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Will someone please explain the difference and or relationship of the Dallas SCI and the International SCI--- I would assume there is a fairly rational explanation but I have not been able to determine what is what as so to speak. I had thought the whole thing was one big happy family but seems that is not the case -- please advise. GW OMG!-- my bow is "pull-push feed" - how dreadfully embarrasing!!!!! | ||
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I do not know the facts, but I will explain it as it was told to me. Some of the folks in the Dallas area had a difference of opinion with SCI. As such, they withdrew and formed their own club, the Dallas Safari Club. They are independent and not associated with SCI. They continue to do alot of good in the conservation arena, and put on a great convention without the pretenses found at SCI in Reno. I enjoy both shows, but Dallas in more personal. I believe it is a good idea to be a member of each. "There are worse memorials to a life well-lived than a pair of elephant tusks." Robert Ruark | |||
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What now is the Dallas Safari Club began as one of Safari Club International's first five chapters in 1972. Ten years later, it was among nineteen SCI chapters that left SCI in 1982 when SCI began requiring that a portion of the proceeds from chapter fundraisers be sent to the international organization. This was called the "Dearborn Resolution" among insiders because the requirement was passed at a spring board meeting in that city. As I say in my book, "The History of SCI:" "The resolution probably would have been less controversial if there weren't critics who believed SCI founder C.J. McElroy was not accountable to SCI’s board of directors and was spending money on programs the board had not approved. SCI was unique among major hunting organizations. Local chapters of the Foundation for North American Wild Sheep, Ducks Unlimited and the Rocky Mountain Elk Foundation, for example, sent 100% of the net proceeds of their fund raisers to their parent organizations. SCI was seeking only 30%." Within twelve months of the passage of the Dearborn Resolution, all of the other chapters returned to SCI's fold, except what had been SCI's three largest: SCI Dallas, SCI Sacramento and SCI Houston. Sacramento stayed away until 1991. Dallas and Houston still are not affiliated with SCI. I agree with SBT. Hunters should support both. Bill Quimby | |||
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How big is the Dallas show compared to the Reno show? Last year, it took about 3 days to do justice to the Reno show; if I go to Dallas, how much time should I allow? | |||
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One can spend three days at Dallas and still miss some good stuff... I'd say that Dallas is about 1/4 to 1/3 or SCI, but it doesn't have the vast amount of non-hunting stuff that Reno has. In any event, make sure you go to the Friday AR party (if space is available) and the Saturday night 108th birthday party (always room there!). I'll start a new thread on the 108th party, btw). JudgeG ... just counting time 'til I am again finding balm in Gilead chilled out somewhere in the Selous. | |||
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From the respective web sites today: SCI shows to offer 1980 10' X 10' booths. Some booths are 10' X 20', 10' X 30' etc... This will put SCI at approx. 1650 vendors. DSC shows to have over 800 exhibitors scheduled. Global Sportsmen Outfitters, LLC Bob Cunningham 404-802-2500  | |||
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DSC (DALLAS SAFARI CLUB), as Bill says, has no connection to SCI! There is, however, a D/FW SCI chapter of SCI in the area, but has nothing to do with DSC, and is quite small. Many of the members are members of SCI as well,me included, and both have their good, and bad points, but the good far outweighs the bad at DSC, which is simply a fine old TEXAS WELCOME to anyone, and is far cheaper to attend everything they have to offer. DSC always runs four days. Thursday, Friday,Saturday,and Sunday. Tickets are available at the door, and are only $10 and if you really want to see it all, it will take at least three days! Come on down, you wont be sorry!  ....Mac >>>===(x)===> MacD37, ...and DUGABOY1 DRSS Charter member "If I die today, I've had a life well spent, for I've been to see the Elephant, and smelled the smoke of Africa!"~ME 1982 Hands of Old Elmer Keith  | |||
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Dallas seems to me to be a more Accurate Reloading convention than SCI. I wish AR had a booth at DSC. It could be somewhere between Harry's booth and the bar. We would have some of those hotties like those that are at the DSC raffles running drinks to our members. AR members would post a picture or two on the surrounding walls of their safaris. We would have some comfortable chairs and a computer to enroll new members. We would have a carved statue of Walter as a centerpiece. ALLEN W. JOHNSON - DRSS Into my heart on air that kills From yon far country blows: What are those blue remembered hills, What spires, what farms are those? That is the land of lost content, I see it shining plain, The happy highways where I went And cannot come again. A. E. Housman | |||
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. . . you had me with you here . . .
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Both are great organizations and I'm a member of both. I did find myself in Vegas years ago with work at an equipment trade show and wanted to "walk on" the SCI show floor and see the PH I hunt with. "One hundred dollars if you please." I know I didn't register in advance, but for a member to walk on the floor of a trade show to see people that want to sell to me? Gimme a break. I kept the hundred in my pocket and turned around. I know it is hunting and it is something we all live for, but it's still a trade show. | |||
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I know some think the $100 per day or $260 for all four days at SCI is kinda high. I look at it as simply MY contribution to SCI and the good work they do for all us hunters. So to me the daily fee is not for admitance to a trade show. I have never been to the Dallas show but would like to make it next year. It would really be neat to meet some of you there at the after show hours get togethers. Attending both shows makes the most sense for the avid hunter and I would have done so this year , but other commitments interfered. Larry Sellers | |||
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For years I did attend both, but frankly they are both trade shows. Trade shows that I very much enjoy attending. The difference was that I was spending four or five times as much to attend SCI as I was to attend the DSC show. What really chapped me was the year that SCI apparently wanted to boost their attendance numbers and started letting local people in for free on Saturday if they bought a new membership for I think the amount was $30, and the old members were still paying $100 a day to get in. In the early years a full registration to the SCI convention was just that, a full registration, cocktail parties, meals, auctions, ladies lunch, breakfast,etc. Now even with full registration, you can't go to half the functions, you have life member functions, inner circle functions, etc, etc. | |||
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You go way back in SCI. Here's what I said in my book "The History of SCI" about the SCI convention where non-members were allowed: "That 1974 convention was the only SCI convention to be open to the public. (The entry fee was $3.00 per person or $5.00 per couple. Full registration was $150.00, and included a room for four nights at the Sahara.) The big money was not in selling admission, however, it was in auctioning art and donated items. Problem was, founder C.J. McElroy soon learned, the Internal Revenue Service’s rules were such that the convention needed to be restricted only to members." It wasn't just the IRS that changed the format back to members only. There were a bunch of members just like you who complained. Bill Quimby | |||
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Oops! I owe you an apology, RBHunt. I didn't read your note closely enough. The year you're talking about was much more recent and resulted when someone decided to offer reduced-price entry as a promotional device to sell "field memberships." It didn't work, and it pissed off a bunch of regular members, including you. Bill Quimby | |||
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I would love to go to either...haven't been yet as it's a tad far for some of us. _______________________________  | |||
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Palmer, The AR booth might become one of the most crowded of all time...not sure if it would be because of the bar maidens or the art centerpc. you are proposing. You can borrow money but you can not borrow time. Go hunting with your family. | |||
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I have been to both and both are very enjoyable. Dallas is a bit more "laid back," and the admission pricing makes it more affordable for many folks who are not membership inclined. That said, SCI Reno is an extravaganza not to be missed if you are an SCI member.  for both....If you Dallas AR guys are going to have a dinner again this year, and if I am able to attend the show, I'd enjoy going. The weather last year kept me away. "When you play, play hard; when you work, don't play at all." Theodore Roosevelt | |||
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This year (actually 2008) I will do the Reno gig-- next year (2009) will give Dallas a try---- as quite honestly I am becoming totally fried by the whole Reno thing -- way to jammed -- lousy place to travel in and out of --- and marginal accommodations to say the least. I have also heard that a few years down the road the Reno show is moving to Las Vegas – not sure on this but that was what I was told – that should vastly improve the travel and housing issues. OMG!-- my bow is "pull-push feed" - how dreadfully embarrasing!!!!! | |||
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I had booths at both shows for years, then quit going to Reno because it just got overwhelming, in that it took me two days in line to get set up and three days to get out. I'm a little long in the tooth to deal with that these days. Dallas, Houston, Monterrey Mex. are more laid back and not so hectic by comparison, and nothing is required of you but to purchase your booth or booths,and all is furnished, however if I were just getting into the business and I was freshmeat and eager, then Reno would be a must, along with Dallas and the others, and I may go to Reno again in the future, who knows, its just strictly business. I usually go to Reno as a spectator these days and enjoy the company of some good friends. I really like to do that. Both organizations are very legitamate and have done an awful lot of good over the years. Ray Atkinson Atkinson Hunting Adventures 10 Ward Lane, Filer, Idaho, 83328 208-731-4120 rayatkinsonhunting@gmail.com | |||
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have to ask this: Is attending both shows somewhat redundant? Are most of the exhibitors the same? I have only attended Reno and will do so again in 08. A flying visit, saturday only. | |||
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There is some overlap, but less than you might think. I give a big thumbs up to the DSC show. I really enjoy going to that show, and so does my wife. Great people, and some great AR functions as well. I have pretty much sworn off the SCI Reno show. Simply too much bustle to get anything constructive accomplished. If your tastes run to 100K doubles and safaris costing more, than Reno is definitely the place. It is the only places I was ever made to feel "a bother" when writing a check for a $20K hunt. Overall, just not my type of crowd. Bill | |||
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The only reason I do Reno is because I live close enough to drive. If I had to fly it would be Dallas. | |||
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the best thing i have found about the SCI show is the overwhelming diversity of exhibitors. it doesn't matter where in the world you want to go, you can rest assured that there will be someone there selling a trip to that destination. pick any out of the way country and someone at the show can arrange it. Vote Trump- Putin’s best friend… To quote a former AND CURRENT Trumpiteer - DUMP TRUMP | |||
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Actually, this is something I have a problem with, yes there is a ton of exhibitors there, but they have everything from Rolex watches, cigars, wine, womens clothing, jewelry, beef jerkey, log cabins, tupperware, bird houses, you name it. If I am going to a hunting show, I want to go to a hunting show, not wade through all the other stuff that has very little to do with hunting. Sometimes I think that anyone that has $$ to put down can get a booth there. | |||
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I look forward to attending the American custom gunmakers guild section. | |||
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