I have noticed a few of these offered on some websites. My question is, are they for mature non-trophy animals that don't make the record book[ie: SCI, RW]. Or are they for sub adult, immature animals. If they are for mature animals that don't make the book, looks like a good deal may be had for say a father/son team that wants the African experience, but isn't interested in the record book. Any thoughts appreciated.

Mad Dog

Mad Dog,

My impression was that they are for mature, non trophy animals that are needing to be culled either for genetic reasons or carrying capacity.

Most of those hunts will let you take some trophy quality animals as well. If that is part of the deal, then go..........

This hunt below is for the best animals we can get, as it is fair chase hunting on foot,...trophies or not. It is not a cull hunt as such.

You will struggle to beat that for price. I can addd a Bushbuck for $300.00, a mountain Reedbuck for $250.00 and a Bushpig for a $120.00 and say, "will you shoot all these species in Namibia"

And yes Sir they are perfect for a husband and wife or father and son hunt, something I relish....


7 Days Plains Game hunting in South Africa for the following animals:

1x Kudu Bull
1x Red Hartbeest Bull OR Blue Wildebeest Bull
1x Zebra
1x Impala Ram
1x Blesbuck Ram
1x Warthog
1x Duiker Ram (common)

$4950.00 excluding airfare and taxidermy cost.
Including all else.

1x1 Hunt

info@inifnito-safaris.com

Mad dog,

W.T Jeffrey ( I think ) has a cull hunt in Namibia listed for 22 plus animals. Pack your rifles mate

Mad dog, yes they are normally for mature non trophy animals taht needs culling. The one I am offering are for 12 springbok in the Kalahari (of which at least one will be a 13" plus trophy, just to sweeten the deal), 2 gemsbok, of which at least one will be trophy bull, and a trophy kudu bull, all for US$ 3000, inclusive of dayfees. (The kudu and gemsbok don't need culling, I just add them to make it a good deal). The catch is, thats for a minimum of 4 hunters. For 2 hunters only, its US$ 3600, and for 1 hunter alone, its US$ 4000. Thats for a 10 day trip, to give you a very good oppertunity to shoot all your animals. So you are basically just paying a dayfee, but hunt a total of 15 animals as well....

Hi,

You might want to check with TG Sfaris (link below) as Tino has some good quality hunts on the management side.

Mad Dog

Blair is correct we offer some great management hunt opportunites. These are mature non trophy animals, except the ones we include as a bonus for each species.

22 animals total, 5 days, $5050 inclusive. The package may be split by 2 hunters for only $2525 each hunter.

Includes 14 springbuck (2 trophy quality)
6 gemsbuck (2 trophy quality)
2 steenbuck (both trophy quality)

See this link on my site:

http://www.tjsafari.com/KHS-4.cfm

A number of guys from this forum have been on this hunt and loved it!

You can also see the original post I did on this at this link:

https://forums.accuratereloading.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/1411043/m/362108064

Get in touch if you have any questions.

Todd

Mad Dog,

Both Todd and Karl's hunts are great deals

Don't forget to take some cleaning gear for your rifles, you'll need it!

Blair.

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Mad dog, yes they are normally for mature non trophy animals taht needs culling.

Every Hunting Outfitter may have his own meaning to thw words 'herd management hunt.'

Note the word "normally" - not always, but normally. I quite agree with Karl S on this.

Any hunt termed a 'herd management hunt' with Andrew McLaren Safaris is exactly that: A hunt during which the Professional Hunter is under very strict instructions from the owner of the herd to shoot only on a very selective manner.

I will gve but a few examples of what such instructions are to illustrate the main point that affects the hunter: The hunter may NOT shoot any animal not specifically pointed out by the Professional Hunter.

(1) The owner of a herd of black wildebeest may tell the Hunting Outfitter something like this: "There are three bulls with the herd of about 50 cows. The one with the biggest body is a young and dominant bull, but he has very small and inferior horns. Shoot him, as I do not want him to pass his genes for inferior horns on into my herd. DO NOT shoot the smaller bodied bull with the very big horns, I want to keep on breeding from him for a few more years. If you allow your client to shoot him, the trophy fee doubles, so make sure of what your client is shooting at." Now, if hunting is all about tape measured length for you, you should NOT book for such a unt! You will be very frustrated by not being allowed to shoot the biggest that there is in the herd.

(2) The same owner may tell the PH something like this: "There is a small herd of about 12 cows that keeps in the north-western corner of the fenced area. The herd bull has very nice horns, big age-worn bosses and blunted tips, but he seems to be sterile, as I've not seen any calfs with this herd of cows since he took over the herd. Do not hunt any territorial bull, but please go and see if your client can get this sterile bull." Here you may see a perfectly good territorial bull while walking towards to NW corner. You PH will however tells you to pass up the opportunity, to go and search for another bull. In the hypothetical example that I've just given a good bull, old and really a good trophy. But, his actual tape measure score may be less than the one that you've passed up.

(3) A third example may be on a gemsbok hunt. Few people know, and even many PH's don't know, that a gemsbok bull with only one horn almost invariably wins the fight with a two-horned male! He kills them! The owner of the gemsbok herd may have told the PH: "There is a one-horned bull that is killing my other bulls. Shoot him, before you hunt any other bull on my property." Now if you happen to be the first hunter taken to that area, I do hope that your Hunting Outfitter has very clearly explained to you the thing about herd management hunt for gemsbok!

(4) The following often happens with high-fenced kudu hunting areas. The owner may tell the Hunting Outfitter during their negotiations something like: "I have far too many young kudu bulls. If the current drought continues they are going to out-compete with my more drought sensitive older bulls. This year I will only allow you to hunt kudu of which the horn tips still point inward. NAy old kudu with horn tips pointing outwards may not be hunted." No right thinking Hunting Outfitter is going to book a client who expressed a particular desire for a very good kudu on such a concession! But, there are many hunters who would love to shoot a "mature, but still young" kudu [horn tips point inwards] for a low trophy fee. That will be a herd-management hunt.

(5) I know of a PH that was told: “Go shoot one of the young eland bulls.†It is very easy to know when an eland bull is still young, and when he is getting on in age. Now a young eland bull does not have the characteristic tuft of dark hair between the horns that the old bulls have. So our PH did exactly that and shot a 40†eland! That is the one that the ranch owner wanted to keep to breed those fantastic long horn genes into his herd! The mere fact that the PH admitted that he had not even considered the horn length, he saw: Big body, no tuft of dark hair = nice big young bull, and let him have it, makes me forgive him! He can be glad the ranch owner did not have a ‘sliding scale trophy fee structure!â€


The one-horned gemsbok example is not really a good one, but serves to help illustrate the point that when you book a herd management hunt, at significantly lower trophy fees, you are just helping to manage the herd. If the client does not shoot that one-horned gemsbok the owner is likely to take his rifle and go and do it himself! [If he knows about the lethality of a one horned gemsbok bull.]

If, however you booked a "Trophy Hunt", and are prepared to pay the higher trophy fees, in every single one of the above mentioned examples you have the right to say: "No, I want that one!" Naturally I will not send a PH and "Trophy Hunting" client to seek for a trophy black wildebeest from a herd where I know that there is a restriction on the "biggest" or even on one of the big ones.

There is nothing wrong with hunting a "herd management hunt for, say "kudu" and a "trophy hunt" for many other species on the same area. As long as the hunting client clearly knows, and it is written into the Remuneration Agreement, that he may select the biggest of species X, Y and Z, but that he will NOT be allowed to hunt a full trophy kudu, i.e. one old enough to have the horn tips pointing outwards. He may even be lucky and get a 57" young kudu with horn tips still pointing inwards.

My last bit of advice: Heed Terry Carr's advice: "If it is important to you, have it in the contract!"

In good hunting.

Andrew McLaren

Thanks Andrew, for putting it in perspective. However, most of the hunt (as offered by myself) will be done on huge, free ranging areas (fenced, but not so that most animals cannot escape). The one property has in excess of a 1200 mature springbok, and some of them are not the best in trophy quality (though still bigger than most springbok shot in RSA, especially Karoo and Freestate region. ) We want to take out at least 250 of these springbok, which should increase our trophy potential. Just as a matter of interest, here is a photo of a ram shot on that property, THOUGH NOT ON A CULL!!!

Andrew,

Your post was very informative and I have had the opportunity to cull some animals whilst on trophy hunts.

The emphasis was always: "You will ONLY shoot what I tell you to shoot". Never had a problem, as I understood the reasons for the culling and even had the landowner explain what he wanted done on occasion.

I had the story on the one horned Gemsbok bull explained to me as well. I find this sort of thing fascinating.......................

The other point is that it can be a very RELAXING hunt, as trophy quality is not in the equation, exactly the opposite. No pressure.

And your average Aussie is used to shooting lots of animals, so it feels like home. Only BETTER

Regards,

Blair.

Karl,

That is a hell of a Springbok!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Regards,

blair.

Blair, yes it was quite an exceptional springbok.