Check out this link.

http://www.centuryarms.com.au/docs/doubles.html

Looks like a really nice serviceable 450/400-3-1/4 for less than $10K. I might be interested in this if I hadn't decided to collect most of the Fox shotguns available in the US in the past few weeks (at least that's the story I'm hearing around here!)

This is a nice rifle, but has been re-finished from stim to stern! One wonders what the dolling up is hideing, at that price!

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Originally posted by MacD37:


This is a nice rifle, but what does it have to do with a 450/400???

Try this link. On the other page you had to scroll down for the .450/400. And yes, I'd like it in my safe, novice double rifle guy that I am.

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Originally posted by Charles_Helm:

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Originally posted by MacD37:


This is a nice rifle, but what does it have to do with a 450/400???

Try this link. On the other page you had to scroll down for the .450/400. And yes, I'd like it in my safe, novice double rifle guy that I am.

Charles, I spotted it after my first post, and edited my post accordingly. Thanks for the link. the 405 double was very nice, and would make a very nice rifle for North America. The Merkel 375 cased rifle is a buy for someone wanting that chambering in a double rifle. There is about $2800 worth of accessaries with that one, for $8500US !

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Originally posted by MacD37:
Charles, I spotted it after my first post, and edited my post accordingly.

Sorry -- as usual I was too quick to post.

Century Arms has some interesting things. I still wonder if I should have tried to import the Alex Henry falling block .577 BPE they had for so long. Of course I still have guns collecting dust instead of being shot, so I guess the answer is no.

With the last site update being in may, I wonder if it is still available? I've been ogling it for about a month now.

She's a beauty. Like Mac stated a reworked double. I think the absence of a cheek piece makes this rifle a tad over priced. I would be interested to view the barrel flats closely to see what is inscribed there.

Re the cheekpiece:

Yea, maybe to you Rusty, but what about us other 1/12th of the population?

Wronghanded,

JPK

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Originally posted by lee440:
With the last site update being in may, I wonder if it is still available? I've been ogling it for about a month now.

In my limited experience they will respond to an email inquiry - you could always ask.

You are correct. It will be fine for a lefty!

Does "non-ejector" make any difference?

Oops, that picture needs re-sizing!

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Originally posted by Fjold:
Does "non-ejector" make any difference?

Not to me! I always disconnect them anyway on a DGR!

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Originally posted by MacD37:

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Originally posted by Fjold:
Does "non-ejector" make any difference?

Not to me! I always disconnect them anyway on a DGR!

Hmmm, I always thought that people wanted ejectors on DGR's. Doesn't using extractors slow down a reload considerably?

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Originally posted by Fjold:

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Originally posted by MacD37:

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Originally posted by Fjold:
Does "non-ejector" make any difference?

Not to me! I always disconnect them anyway on a DGR!

Hmmm, I always thought that people wanted ejectors on DGR's. Doesn't using extractors slow down a reload considerably?

Frank, it isn't as important today, as it once was, since nobody shoots four or five buffalo, or Elephant in a quick row, in tight cover. That was where this thing started. Especially where Elephant are concerened, the very matalic "PING" of the cases being ejected from the rifle "MARKED" your position to the ESKARIs, and head cow in a group. Many say why is this a matter after fireing two shots? The reason is when the first shots are fired, at animals that are at rest, they don't seem to know what happened, or where it came from. This is because when Ele are feeding in thick bush, they are breaking limbs out of trees, in every dirrection, from one side of the herd, to the other. These limbs breaking sound exactly like rifle shots. Their attention is immediately drawn to the fallen elephant that has just been shot. The "PING" shortly after, zeros in on the reason their buddy has fallen. NOW, you may have a multiple charge!

Today, the thing is, you don't want to have to shoot more than one of the very expensive animals, without haveing the opertunity to judge his trophy quality, not to mention haveing to save your life. The drill is, in close quarters, to fire one well placed shot, and break to reload that barrel, so if the crap hits the fan, you have both barrels loaded, and wait to see what if anything is going to happen.

All this is less of a concern with DUGABOY hunting, as, in most cases, the ones not hit run, but not always, sometimes you will have one stand guard over his fallen mate. If you remain still, he will usually leave shortly, but if he sees, or hears you at close range, he's likely to take you on. You my have to kill him whether you want him or not!

The place I see a real need for ejectors is when tracking a pride of lion. Shoot the head of house hold, and his ladies may take exception. If so you will likely get a multiple charge, so even if you down the old boy with the first shot, you need a full rifle VERY QUICKLY, and maybe again, soon!

The double rifle without ejectors breaks, and closes very smoothly, and quietly, but you are right, if I had to do without only one thing most doubles have, it would be an auto safety. I can live with ejectors, but not with an auto safety, or single trigger, on DGR double rifle! That's just me, and that is the way the oldtimers told me to set my doubles up. I believe they knew more than me, so that is the way I've always done it! Personal preference, for sure, and others may do as it suits them, I have no problem with that!

Thanks, I learn something new everyday here.

I had heard about the elephants zeroing in on the "Ping" before but I have a tendency to lump all DG into one basket.

I can see now that I'll have to buy two doubles, one with ejectors and one without. Oh happy days!

Fjold
My 9,3x74R has ejectors, my 450/400 3 1/4" has ejectors, my 450 No2 has extractors. Most of the time the ejectors are a nusiance, I spend more time trying not to loose the rounds from the ejector rifles. With the extractor rifle I will place the emptys in my pocket unless I am in a hurry, then I just drop them at my feet, and pick them up later.

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Originally posted by MacD37:
Frank, it isn't as important today, as it once was, since nobody shoots four or five buffalo, .... in a quick row, in tight cover. ....

Talk for yourself mate! Well I have to admit they aren't African buffalo.

PS I found ejectors cool when shooting four or five buffalo in a row.



Maybe not close cover though too.

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Originally posted by NitroX:

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Originally posted by MacD37:
Frank, it isn't as important today, as it once was, since nobody shoots four or five buffalo, .... in a quick row, in tight cover. ....

Talk for yourself mate! Well I have to admit they aren't African buffalo.

PS I found ejectors cool when shooting four or five buffalo in a row.



Maybe not close cover though too.

Point made!

A double with ejectors is so much faster to reload than an extractor gun it isn't even a comparison.

I won't have a DGR without ejectors. Period.

So my question to the anti "ping" crowd is this.

If these animals are so qued in to your ejector ping wouldn't they also be zoned in to the noise created by cycling your bolt?
How about your brass hitting the ground?

I just don't find the whole "ping" argument to hold any water.

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Originally posted by surestrike:

So my question to the anti "ping" crowd is this.

If these animals are so qued in to your ejector ping wouldn't they also be zoned in to the noise created by cycling your bolt?

I just don't find the whole "ping" argument to hold any water.

They (ele) are zoned in by any matalic sound, the bolt more so than the ping IMO!
Surestrike, there is no law that says you have to have extractors on your DGR, and It is the one thing, I can live with of the things I uaully do not have on my DGR doubles, since I don't hunt Elephant. Buffalo are not so touchy, and the sounds, usually, only make them run away.

The things I will not compromise on, are a single trigger, and an auto safety, but I'd like all my doubles to have the selector switch like a Heym 88 I used to have. This switch disengaged the ejectors when not needed. I always buy a double with ejectors if I can, then disconnect. The reason for this is, when it is time to sell or trade, I might be dealing with a guy like you, and the re-engaged ejectors may make the deal. As you say, you will not have a DGR double without ejectors! I say that is YOUR choice, however it is not mine!

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Originally posted by MacD37:

They (ele) are zoned in by any matalic sound, the bolt more so than the ping IMO!
Surestrike, there is no law that says you have to have extractors on your DGR, and It is the one thing, I can live with of the things I uaully do not have on my DGR doubles, since I don't hunt Elephant. Buffalo are not so touchy, and the sounds, usually, only make them run away.

The things I will not compromise on, are a single trigger, and an auto safety, but I'd like all my doubles to have the selector switch like a Heym 88 I used to have. This switch disengaged the ejectors when not needed. I always buy a double with ejectors if I can, then disconnect. The reason for this is, when it is time to sell or trade, I might be dealing with a guy like you, and the re-engaged ejectors may make the deal. As you say, you will not have a DGR double without ejectors! I say that is YOUR choice, however it is not mine!

I've done a bit of elephant hunting but am by no means an expert. I've also shot some buffalo and also am not an expert. To each their own on what they prefer.

I haven't ever found the ejector ping to be a problem while hunting elephant. In fact the only place I've ever heard it was in Taylor's book and he didn't like ejectors because he was trying to score on multiple elephants from a single heard. Something you or I will probably never do.

I do know how I like a rifle to be set up and I agree with you on everything including the ejector cut off. That is a nice option to have.

When amongst elephants or buffalo I like to be able to reload fast. By the time the "ping" happens all hell has already broken loose anyway. So ping away.

You know it's kind of refreshing to have an exchange of ideas without some "expert" shouting dogmatic bullcrap at you every other post. I'm not rying to tell you what to do I'm just offering the other side of this argument.

For the record I prefer extractors....On all of my guns!

But, let me say why...Skeet, Sporting clays, Ranch litter, general effieciency ,easier cocking, etc...

RE DG: No expert here, but knowing I was facing potentially dangerous game this past summer, I trained myself to become fairly proficeint at shooting and reloading with a DR equipped with extractors....Funny thing; when actually faced with a point-blank charge, one of the comments by our game scout (a 30 year vet) was about how fast I had reloaded and fired again...Not bragging, just making a point about preparedness and the fact that if you train with ANY rifle you will be good enough for most of the tasks presented!

Ejectors, extractors...Either version; Practice, practice, practice!!!

JW