Got this hot off the internet wire, read carefully....

Dear Hunting Outfitters

MORATORIUM ON THE UTILIZATION OF THE LEOPARD CITES QUOTA IN THE LIMPOPO PROVINCE 2009

Kindly be notified that the department has taken a decision that no CITES permits for hunting of leopards will be issued as long as the transformation issues have not been put in place or resolved. It is expected of every Hunting Outfitter who is applying for a CITES leopard hunt to have a qualified Black Professional Hunter as a partner during that particular hunt. Such a professional hunter must be paid accordingly from the revenue already accumulated from the R5000.00 donations. The outstanding training issues must be resolved as a matter of urgency in order to get the programme implemented.

The moratorium would remain in place until further notice and can only be lifted once the acceptable transformation implementation plan is in place. Please relay this information to the affected parties.

Regards
Makhubele SH

How do you train a guy in the run?

Dear God! Affirmative action african style

Mad Dog

You'll think of something, 375

This one will backfire spectacularly. Do they think that because hunting is often referred to as sport hunting it would be a good idea to implement the quota system, as they have done with the rugby and cricket teams? This will result in pushing unqualified PH's through the system, handing out licenses willy-nilly and many future maulings! Nothing against black PH's - I have huge admiration for certain black PH's, as many of you know - just an issue with inexperienced PH's. Inexperienced PH's and dangerous game is a most disagreeable combination. Sit back, relax - let's watch the fur fly and the tissue tear!



http://s165.photobucket.com/al...urrent=humour007.flv

Well, in 2005, AFTER I returned they decided baboons were endangered too. So I never got the skull from the big bobo I arrowed (30 yard shot over a pond).

This big fella is from a great property I book for in Limpopo:



Cropped and lightened



He'll die of old age now.

David,

They can't manage to get the black PHs through the existing course, the new proposed course already has 155 unit standards and they're still working on it, so Christ knows how they'll get them through that!

As you say, there are some very good PHs but I have to say, I can't think of many, if any in RSA.

seems to me that i remember something like this in zim a while ago

It looks like they have come to thier sences, the Moratorium on the utilization of the leopard CITES quota has just been withdrawn with immediate effect, I just recieved an email from Phasa.

butchloc: That is true. At one stage it seemed that everyone with a 4x4 and a .22 hornet was a qualified PH, and some didn't even have the vehicle or rifle! I think they quickly realized their blunder, because nowadays they seem to send many candidates packing before they get close to the proficiency. I'm sure Ganyana could enlighten us further.

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Originally posted by John Luyt:
It looks like they have come to thier sences, the Moratorium on the utilization of the leopard CITES quota has just been withdrawn with immediate effect, I just recieved an email from Phasa.

Jeez, that was quick! They must have been reading this thread!

Katte will maybe shed some more light on this, but as I understand we used an age old remedy.....LEGAL ACTION...!

Dear Hunting Outfitters


Kindly be informed that the statement issued with regards to the Moratorium on the utilization of the leopard CITES quota in the Limpopo Province is hereby withdrawn with immediate effect. For those who have already applied for the permits your approvals will be forwarded to you as soon as possible. We apologise for the inconvenience this may have caused.


Regards


Makhubele SH
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Just got this too. Morons

April Fools Day is coming quite early!

Saeed, if only! This kind of out-of-line and out-of-mandate statement/decision is routine in SA at the moment - at all level of the officialdom. (The word government implies the act of governing and that would be stretching the imagination a little) The official yielding the big stick obviously got crapped from a dizzy height by someone somewhere who has an understanding of the bigger picture ... What a gumby!

Just don't forget this too quickly. At the end they do make all of the rules, in time ...

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Originally posted by David Hulme:
... everyone with a 4x4 and a .22 hornet was a qualified PH, and some didn't even have the vehicle or rifle! ...

David, the minimum requirement was any pickup truck with an old fuel drum on the back.

Johan,

And do not forget, the Red Socks, Rugby Shorts and Copper Bangles,up too the yinyang

And a Land Cruiser,with Mags and BF Fat Takkies as that is the only vehicle that will qualify you as well

with bullbar and home made shooting sticks, the rickety looking the better, wired onto the cruiser bin for good measure

Newest News on Leopard issue:

Dear Hunting Outfitters
Kindly be informed that the statement issued with regards to the Moratorium on the utilization of the leopard CITES quota in the Limpopo Province is hereby withdrawn with immediate effect. For those who have already applied for the permits your approvals will be forwarded to you as soon as possible. We apologise for the inconvenience this may have caused.
Regards
Makhubele SH

We as PHASA and LHLF has put is a lot of hard work to make this happen.
Katte

Things may get crazy at times in the states, but it's things like this that remind me how good we have it in the USA! This just boogles my mind.

Brett

Don't you just love it when people get appointed to specialist positions when they don't know which way is up and they then do this kind of shit.

A friend of mine was present at a recent meeting with a bunch of game dept officials, when the newly appointed (lady) head of one particular game dept came out with the following statement: ' I'm new to this, can someone please tell me how much meat a white rhino eats in a day?'

Don'tcha just love it!

quote:

Originally posted by shakari:
Don't you just love it when people get appointed to specialist positions
the newly appointed (lady) head of one particular game dept came out with the following statement: ' I'm new to this, can someone please tell me how much meat a white rhino eats in a day?'

Your joking right???
TIA

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Originally posted by ozhunter:
Your joking right???
TIA

Nope.

quote:

Originally posted by shakari:
Don't you just love it when people get appointed to specialist positions when they don't know which way is up and they then do this kind of shit.

A friend of mine was present at a recent meeting with a bunch of game dept officials, when the newly appointed (lady) head of one particular game dept came out with the following statement: ' I'm new to this, can someone please tell me how much meat a white rhino eats in a day?'

Don'tcha just love it!

HAUW......

SERIOUS...

Eish but in fact you know.....

Only in Africa huh.

quote:

Originally posted by shakari:

quote:

Originally posted by ozhunter:
Your joking right???
TIA

Nope.

For all that, I'd still rather live in Africa than go back to the UK.

I've just been watching Sky News about an 11 year old kid (Rhys Jones) that was shot by a 16 year old member of a street gang and the more I watched, the more I realised that if I lived there, I'd just feel like a stranger in a strang land. I'd probably feel more at home on Mars that I would there.

quote:

Originally posted by shakari:
Don't you just love it when people get appointed to specialist positions when they don't know which way is up and they then do this kind of shit.

A friend of mine was present at a recent meeting with a bunch of game dept officials, when the newly appointed (lady) head of one particular game dept came out with the following statement: ' I'm new to this, can someone please tell me how much meat a white rhino eats in a day?'

Don'tcha just love it!

Reason #8329 not to visit, lay-over, or otherwise traverse SA til you boyz get that Asylum straightened out...

Steve,

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"I'm new to this, can someone please tell me how much meat a white rhino eats in a day?"

Say it ain't so!

quote:

"and the more I watched, the more I realized that if I lived there, I'd just feel like a stranger in a strange land. I'd probably feel more at home on Mars that I would there."

Welcome to my world Steve. That's why I spend sooo much time on here. It's hard to find people who are as passionate about the outdoors, hunting, and especially African hunting as I am. That's why I can spend hours speaking to a total stranger like they are my best friend if he or she shares my passion. Oh well. For now I'll just have to live my outdoor life vicariously through others until I get my practice going.

Brett

quote:

Originally posted by shakari:
For all that, I'd still rather live in Africa than go back to the UK.

I've just been watching Sky News about an 11 year old kid (Rhys Jones) that was shot by a 16 year old member of a street gang and the more I watched, the more I realised that if I lived there, I'd just feel like a stranger in a strang land. I'd probably feel more at home on Mars that I would there.

Know exactly what you mean these days I get the family to come and visit saves me from going over and getting depressed by the end of the first week.

quote:

Originally posted by shakari:
For all that, I'd still rather live in Africa than go back to the UK.

I've just been watching Sky News about an 11 year old kid (Rhys Jones) that was shot by a 16 year old member of a street gang and the more I watched, the more I realised that if I lived there, I'd just feel like a stranger in a strang land. I'd probably feel more at home on Mars that I would there.

Jip,

Thats why I cant wait to get out of this Sand Pit...
Almost done here...

quote:

Originally posted by shakari:
A friend of mine was present at a recent meeting with a bunch of game dept officials, when the newly appointed (lady) head of one particular game dept came out with the following statement: ' I'm new to this, can someone please tell me how much meat a white rhino eats in a day?'

Don'tcha just love it!

It's OK the White Rhino only eats white meat!

Picture the scene: Senior Game Department Manageress – she was recently appointed as: Deputy Director: Permits - thinking in her office before actually starting to do nothing for the rest of day. [When attempting to think characteristically the index finger of right hand is far up a nostril! Ever hear the story about the beetle?]………..Lets write down some thoughts that flash through her mind:

“How can I steal some of the money from the Department ……..Limpopo Province had good rains this season……… how can I steal some of the money from my medical aid ……………lots of grass for grazing animals ………..how can I steal some of the money from my child’s school fund …………the good grass will help all the cows to be fat and calf well …………. how can I steal some of the money from the Departments’ student training plan ………..because the cows will have many calves I can demand more cows as lobola for my illegitimate daughter from her boyfriend ……….. how can I steal some of the money from the white man ……………this abundance of good grass is a good thing for everyone in the Province …….how can I steal some of the money from the white farmers ………….the white farmers will also do well with all this good grass ……. how can I steal some of the money from the white farmers who get paid below market value for the farms that the Government buy from them ………..how can I steal some of that money ………but most of them are turning to game farming because the minimum farm wages are simply unaffordable ………. how can I steal some of the money paid to these guys ………must use opportunity of a good rain year to steal from white apartheid bastards and give to comrades in the struggle …………how can I steal some of the money earmarked for affirmative action ……… there must be a lot of money in the development fund ………how can I steal some of that money …… the white PH’s pay for leopard CITES permit applications …. how cal I steal some of that money ……. There must be more affirmative action ………. how can I get my daughter’s boyfriend a well paying job for doing nothing ……..”

[At this point in time the index finger is removed from the left nostril, briefly examined visually, and then pushed up the right nostril to steady the beetle.] But let us continue recording the thoughts that flash through her mind:

“How can I steal some of the money from these wealthy white PH’s ……. the good rains will also be good for the leopards as there is lots of grass to eat ….. how can I steal some of the money ……….. maybe I can misuse my Departmental authority to force the white PH’s to give Mandla a job …….. how can I steal some of the money ……….. the white PH’s must employ black partners. There is even an official policy about this …….. how can I steal some of the money ……….. maybe I can force these rich white PH’s to pay me some money under the table …….. how can I steal some of the money ……….. if I were to place a moratorium on the issuing of permits for hunting leopard until the rich white PH’s employ black partners …….. how can I steal some of the money from the Departments’ fund for providing food for endangered animals in time of drought ……….. there is money allocated in this fund under two headings: (i) for grazing and (ii) carnivorous endangered or protected animals …….. how can I steal some of the money ………..hey man, I must be mad, sitting here in my office working so hard it’s an hour to go for tea time. I’m late for tea, just a last quick thought …….. how can I steal some of the money ………..”

She goes off to the tea room. There she discusses the implementation of the affirmative action policy with her niece – who was (in recognition of frequent sexual favours to the Director) - recently appointed as Assistant Director: Black Empowerment Policy.

One full hour after the official end of tea break she gets back into her office to resume doing nothing for the day. First thing, she helps to stabilise that beetle by putting a finger up a randomly chosen nostril. I quote again her thoughts:

“How can I steal some of the money …………. I must do my part to help the Department and Government with it’s BEE policy …….. how can I steal some of the money ……….maybe I can have some of the emergency food delivered to my cousin’s house……… maybe I can have some of the money ………… how much meat can one buy and have delivered to my cousins’ house. He is a butcher and can sell it for me. But he will get a cut too …………………. how can I steal some of the money ……….. I wonder how much meat a white rhino eats in a day ………… how can I steal some of the money ………. I can ask at the meeting this afternoon; someone will know and I can then plan to have an emergency declared to approve the buying of lots of meat ……… how can I steal some of the money ………. But I like the idea of helping Mandla getting a job with a rich white PH: I must really think hard of how I can do that ……… how can I steal some of the money ………”

I do hope some of you now have a better insight into how some decisions are made in the Limpopo Department of Economic Affairs and Tourism.

In good hunting.

Andrew McLaren

quote:

Originally posted by Andrew McLaren:
Picture the scene: Senior Game Department Manageress – she was recently appointed as: Deputy Director: Permits - thinking in her office before actually starting to do nothing for the rest of day. [When attempting to think characteristically the index finger of right hand is far up a nostril! Ever hear the story about the beetle?]………..Lets write down some thoughts that flash through her mind:

“How can I steal some of the money from the Department ……..Limpopo Province had good rains this season……… how can I steal some of the money from my medical aid ……………lots of grass for grazing animals ………

Andrew, you cynical man.

quote:

Originally posted by Andrew McLaren:
“How can I steal some of the money from these wealthy white PH’s ……. the good rains will also be good for the leopards as there is lots of grass to eat ….. how can I steal some of the money ……….. maybe I can misuse my Departmental authority to force the white PH’s to give Mandla a job …….. how can I steal some of the money ……….. the white PH’s must employ black partners. There is even an official policy about this …….. how can I steal some of the money ……….. maybe I can force these rich white PH’s to pay me some money under the table …….. how can I steal some of the money ……….. if I were to place a moratorium on the issuing of permits for hunting leopard until the rich white PH’s employ black partners …….. how can I steal some of the money from the Departments’ fund for providing food for endangered animals in time of drought ……….. there is money allocated in this fund under two headings: (i) for grazing and (ii) carnivorous endangered or protected animals …….. how can I steal some of the money ………..hey man, I must be mad, sitting here in my office working so hard it’s an hour to go for tea time. I’m late for tea, just a last quick thought …….. how can I steal some of the money ………..”Andrew McLaren

Could not have said it any better myself, I feel your pain.

So goes all of Africa. . .

Typical Africa style, I just got news that it was the Minister, Van Chalkwyk, himself that told Charles Maluleke to reverse the Moratorium. Wonder who got hold of the Minister, but Guys be ready, next year we are going to have to be BEE compliant in order to get these permits. We as the industry will have to force the Department to give us the criteria.
For now it looks like we will only know by around mid January if we have CITES permits or not.
Good Luck out there.
Ernest

Dear Members
Just an update re this issue.
The permits have been approved, I got my letters the day before I left for the USA on the 9th of Jan.
If you are interested in a Leopard hunt in RSA, contact your PH and see if he has got his papers.
Good Luck
Ernest

Hire a homie....get a leopard. Wound one and send him in after it...there's some on-job-training.