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Got the trip booked, and am wondering how my Win. Mdl 70 300WSM with 180gr bullets will do for me on Kudu,gemsbok, mt. zebra and eland. Can't imagine it doesn't have the snot to do the job if I do mine. SP | ||
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I am one of the few people on this forum that has used a .300WSM with 180gr. bullets for PG. You are 100% correct, if you do your job and place the bullet in a vital zone, the animal will die fast- even Eland or Zebra are no match for the 300 WSM. They will go down quick! All of my Plains Game were ONE SHOT kills. NONE moved out of sight -NONE more than 10-20 yards- including Gemsbok, Black Wildebeest and Red Haartebeest (all three considered to be tough). I used the 180gr. Trophy Bonded Bear Claw bullets (TBBCs) and I would suggest that you use a similarly constructed bullet (TBBC, North Fork, TSX, A-frame) for your hunting adventure. Furthest shot (on Black Wildebeest) for me was over 200 yards and the bullet completely penetrated the animal. Closest shot was about 85 yards- same result. It is the virtual equivalent of the 300 Win Mag factory loaded. Bring a bigger gun (338 or 375) if you want to BUT there is no one on this board that will tell you that the ".300" is not enough gun for even Eland or Zebra. In fact, I have seen Eland killed very quickly with a 30-06 using standard factory ammo. | |||
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I used a 30-06 with 180gr TBBCs on our trip to Namibia and my wife used a .270win with 130gr Xs. I took a kudu, a gemsbok, a springbok and a blue wildebeest, LaRita took a gemsbok and a springbok. Last year in South Africa I used a 300wsm with 200gr XTSs and LaRita used the same ol .270win this time with 150gr Xs. I took a zebra, an impala, a diker and 2 blue wildebeest. Did I say I like hunting wildebeest. LaRita took a warthog and a blesbok. The only thing on your menu that worries me is the Eland, I've seen them but never hunted them and they are BIG. I just bought a 375H&H and thats what I plan on using for Eland. On the other hand, if I hadn't bought the 375 I'd load some 200gr XTS and go hunting. Just use a good bullet and make the first shot count, you'll do fine. Have fun and post some photos  ______________________ | |||
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I am curious...would you ask the same question of a 300 Win Mag, a 300 H&H, a 300 Dakota, a 300 Weatherby... Because all of those cartridges push a 180 grn bullet at 2900-3000 fps...and a 180 grn 30 cal projectile is the same once it leaves the bbl regardless of what cartridge launched it.. The short answer is yes it will be fine Mike Legistine actu? Quid scripsi? Never under estimate the internet community's ability to reply to your post with their personal rant about their tangentially related, single occurrence issue.  What I have learned on AR, since 2001: 1. The proper answer to: Where is the best place in town to get a steak dinner? is…You should go to Mel's Diner and get the fried chicken. 2. Big game animals can tell the difference between .015 of an inch in diameter, 15 grains of bullet weight, and 150 fps. 3. There is a difference in the performance of two identical projectiles launched at the same velocity if they came from different cartridges. 4. While a double rifle is the perfect DGR, every 375HH bolt gun needs to be modified to carry at least 5 down. 5. While a floor plate and detachable box magazine both use a mechanical latch, only the floor plate latch is reliable. Disregard the fact that every modern military rifle uses a detachable box magazine. 6. The Remington 700 is unreliable regardless of the fact it is the basis of the USMC M40 sniper rifle for 40+ years with no changes to the receiver or extractor and is the choice of more military and law enforcement sniper units than any other rifle. 7. PF actions are not suitable for a DGR and it is irrelevant that the M1, M14, M16, & AK47 which were designed for hunting men that can shoot back are all PF actions. 8. 95 deg F in Africa is different than 95 deg F in TX or CA and that is why you must worry about ammunition temperature in Africa (even though most safaris take place in winter) but not in TX or in CA. 9. The size of a ding in a gun's finish doesn't matter, what matters is whether it’s a safe ding or not. 10. 1 in a row is a trend, 2 in a row is statistically significant, and 3 in a row is an irrefutable fact. 11. Never buy a WSM or RCM cartridge for a safari rifle or your go to rifle in the USA because if they lose your ammo you can't find replacement ammo but don't worry 280 Rem, 338-06, 35 Whelen, and all Weatherby cartridges abound in Africa and back country stores. 12. A well hit animal can run 75 yds. in the open and suddenly drop with no initial blood trail, but the one I shot from 200 yds. away that ran 10 yds. and disappeared into a thicket and was not found was lost because the bullet penciled thru. I am 100% certain of this even though I have no physical evidence. 13. A 300 Win Mag is a 500 yard elk cartridge but a 308 Win is not a 300 yard elk cartridge even though the same bullet is travelling at the same velocity at those respective distances. | |||
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Smoke, I took kudu, impala, bushbuck and springbuck with my 300WSM in RSA last May. I was using 180gr Trophy Bonded Bear Claws. The kudu and impala dropped in their tracks, the sprinbuck ran about 20 yards and the bushbuck dropped with my follow-up shot. I shot my gemsbok and zebra with a 375 H&H but would not have hesitated to take them with the 300WSM. Good luck and have a great safari!! | |||
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I have taken 36 head of game on my last 3 trips to Africa with my 300 mag, it will do the job right if you do yours. Placement is everything. I did tho use some 220 solids on my Eland, everything else was 180 grain. On a frontal shot at 50 yards it stood him up on his haunches and put him straight over backwards with both horns stuck in the ground. Youv'e got a great gun there. Global Sportsmen Outfitters, LLC Bob Cunningham 404-802-2500  | |||
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WSM YIKES !  300 RUM ...oh yeah !  | |||
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ChuckWagon, you gotta see my post in the big game forum. Sounds like you're a type 3 !  | |||
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LOL, sorry mate I dont shoot a 300 what ever. A 30-06 has always been just as good for me and always will be. I do say old boy you do seem to be a type three poster! Now put your measuring stick away and play nice.  For me its either the 30-06 or I take the jump to 375. I did meet with a PH and game lodge owner from Namibia this past weekend. His minimum reccomendation was a 300 although he said all the animals he had taken for his photos were with his 30-06. He did agree the the 375 is an exceptional choice. Like many others have said here his opinion was that the 375 is not difficult to master. I could however always manage a spot in my cabinet for a 300 H&H so I guess that might make me a "Canadian Lefty" type 4....A 300 owner with historical flare ! | |||
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I think Canadian Lefty pretty well summed it up.The 300s, any of them are fine for all plains game. I'd like to offer you my experience with eland just to give you a different perspective. We had been tracking two bulls for about three hours. They always managed to step out of sight at the last minute. Finally, after about a 50 yard crawl (hint: take some good leather gloves) we managed to see the bigger of the two bulls at about 175 yards. The trackers see them first (they are amazing!) then the PH who evaluates and finally one is edged forward for the shot. I ALWAYS ask" how far and which way is he facing?" Well this time, I left out the "which way is he facing part." He was partially hidden by some saplings, but his "shoulder" was plainly visible. I lined up the shot, fired and the bull promptly fell on his haunches with the trackers grabbing their hips and informing the PH that I had shot him in the back! I quickly stepped out and nailed him again at the base of the neck and he went down for good. The moral of the story is that I was using a 375 H&H with 300gr Swifts. My other rifle was a 300 Weatherby with 180gr bullets. We'll never know what would have happened had I shot him with the 300, but I was sure glad I had the 375 that day. My lesson learned was easy: proper shot placement is just about everything! jorge USN (ret) DRSS Verney-Carron 450NE Cogswell & Harrison 375 Fl NE Sabatti Big Five 375 FL Magnum NE DSC Life Member NRA Life Member | |||
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I feel, they are all the same kettle of fish. Just because one is a sawed off rimless, beltless case doesn't change the story from a belted rimeless case at similat velocity. Nothing special about the case the holding the power. velocity is still velocity. Like Allan said , he is a .300 Win Mag guy. I had some bad experience with it early on. (not on game), been using the .300 H&H since '55, I like it, stuck with it except for a short diversion to .3300 Wea. | |||
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