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IVAN CARTER'S DOUBLE ON TAA
02 April 2013, 01:57
jorgeIVAN CARTER'S DOUBLE ON TAA
Ivan: on the latest episode where you and your client take a FINE bull elephant, what double where you guys carrying? I noticed your ammo belt and the bullets looked like 450NEs or maybe 450#2? How about your client?
USN (ret)
DRSS Verney-Carron 450NE
Cogswell & Harrison 375 Fl NE
Sabatti Big Five 375 FL Magnum NE
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NRA Life Member
02 April 2013, 08:47
Use Enough GunHey jorge: I think Ivan carries a Heym 600 NE, does he not? Hector is also an attorney with us here in Vegas and Bwanna and I plan to have lunch with him in the near future. We'll report back on any details.

02 April 2013, 08:51
MartyAnd here I thought you meant a stunt double.

02 April 2013, 10:19
N E 450 No2Ivan has a Heym 450 Nitro, that he has used for several years.
He also has a Heym 600 Nitro.
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02 April 2013, 10:41
malekDidn't he use a 577 at some point?
Best regards
Malek
Good shooting/hunting and God's best.
Best regards
Malek
Good Hunting/Shooting and God's best.
02 April 2013, 16:34
jorgeUEG & 450; Correct on both points. I've seen Ivan's 600 at DSC and there's no mistaking those fat shells even on the TV! On this show however, there's no way those were 600NE cartridges on his belt. 450, you refreshed my memory as when I ordered my double, Ivan mentioned and recommended a 450NE. Anyhow looking forward to your confirmation Vaughn and do extend my congratulations to Mr. Carvajal on his superb elephant. jorge
USN (ret)
DRSS Verney-Carron 450NE
Cogswell & Harrison 375 Fl NE
Sabatti Big Five 375 FL Magnum NE
DSC Life Member
NRA Life Member
02 April 2013, 17:53
safari-lawyerThe 450NE has an ornate elephant opener, which I definitely noticed on this episode.
Will J. Parks, III
02 April 2013, 20:42
McKayquote:
Originally posted by malek:
Didn't he use a 577 at some point?
Best regards
Malek
Good shooting/hunting and God's best.
I believe he told me he had a 577 california Rigby at some point. Maybe still does. I have not seen him hunt with it on the shows though.
Mac
03 April 2013, 01:46
MacD37quote:
Originally posted by McKay:
quote:
Originally posted by malek:
Didn't he use a 577 at some point?
Best regards
Malek
Good shooting/hunting and God's best.
I believe he told me he had a 577 california Rigby at some point. Maybe still does. I have not seen him hunt with it on the shows though.
Like you I think he had a 577NE double at one time, don't know what brand! However I know he now has his old now restored 450NE Heym with the elephant head top lever, and a new Heym 600NE that is mounted with a RMR trijicon sight. What ever double he has in his hands I can guarantee you he knows how, and when to use it!
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"If I die today, I've had a life well spent, for I've been to see the Elephant, and smelled the smoke of Africa!"~ME 1982
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03 April 2013, 02:01
Use Enough Gun+1

04 April 2013, 06:30
malekIf I recall correctly he had used it in Boddington on elephant DVD, but I can’t seem to find it to confirm, wonder where my girls put it!!!!
Best regards
Malek
Good shooting/hunting and God's best.
Best regards
Malek
Good Hunting/Shooting and God's best.
05 April 2013, 22:55
Use Enough GunThe story on the reasons for restoring Ivan's Heym is a great story in and of itself!

06 April 2013, 00:42
MacD37quote:
Originally posted by Use Enough Gun:
The story on the reasons for restoring Ivan's Heym is a great story in and of itself!
That is a neat story of it's loss in the river, and the three day diving operation to reclaim it. However he hunted with that rifle for some years before it was restored to new condition. When he got his new Heym 600NE double he had them totally re-do the 450NE!
When Chris told me Ivan had ordered the new 600NE I asked if I could buy the 450NE un-restored, and was told he was going to keep it. I really wanted that rifle, but I wanted it in it's un-restored condition!
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....Mac >>>===(x)===> MacD37, ...and DUGABOY1
DRSS Charter member
"If I die today, I've had a life well spent, for I've been to see the Elephant, and smelled the smoke of Africa!"~ME 1982
Hands of Old Elmer Keith
06 April 2013, 02:20
Use Enough GunWould have made a great conversation piece, as well as a great DR!

I remember the Heym "River" ad with Ivan's story.

06 April 2013, 03:04
Tim FerrallI was fortunate enough to hear Ivan's story of the river search for the .450 personally last year in Zim. I asked him about crocs, and he said there were none in that stretch of river. Not sure whether that was the cold hard truth, or whether it was one of those, "I don't want my wife to find out what really happened." stories that we all have to tell sometimes! A great story, nonetheless, from a man gifted at telling stories.
Cheers,
Tim
06 April 2013, 17:25
BockhunterYes, the double rifle from Ian has an great Story...
06 April 2013, 18:45
MacD37quote:
Originally posted by Dr. FM:
I have the complete story and all photos of the restauration of Ivan .450 NE Heym.
The rifle is caryfully restaurartet, so that it still keeps its charme...
I dont know if it is allowed to post that pictures...
Best wishes.
FM
Dr. FM, It is allowed here to post pictures of rifles,if proper credit is given for the pictures, unless HEYM or Ivan Carter objects to them being posted.
Personally I think Heym and Ivan Carter would gain much advertisment from their being posted here!
Please do post them!
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DRSS Charter member
"If I die today, I've had a life well spent, for I've been to see the Elephant, and smelled the smoke of Africa!"~ME 1982
Hands of Old Elmer Keith
13 April 2013, 02:13
ivan carterdr FM feel free to post whatever pucs ...gents i have a heym 450 3.25 that i use and have used for the last 13 or so years - i also have my newer heym jumbo in 600NE. indeed i have a california rigby in 577.
thank you for the interest !
13 April 2013, 04:48
jorgeBout time you showed up and set us straight!

You know Ivan, YOU are partly to blame for me ordering my double in 450NE and I THANK YOU sir!

USN (ret)
DRSS Verney-Carron 450NE
Cogswell & Harrison 375 Fl NE
Sabatti Big Five 375 FL Magnum NE
DSC Life Member
NRA Life Member
13 April 2013, 04:54
retreeverI'm smiling at all the comments here. I still remember reading, I believe about the rescuing that 450 from the Zambezi. If lost it would join Ian Nachyens 450#2 lost after a hippo capsized the boat.
Mike
Michael Podwika... DRSS bigbores and hunting
www.pvt.co.za " MAKE THE SHOT " 450#2 Famars
13 April 2013, 09:51
ivan carterquote:
You know Ivan, YOU are partly to blame for me ordering my double in 450NE and I THANK YOU sir!

my pleasure jorge !
13 April 2013, 12:10
PD999Hi Ivan,
I really enjoy your shows; you're a true inspiration!
Could I please ask your reason for moving UP from the 577NE to the Heym 600NE?
I noticed another PH (M.S.) recently moved DOWN from a 600NE to a Heym 577NE!
Many thanks, stay safe,
Peter
Dr.FM: chime in too!
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13 April 2013, 12:38
ExpressYourselfquote:
Originally posted by PD999:
Hi Ivan,
I really enjoy your shows; you're a true inspiration!
Could I please ask your reason for moving UP from the 577NE to the Heym 600NE?
I noticed another PH (M.S.) recently moved DOWN from a 600NE to a Heym 577NE!
Many thanks, stay safe,
Peter
Dr.FM: chime in too!
Peter,
I will let Ivan answer your question but I had an item of information to share with you. Mark has hunted with many big bore doubles as you know.
While he greatly enjoys, and has hunted with the Heym .577 NE he has also hunted prior to that with the .600 NE. It is my understanding that Heym is currently building a new .600 NE for Mark.
These are both great stopping rifles that each have their benefits and personalities.
Cheers,
Shawn
13 April 2013, 12:58
Bockhunter ...feel free to post whatever pucs ...Okay, Ivan.
I go to sports now, later on I look at my archive.
Best wishes from Germany.
13 April 2013, 19:20
ivan carterthanks frank , ihope that you are well and i hope also to see you in germany later in the year .....
14 April 2013, 13:12
BockhunterHi friends,
I had found the pictures.
:-)
See here please:
http://forums.accuratereloadin...571009781#8571009781Best wishes.
14 April 2013, 14:41
PD999Thanks Frank for a great report and thanks also to Ivan for his permission to post!
Regarding the choice of 577NE and 600NE calibers, do you have any more information?

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14 April 2013, 16:34
BockhunterI had all the infos for the .600 Heym from Ivan.
Great making of photos.
I need the okay form Ivan, than I can post them in 3 weeks.
(Because we are very busy now.)
And I want to ask Ivan, why he dont have an elephant head on this rifle too.
(Like on his .450, witch is his trademark now...)
I think we must "correct" that...
:-)
Best wishes.
14 April 2013, 17:30
PD999quote:
Originally posted by Dr. FM:
I need the okay form Ivan, than I can post them in 3 weeks.
Thanks Frank; we're all looking forward to it

And I agree that the Elephant Head is fantastic!
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14 April 2013, 17:58
ivan carterfunny ! yes indeed frank "we" do need to correct that !!!!- you write the check , i will talk to thomas

14 April 2013, 21:36
BockhunterYes, "we" can do it, you will come as my guest and I will talk to T.W.
:-)
I think there is an way...
I know two engravers here, witch have three in the workingprocess.
Best wishes.