I don’t want you shooting anything that kicks very much for a year. It’s a bad idea. If you do and you tear your rotator cuff again, do not call me. I won’t fix it again if you want to be stupid”. Same principal applies here.

Now, if you have any gynecological questions, that’s different. How can we help you? Big Grin
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sounds like my wife, same bedside manner lol


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Cal.

I am thinking that you did not ask your doctor, because you did not want to know the answer.

You are in the same boat as a friend of mine, he is also a shooter and likes to shoot. Does he broach the question with his doctor about shooting, "NO" he does not because he wants to continue shooting.

As mentioned, ask your Doctor and if you do not like his answer, get a second opinion. And the forum is not a valid second opinion.

I am thinking that your Doctor will advise a period of time for the procedure to heal. That the implants are firmly set in place before you entertain the possibility of doing any activity that may displace the implants. This could be from a week to a year.

I do know that flying could be one of the activities that you may be limited for a period of time.

Only your Doctor should be giving you advice on what you can do and not do.

You are lucky that your doctor let you keep your drivers license as I have a friend who his doctor took his away until the doctor thought he could hear sufficiently to drive safely.


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I'll support what DLS said about his conversation with his surgeon. I am 4 weeks post op from rotator cuff and impingement surgery on my right shoulder. My doc said no to even a light recoiling 20ga gas operated auto-loader for 6 months. I've had to reschedule my Argentina trip because of it.

Your surgeon is the only one who knows what had to be done during the surgery and is the only real source for the answer you're seeking.

Best.


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Brain replacement.


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I'm not sure thn you can take yhour doc's opinion s gospel unless he's shooter.

I suddenly got a macular hole in my shooting eye about ten years while shooting trap. The doc, an ophthalmologist, identified it but insisted it had nothing to do with recoil. Being skeptical because of thinking it too much of a coincidence I stopped my bird hunting. Even though I shot my normal .270 and similar there were were no further problems until recently I put a .375 together for a planned trip to Tanzania for buffalo. After the first shooting of this rifle at the range, the blind spot in my eye doubled in size.

I went back to the doc and he still insisted that it was a coincidence. I was recommended to an other doc, a surgeon, who was very positive that it had nothing to do with shooting. Neither of these docs were shooters.

I just got the barrel on the 375 ported and am trying to get up my nerve to shoot it again.

I realize that this has little to do with your situation, but don't be too trusting! The experts aren't always right. Except when it comes to politics, of course.


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Thanks, gents.
Arm chair experts, no, but folks who have had the surgery, yes. I have asked my doc but he is not a gun guy. No problem to wait few weeks after surgery to shoot. However he does not know a .30-06 from a .600.


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2000 Australia
2002 South Africa
2003 South Africa
2003 Zimbabwe
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2006 Zimbabwe--vacation
2007 Zimbabwe--vacation
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2012 Australia
2013 South Africa
2013 Zimbabwe
2013 Australia
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What’s the worst that can happen?

You’ll be deaf again.

So the question becomes, is it worth it?

Tough question.

Good luck.


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As a doctor, I can assure you I wouldn’t seek medical advice on a hunting/shooting forum…. coffee


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All I can tell you is the more I shoot my 500 Jeffery without hearing protection, the quieter it gets.


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That's why I haven't shot the .358RUM I had built.

Had both shoulders replaced, sure don't want to
wreck that. Right one has had three cuff repairs
once since it was replaced,
and starting to pinch and pain again.

Also much of the reason I turned down the cochlear implant that was offered.

Best wishes Cal.

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I had an interesting discussion with John Crowley at the Beinfeld show about an old East Coast friend who had recently passed!! For some reason they did an autopsy on the ol' boy and the Medical Examiner reported NUMEROUS small traumatic concussions evident on the brain... he couldn't figure it out what would cause that??!!... not strokes....
Seems he was an avid 4 bore and big double gun shooter!!
I have known several blokes to get detached retinas from heavy recoiling guns... and being hit with baseballs... this is pretty serious but can be repaired by a good Ophthalmologist!!
With all due respect to JDollar... there are alot of Docs out there who don't want anyone shooting... and will discourage it without regard... a political position!! But that said, I would certainly discuss with the surgeon who did your "New Ears"... you're in Alaska and Docs up there are probably shooters... as evidenced by the attendees at your Double Rifle Shoots.
I wish you good luck with your New Ears... and shooting with them... Rush Limbaugh did well with them for years... just stay away from Cigars!!
CheerZ,


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As a doctor, I can assure you I wouldn’t seek medical advice on a hunting/shooting forum…. coffee


Just shows how little you know!

No wonder you lot never learn anything.

Always "practicing"!

We here are EXPERTS in everything under the sun, below the sea, and some are so good they even talk to half dead buffalo before killing them! jumping


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I had an interesting discussion with John Crowley at the Beinfeld show about an old East Coast friend who had recently passed!! For some reason they did an autopsy on the ol' boy and the Medical Examiner reported NUMEROUS small traumatic concussions evident on the brain... he couldn't figure it out what would cause that??!!... not strokes....
Seems he was an avid 4 bore and big double gun shooter!!
I have known several blokes to get detached retinas from heavy recoiling guns... and being hit with baseballs... this is pretty serious but can be repaired by a good Ophthalmologist!!
With all due respect to JDollar... there are alot of Docs out there who don't want anyone shooting... and will discourage it without regard... a political position!! But that said, I would certainly discuss with the surgeon who did your "New Ears"... you're in Alaska and Docs up there are probably shooters... as evidenced by the attendees at your Double Rifle Shoots.
I wish you good luck with your New Ears... and shooting with them... Rush Limbaugh did well with them for years... just stay away from Cigars!!
CheerZ,


As best I can tell, there are no ENT specialists who post here, including me. Therefore I would not seek medical advice here-re cochlear implants. YMMV…….


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I have gotten better advice on AR regarding protection against infectious tropical diseases than I have gotten from infectious disease specialists I have seen.

Since the first one of those I saw recommended Larium as a malaria prophylaxis, I don't ask them anymore.

Now, before any safari, I tell them what I want.

Of course, I also just kill Cape buffalo, and don't waste time asking them how they want to die. Big Grin


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I'm not a ENT surgeon or neurosurgeon.

Essentially you are putting electrodes in the remnants of your auditory nerve when you have a cochlear implant.

If you don't want to say shooting a .600, you could say you do some MMA and ask when you can get back to sparring.

I would want to discuss it with folks who do the procedure. Shooting is a common enough activity that causes deafness that they should be able to give you an answer, if not for the extremes of heavy recoil.
 
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What I'm wondering is with the "speaker part"

out in the open. How are you going to muffle

the blast. No ear muffs will work on such things.

I've only seen two people with them. Kevin Weavers

wife after brain cancer surgery, her hair covered

them up. In Jan out eating I tried to talk with a

fellow that had just come out of the hosp from

having a pair installed. After seeing those

5/8"x 2" long thread spools sticking off his head.

There's NFW I'd ever get them.

How can a person sleep with such things?

I'd be concerned about knocking them off all the

time. Then what??

George


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This really isn’t any answer to this post but I feel many here may be as interested as I. It will probably come too late for me and most of us but interesting nonetheless.

Best of luck Cal.

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Gents:
I have all the information I need and will share it with you. First (to rely to a couple of comments) I asked on AR as information from actual experiences is valuable. Second, I was not looking for medical advise on a forum, nor did I not ask the MD for fear of his answer. My doctor is not a shooter nor a hunter nor is the audiologist (also a doctor). I asked them to look into the matter and the result is this: no restrictions on shooting. Kick boxers and rugby players use cochlear implants but, as with shooting, the exterior processor is removed. The internal implant will have no problem.
Just FYI.
Cal


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1994 Zimbabwe
1997 Zimbabwe
1998 Zimbabwe
1999 Zimbabwe
1999 Namibia, Botswana, Zambia--vacation
2000 Australia
2002 South Africa
2003 South Africa
2003 Zimbabwe
2005 South Africa
2005 Zimbabwe
2006 Tanzania
2006 Zimbabwe--vacation
2007 Zimbabwe--vacation
2008 Zimbabwe
2012 Australia
2013 South Africa
2013 Zimbabwe
2013 Australia
2016 Zimbabwe
2017 Zimbabwe
2018 South Africa
2018 Zimbabwe--vacation
2019 South Africa
2019 Botswana
2019 Zimbabwe vacation
2021 South Africa
2021 South Africa (2nd hunt a month later)
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Good to hear...bring on the Wilkes! :-)
 
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