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I just got a certified letter from the US Dept. of the Interior stating they were seizing my baboon skull & skin under the Lacey Act. I didn't think there was any problem bringing a baboon into the US from Tanzania. I have Coppersmith looking into this - they cleared my other trophies through customs. Has anyone else had any problem getting a baboon through customs? | ||
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MHC, Did the Custom's letter have a reference or event number in it...you should call them and asked them for what reason? The Lacey Act is pretty broad but the first step is to understand what they belive the violation is... Mike Never under estimate the internet community's ability to reply to your post with their personal rant about their tangentially related, single occurrence issue. ![]() What I have learned on AR, since 2001: 1. The proper answer to: Where is the best place in town to get a steak dinner? is…You should go to Mel's Diner and get the fried chicken. 2. Big game animals can tell the difference between .015 of an inch in diameter, 15 grains of bullet weight, and 150 fps. 3. There is a difference in the performance of two identical projectiles launched at the same velocity if they came from different cartridges. 4. While a double rifle is the perfect DGR, every 375HH bolt gun needs to be modified to carry at least 5 down. 5. While a floor plate and detachable box magazine both use a mechanical latch, only the floor plate latch is reliable. Disregard the fact that every modern military rifle uses a detachable box magazine. 6. The Remington 700 is unreliable regardless of the fact it is the basis of the USMC M40 sniper rifle for 40+ years with no changes to the receiver or extractor and is the choice of more military and law enforcement sniper units than any other rifle. 7. PF actions are not suitable for a DGR and it is irrelevant that the M1, M14, M16, & AK47 which were designed for hunting men that can shoot back are all PF actions. 8. 95 deg F in Africa is different than 95 deg F in TX or CA and that is why you must worry about ammunition temperature in Africa (even though most safaris take place in winter) but not in TX or in CA. 9. The size of a ding in a gun's finish doesn't matter, what matters is whether it’s a safe ding or not. 10. 1 in a row is a trend, 2 in a row is statistically significant, and 3 in a row is an irrefutable fact. 11. Never buy a WSM or RCM cartridge for a safari rifle or your go to rifle in the USA because if they lose your ammo you can't find replacement ammo but don't worry 280 Rem, 338-06, 35 Whelen, and all Weatherby cartridges abound in Africa and back country stores. 12. A well hit animal can run 75 yds. in the open and suddenly drop with no initial blood trail, but the one I shot from 200 yds. away that ran 10 yds. and disappeared into a thicket and was not found was lost because the bullet penciled thru. I am 100% certain of this even though I have no physical evidence. 13. A 300 Win Mag is a 500 yard elk cartridge but a 308 Win is not a 300 yard elk cartridge even though the same bullet is travelling at the same velocity at those respective distances. | |||
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Wow, I believe my first call would be to an attorney. | |||
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M16, That is honestly how you waste money. Call customs it may be a misunderstanding. While I have tremendous respect for the service attorneys provide...there is no reason to pay $300 an hour to someone to find out what the problems is...if you need one better to pay them to fix the problem. Mike Never under estimate the internet community's ability to reply to your post with their personal rant about their tangentially related, single occurrence issue. ![]() What I have learned on AR, since 2001: 1. The proper answer to: Where is the best place in town to get a steak dinner? is…You should go to Mel's Diner and get the fried chicken. 2. Big game animals can tell the difference between .015 of an inch in diameter, 15 grains of bullet weight, and 150 fps. 3. There is a difference in the performance of two identical projectiles launched at the same velocity if they came from different cartridges. 4. While a double rifle is the perfect DGR, every 375HH bolt gun needs to be modified to carry at least 5 down. 5. While a floor plate and detachable box magazine both use a mechanical latch, only the floor plate latch is reliable. Disregard the fact that every modern military rifle uses a detachable box magazine. 6. The Remington 700 is unreliable regardless of the fact it is the basis of the USMC M40 sniper rifle for 40+ years with no changes to the receiver or extractor and is the choice of more military and law enforcement sniper units than any other rifle. 7. PF actions are not suitable for a DGR and it is irrelevant that the M1, M14, M16, & AK47 which were designed for hunting men that can shoot back are all PF actions. 8. 95 deg F in Africa is different than 95 deg F in TX or CA and that is why you must worry about ammunition temperature in Africa (even though most safaris take place in winter) but not in TX or in CA. 9. The size of a ding in a gun's finish doesn't matter, what matters is whether it’s a safe ding or not. 10. 1 in a row is a trend, 2 in a row is statistically significant, and 3 in a row is an irrefutable fact. 11. Never buy a WSM or RCM cartridge for a safari rifle or your go to rifle in the USA because if they lose your ammo you can't find replacement ammo but don't worry 280 Rem, 338-06, 35 Whelen, and all Weatherby cartridges abound in Africa and back country stores. 12. A well hit animal can run 75 yds. in the open and suddenly drop with no initial blood trail, but the one I shot from 200 yds. away that ran 10 yds. and disappeared into a thicket and was not found was lost because the bullet penciled thru. I am 100% certain of this even though I have no physical evidence. 13. A 300 Win Mag is a 500 yard elk cartridge but a 308 Win is not a 300 yard elk cartridge even though the same bullet is travelling at the same velocity at those respective distances. | |||
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I have a call into Coppersmith - that is what I payed them to do or at least that's what I thought I payed them for. Yes, there was a reference # and I passed that on to Coppersmith - we will see what happens. Just wondering if anyone else has had a problem bringing baboons into the US? | |||
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About three years our shipment got held up because someone in our combined shipment (you could still do that then) had baboon things. The was a delay while paperwork was done with the Center For Disease Control in Atlanta. Was told baboon stuff is coming under increased scrutiny upon importation into the US due to concerns of exotic diseases. Maybe that is the rub with your shipment...they saw baboon parts and no CDC paperwork so they seized it. | |||
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To bring in Baboon or Monkey parts, you have to have a CDC permit. If you didn't have one, that's probably the problem. Shouldn't be too big of a problem to fix via Coppersmith. Mac | |||
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Please keep us informed. As I will be hunting them soon. | |||
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There may be more to this than meets the eye as Baboons cannot be shot in Tanzania, therefore you may be in for even more trouble. I believe they are a non hunted protected species or so I have been told.. From Zim or RSA it requires a permit and the outfitter or taxidermist always takes care of that, and if there is a problem they go back to the outfitter not to the hunter for the proper documentation, they ship to you..... Ray Atkinson Atkinson Hunting Adventures 10 Ward Lane, Filer, Idaho, 83328 208-731-4120 rayatkinsonhunting@gmail.com | |||
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Not shooting baboons is like protecting rats. I wonder what the purpose could be. | |||
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That is my understanding and why I suggested contacting an attorney.
I certainly would "waste" the money if there was even a possibility that charges could be filed. Whatever you do don't talk to any government agent without an attorney present. It is less expensive to have an attorney "handle the situation" rather than "fix" the problem. I hope your situation ends well. | |||
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I got to thinking about this and checked with Pierre, and somewhere I got off the mark with some bad information.... Baboons CAN be shot in Tanzania, but only on 16 and 21 day hunts... Sorry. Ray Atkinson Atkinson Hunting Adventures 10 Ward Lane, Filer, Idaho, 83328 208-731-4120 rayatkinsonhunting@gmail.com | |||
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I shot the baboon on a 21-day hunt, so no problem there (as far as being legal to take). I talked to Coppersmith on Friday and they told me the holdup was in getting a permit from the Center of Disease Control. Coppersmith said to go ahead and respond to the certified letter and they would take care of getting the permit for the baboon. Coppersmith said they would call me when they were shipping it on to my taxidermist. | |||
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MHC_TX, In that letter from the government, what section of the Lacey Act did they say was violated? Section 3372(b) Section 3372(d) Section 3372(a) Regards, Terry ![]() Msasi haogopi mwiba [A hunter is not afraid of thorns] | |||
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MHC, Not uncommon, and all will clear...I have had this same problem on several ocassions, but not in Tanzania..In both RSA and Zimbabwe..It is just a week or so hold up... It happened to me on a Baboon skull we picked up and it was several years old, still required a permit and held up shipment until a permit could be picked up.... Ray Atkinson Atkinson Hunting Adventures 10 Ward Lane, Filer, Idaho, 83328 208-731-4120 rayatkinsonhunting@gmail.com | |||
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