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Ok guy's & gal's this might be the wrong page to ask but I have had to empty the gun room in the last few years (for reasons that will just get me hot under the collar) but I want your opion as to if I should go back to a .300 H&H mag or just stick with a .300 win mag. I am looking at a sauer which means I have to have a 30'06 barrel reamed out to have a .300 H&H or just get the standard .300 win mag. Thoughts please  | ||
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I would go with the 300 Win Mag. Ammo & brass are a lot easier to find. Also the case stretches less with the 300 Win. DOUBLE RIFLE SHOOTERS SOCIETY | |||
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convience - go for the WM. readily available ammo and reloading components. romance - 300 H&H Personally I like the romance and tradition, but I wouldn't argue with someone who opted for convience. There is no wrong answer to the question. | |||
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The 300 H&H is a classic but it seems that it will be more hassles to load and get ammo than the 300 WM both of them work just as great and I don't think the animals would enjoy the romance being killed by a 300 H&H or WM. Whatever makes more sense for you and is easier for you practically. Frederik Cocquyt I always try to use enough gun but then sometimes a brainshot works just as good. | |||
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Read this superb bit of work by Mr. Chris Bekker on the following link: http://www.reloadersnest.com/a...le_300hh_oct2803.asp http://www.bigbore.org/ http://www.chasa.co.za Addicted to Recoil ! I hunt because I am human. Hunting is the expression of my humanity... | |||
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Since you already have an action in mind I would pick whichever cartridge was the appropriate length. If you have a Sauer made for 3.6" length cartridges then barrel for 300H&H. If you have a Sauer with made for 30-06 length cartridges then barrel for 300WinMag. Why would you do anything else? . | |||
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Actually, if you have an action long enough for the 300 H&H go for the 300 Weatherby. You'll get better performance and the brass will still be just as easy to find. | |||
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A little of topic but Chris also wrote a nice article about the 9.3 by 62 that is posted on the same site. | |||
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the post from Steven and Mike makes sense! in the article Chris loads his H&H to 2700ft/sec, a rather mild load aas mine does close to 2800ft/sec with 200gr Lapua and Nosler Accubonds, do the maths yourself and see how little it differs out in the hunting world!! I have used 165gr bullets in my 300H&H, yes they work well on the smaller stuff but are found wanting on the biiger stuff like Gemsbuck and Kudu! whereas the 200gr bullets worked better and and exited all the animals i shot with it, can't say the same of the lighter bullets!! | |||
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I get the 300 H&H, but I expect you'll get the winnie. You buy lots of brass when it's available and forget it, unless you insist on factory ammo in a foreign country, but to me you might as well hunt with a rented rifle as to use differnt ammo if yours gets lost. Just me. | |||
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Ah, cut a middle course and get the .300 WSM. I have taken over 70 plains game with it, from Giraffe and Eland and on down to Livingstone's Suni.  | |||
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Same hammer different handles. I like my .300 WM for simplicity sake. The .300 H&H is a much cooler round with tons of romance and history. | |||
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There's not 3 cents difference between them balisticlly! In my case personally I'd rather have the 300 H&H, but that is because I have the 375H&H In an FN mauser, and I'd love to have the 300H&H in an FN actioned rifle to match. The conveniece only counts if you shoot factory ammo. If you hand load then it is moot point. Just buy a set of loading dies, 200 new cases, and bullets can be bought anyplace, and you are set! Actually the Win Mag makes more sense, but who cares about being senseable!  ....Mac >>>===(x)===> MacD37, ...and DUGABOY1 DRSS Charter member "If I die today, I've had a life well spent, for I've been to see the Elephant, and smelled the smoke of Africa!"~ME 1982 Hands of Old Elmer Keith  | |||
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use enough gun, what bullet do you shoot in that 300 wsm? | |||
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I have a 300 Win, because of the sharpe recoil I seldom shoot it. I have 300 Weatherby again because of the recoil it sits in the safe. I have a Winchester in pre 64 300 H&H and I love it. The recoil is more of push then a sharpe kick. My stepson has 300 ultra mag and you can keep it. I sighted it in and it was brutal. Brooks | |||
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If it was my only rifle and I was planning on shooting it all the time and if money is tight? 300 Win Mag. But, if you practice with a different rifle, have another rifle in a common caliber, have a fondness for history and classic cartridges, and you reload, 300 H&H. The 300 WM is more practical in 2010, but the 300 H&H is more 'fun'. Hunting: Exercising dominion over creation at 2800 fps. | |||
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It's kinda like chossing between these two...   Mike Legistine actu quod scripsi? Never under estimate the internet community's ability to reply to your post with their personal rant about their tangentially related, single occurrence issue.  What I have learned on AR, since 2001: 1. The proper answer to: Where is the best place in town to get a steak dinner? is…You should go to Mel's Diner and get the fried chicken. 2. Big game animals can tell the difference between .015 of an inch in diameter, 15 grains of bullet weight, and 150 fps. 3. There is a difference in the performance of two identical projectiles launched at the same velocity if they came from different cartridges. 4. While a double rifle is the perfect DGR, every 375HH bolt gun needs to be modified to carry at least 5 down. 5. While a floor plate and detachable box magazine both use a mechanical latch, only the floor plate latch is reliable. Disregard the fact that every modern military rifle uses a detachable box magazine. 6. The Remington 700 is unreliable regardless of the fact it is the basis of the USMC M40 sniper rifle for 40+ years with no changes to the receiver or extractor and is the choice of more military and law enforcement sniper units than any other rifle. 7. PF actions are not suitable for a DGR and it is irrelevant that the M1, M14, M16, & AK47 which were designed for hunting men that can shoot back are all PF actions. 8. 95 deg F in Africa is different than 95 deg F in TX or CA and that is why you must worry about ammunition temperature in Africa (even though most safaris take place in winter) but not in TX or in CA. 9. The size of a ding in a gun's finish doesn't matter, what matters is whether it’s a safe ding or not. 10. 1 in a row is a trend, 2 in a row is statistically significant, and 3 in a row is an irrefutable fact. 11. Never buy a WSM or RCM cartridge for a safari rifle or your go to rifle in the USA because if they lose your ammo you can't find replacement ammo but don't worry 280 Rem, 338-06, 35 Whelen, and all Weatherby cartridges abound in Africa and back country stores. 12. A well hit animal can run 75 yds. in the open and suddenly drop with no initial blood trail, but the one I shot from 200 yds. away that ran 10 yds. and disappeared into a thicket and was not found was lost because the bullet penciled thru. I am 100% certain of this even though I have no physical evidence. 13. A 300 Win Mag is a 500 yard elk cartridge but a 308 Win is not a 300 yard elk cartridge even though the same bullet is travelling at the same velocity at those respective distances. | |||
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butchbuck: I have shot the 180 gr Federal Trophy Bonded Bear Claw bullet almost exclusively in that gun. I really like the new Trophy Bonded Tip, as I think that it's optimum. | |||
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I just finished building my 300 Weatherby. I had a KDF muzzle brake installed on it and I put a mercury recoil reducer in the stock. The recoil doesn't feel any harder than my old .30-06. I've only shot three animals with it, but it's becoming my favorite rifle. It doesn't sit in the safe. I just wish I would have built it 30 years ago. NRA Endowment Life Member | |||
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The effect on game among the lot is negligible. Since this is an African forum, I'm assuming you want to take it to Africa. There the long-range potential of the Weatherby and Winchester is meaningless because you won't be shooting anything out at 500 yards, anyway. What the H&H round provides that none of the other more 'modern' and 'efficient' cartridges have is smooth feed. This means reliability and in the field as in combat, reliability is everything. It is less important in a plains game cartridge than in a DGR but I still vote for smooth and reliable above all else. Sarge Holland's .375: One Planet, One Rifle . . . for one hundred years! | |||
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Just curious, what is the end use? What will a 300 do that a 30-06 can't? | |||
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All across the board in my world its gonna be the Win Mag (nostalgia aside) IMO for those of you who can feel that much of a noticeable diff in recoil betwwen the WM & the H+H need to either shoot more (or maybe its less..seeing as you can notice the big diff) or stop reading stuff! And a note to the game your hunting in this vast world......dont tell anyone you noticed the difference  Rod -------------------------------- "A hunter should not choose the cal, cartridge, and bullet that will kill an animal when everything is right; rather, he should choose ones that will kill the most efficiently when everything goes wrong" Bob Hagel | |||
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Hey Mike which one is the 300 H&H and which one is the 300 WM red or blonde I have been able to find a heap of good brass for the 300 H&H so I think I might go that way and keep the romance as well,thanks guys | |||
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Your along time dead. Hunt with a classic. | |||
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hi mike i had definitely chooed the red hair one  if i only was 20 years younger .yes Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy; its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery. | |||
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I made that choice in 1973, went with the .300 Winny because it had as much over the H&H that the .300 had over the 30-06. Many Deer and Elk, a Brown Bear and 8 Caribou later, it is still the right choice. Good shooting. phurley | |||
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..............  ....Mac >>>===(x)===> MacD37, ...and DUGABOY1 DRSS Charter member "If I die today, I've had a life well spent, for I've been to see the Elephant, and smelled the smoke of Africa!"~ME 1982 Hands of Old Elmer Keith | |||
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If you have a good source of brass...get the HH...becuase Chicks Dig It...known as the CDI factor... Mike Legistine actu quod scripsi? Never under estimate the internet community's ability to reply to your post with their personal rant about their tangentially related, single occurrence issue. What I have learned on AR, since 2001: 1. The proper answer to: Where is the best place in town to get a steak dinner? is…You should go to Mel's Diner and get the fried chicken. 2. Big game animals can tell the difference between .015 of an inch in diameter, 15 grains of bullet weight, and 150 fps. 3. There is a difference in the performance of two identical projectiles launched at the same velocity if they came from different cartridges. 4. While a double rifle is the perfect DGR, every 375HH bolt gun needs to be modified to carry at least 5 down. 5. While a floor plate and detachable box magazine both use a mechanical latch, only the floor plate latch is reliable. Disregard the fact that every modern military rifle uses a detachable box magazine. 6. The Remington 700 is unreliable regardless of the fact it is the basis of the USMC M40 sniper rifle for 40+ years with no changes to the receiver or extractor and is the choice of more military and law enforcement sniper units than any other rifle. 7. PF actions are not suitable for a DGR and it is irrelevant that the M1, M14, M16, & AK47 which were designed for hunting men that can shoot back are all PF actions. 8. 95 deg F in Africa is different than 95 deg F in TX or CA and that is why you must worry about ammunition temperature in Africa (even though most safaris take place in winter) but not in TX or in CA. 9. The size of a ding in a gun's finish doesn't matter, what matters is whether it’s a safe ding or not. 10. 1 in a row is a trend, 2 in a row is statistically significant, and 3 in a row is an irrefutable fact. 11. Never buy a WSM or RCM cartridge for a safari rifle or your go to rifle in the USA because if they lose your ammo you can't find replacement ammo but don't worry 280 Rem, 338-06, 35 Whelen, and all Weatherby cartridges abound in Africa and back country stores. 12. A well hit animal can run 75 yds. in the open and suddenly drop with no initial blood trail, but the one I shot from 200 yds. away that ran 10 yds. and disappeared into a thicket and was not found was lost because the bullet penciled thru. I am 100% certain of this even though I have no physical evidence. 13. A 300 Win Mag is a 500 yard elk cartridge but a 308 Win is not a 300 yard elk cartridge even though the same bullet is travelling at the same velocity at those respective distances. | |||
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My personal preference is brunettes and model 70's in 300 H&H and 375 H&H. I love em all. | |||
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Are we talking 300 Chick Magnet? | |||
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Exactly like the redhead vs. the blonde. The redhead has ZERO class and looks as if someone spilled a bowl of punch on her head. Go for the H&H! "Archery enshrines the principles of human relationships. The Archer perfects his form within himself. If his form is perfect, yet when he releases he misses, there is no point in resenting those who have done better than him. The fault lies nowhere."(Confucious) | |||
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The .300H&H tends to give more to talk about + the headstamp "H&H" has more class than "win mag" ...Yes..I have a .300 Holland & Holland  DRSS: HQ Scandinavia. Chapters in Sweden & Norway | |||
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What the hell does class have to do with an evening's shag, for God's sake? You're not marrying either of them! ______________________ Hunting: I'd kill to participate. | |||
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Do both of them. Uh, that is, buy both of them. Yeah, that's right. analog_peninsula ----------------------- It takes character to withstand the rigors of indolence. | |||
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BLOODY GERMAN RIFLE MAKERS  well looks like my plan to have a sauer in 300 H&H mag will not happen! Sauer don't make custom barrels and i can't rechamber a 30'06 barrel because it doesn't fit the mag action,Bloody hell looks like I will have to slum it and get the 300 Win Mag  | |||
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Have you perhaps considered the 308 Norma Mag?  http://www.bigbore.org/ http://www.chasa.co.za Addicted to Recoil ! I hunt because I am human. Hunting is the expression of my humanity... | |||
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Hey Stephen,same problem, unless they want to make it forget about requesting it because they are still the only country were the customer is "Never right!!!" | |||
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