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Dangerous Game, Recoil and Rifle "Effectiveness"
31 August 2006, 21:41
WillDangerous Game, Recoil and Rifle "Effectiveness"
JPK,
You are wound up these days, eh?
Anybody that is about to bounce bullets off of eles using a 458 500 gr. bullet at an anemic 2000 fps should be worried about other things!

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31 August 2006, 21:41
WinkI should also have added that my 404 is a converted Winchester Model 70 action and the box doesn't allow me to go much over the nominal C.O.A.L. In a CZ I would bet you could seat the bullet much further out (and still get a one caliber seating depth) and get more velocity than I do, especially with the longer NorthFork bullets. By the way, original velocities of the 416 Rigby, out of a real 24" inch barrel and not a 28" test barrel, are more like 2250 to 2300fps and not the 2400fps frequently quoted. But some people will claim there is a huge difference between the two calibers. The French reloading manual shows 2270fps at CIP pressures with TU 8000 (a very slow powder) for a 400 grain bullet in 416 Rigby. If anybody has ever measured the speed of a Norma factory made 416 Rigby cartridge in their rifle I would love to know what the velocity was. So, if a factory 416 Rigby gives 2270fps and my 404 handloads give 2200fps, we are not talking about a world of difference at 50 to 75 yards, except that the 404 will make a slightly bigger hole.
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01 September 2006, 03:04
JPKWill,
Thankfully, I have stumbled on a load that gives me 2140fps.
But I am still wound up!
JPK

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01 September 2006, 06:50
WillHave fun and do us proud.
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Will / Once you've been amongst them, there is no such thing as too much gun.
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and, God Bless John Wayne. NRA Benefactor, GOA, NAGR
_________________________
"Elephant and Elephant Guns" $99 shipped.
“Hunting Africa's Dangerous Game" $20 shipped.
red.dirt.elephant@gmail.com
_________________________
If anything be of note, let it be he was once an elephant hunter, hoping to wind up where elephant hunters go.
01 September 2006, 08:08
JPKThanks Will.
I will do my best. And I'll reread your book on the flight over just to make sure!
I leave Sept 11. Inauspicious date.
JPK

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