Meat hunting acceptable - Netflix has a damn show on it

Trophy hunting, especially iconic African animals (include giraffes for sure), is not acceptable to even hunters and fishermen. Kind of like bump stocks on ar rifles.

I expect trophy displays at bass pro to no longer show African animals. They do have a nice tiger at the Orlando store.

Mike

Has anyone really expected any thing different????

I'd hold onto the torches for a bit....I'm guessing there's another side to this story!

I hardly ever shopped at either one (Cabela's or Bass Pro). In fact, I can't recall when I last spent money at either. I can get all that I need online from many businesses (i.e. Midway, etc.) or from Sportsman's Warehouse which is eight minutes away. Screw Cabela's and Bass Pro.

Cabela's is funding Ivan Carter's lion relocation in Coutada 11 in Mozambique, and even though everyone makes it clear that hunting revenue is the only reason that could have happened, hunting's becoming the elephant in the room no one wants to talk about. I think that's just the way it's going to be.

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Originally posted by ijl:
Cabela's is funding Ivan Carter's lion relocation in Coutada 11 in Mozambique, and even though everyone makes it clear that hunting revenue is the only reason that could have happened, hunting's becoming the elephant in the room no one wants to talk about. I think that's just the way it's going to be.

Are you sure it’s Cabela’s and not Dan Cabela individually?

Bowing to stupid media again!

No common sense whatsoever.

No one seems to have backbone anymore.

Hey

quote:

Originally posted by ijl:
Cabela's is funding Ivan Carter's lion relocation in Coutada 11 in Mozambique, and even though everyone makes it clear that hunting revenue is the only reason that could have happened, hunting's becoming the elephant in the room no one wants to talk about. I think that's just the way it's going to be.

This is not true. I am on the board of the ICWCA as well as the secretary/treasurer. It is the Cabelas Family Foundation that made the contribution to move the lions. Cabelas/Bass Pro had nothing to do with it.

I had a long exchange with Ms. Hall last night about this issue. I am not sure Cabela's is right or wrong in their policy. We have debated the issue before on these pages. Often the pictures posted are simply the kill shot with no context of the actual hunt.

This in the hands of the brain dead becomes fodder to be used against us. I can see the point. I no longer post Hunting Reports to protect my business so I get it. If you Google my name, there I am next to a dead elephant or was the last time I checked.

The Head of Idaho Fish and Game lost his job because of leaked private email pics of dead baboons. I really think he should have stood his ground. Most of us sneered at the Cecil debacle and it turns out it was 100% legal and ethical.

Social media is evil and there is no one correct answer how to manage it at this time.

Aaron Neilson takes an in your face approach. That's fine. His whole life is hunting and hunting outfitting. What about the dentist that shot Cecil? Where is his life now?

these are not easy answers and there will be more of this going forward. I have made the point and it was made earlier in the thread that I feel the majority of US hunters have a problem with hunting the African big 5 out of ignorance.

Just like the general population.

It's been 3 years since the NRA-HLF met to which I had pinned great hopes of uniting and educating all hunters and presenting a united front to the non-hunting community. Sadly not much has changed.

Too many fires to put out I suppose.

my .02

Jeff

I think you made valid points Jeff.

A lot of publicity on social media is just posting pictures and no context. Many of the pics are pretty hard to look at too.

Not sure where Cabelas is heading but there are two sides to the coin.

IMO, this is a move to prevent backlash from posts on social media, not a position by Bass Pro/Cabelas on African hunting. Again, this is only my opinion, by I do know for a fact that Johnny Morris (owner of Bass Pro) has made numerous safaris and has taken the Big 5. The museum he opened last year here at the flagship Bass Pro store prominently features taxidermied African animals, including the Big 5, and espouses the role of hunting in conservation.

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Originally posted by Bwana Bunduki:
I had a long exchange with Ms. Hall last night about this issue. I am not sure Cabela's is right or wrong in their policy. We have debated the issue before on these pages. Often the pictures posted are simply the kill shot with no context of the actual hunt.

This in the hands of the brain dead becomes fodder to be used against us. I can see the point. I no longer post Hunting Reports to protect my business so I get it. If you Google my name, there I am next to a dead elephant or was the last time I checked.

The Head of Idaho Fish and Game lost his job because of leaked private email pics of dead baboons. I really think he should have stood his ground. Most of us sneered at the Cecil debacle and it turns out it was 100% legal and ethical.

Social media is evil and there is no one correct answer how to manage it at this time.

Aaron Neilson takes an in your face approach. That's fine. His whole life is hunting and hunting outfitting. What about the dentist that shot Cecil? Where is his life now?

these are not easy answers and there will be more of this going forward. I have made the point and it was made earlier in the thread that I feel the majority of US hunters have a problem with hunting the African big 5 out of ignorance.

Just like the general population.

It's been 3 years since the NRA-HLF met to which I had pinned great hopes of uniting and educating all hunters and presenting a united front to the non-hunting community. Sadly not much has changed.

Too many fires to put out I suppose.

my .02

Jeff

I think social media, at least the way it has been used has not been our friend. I think the "in your face" approach has been very detrimental. Collectively, as a group, we have failed to recognize the threat that social media poses to the future of hunting. This is compounded by our inability to come together to form a group to fight the opposition.

We have to become much better at use of social media or it will be the death of hunting. We have to find motivation for all of us to come together. A local squirrel hunter often does not see attacks on elephant hunting as a threat to their hunting. They fail to realize that elephants are easy to attack. This is why they are first. Make no mistake, the ultimate goal is not to just eliminate all hunting. it is also to eliminate fishing and make us all vegans.

I wish the NRA/HLF had accomplished more. They have accomplished a lot. There are so many issues that they have to fight it is not always easy to see the progress.

I have been very surprised at the social media attacks on me personally. For example, I was once asked if I had looked at my Firm's Facebook page recently. Since we had no Facebook page, this surprised me. Some ARA had established multiple Facebook pages for my firm which were an attempt to hurt my business because I hunt elephants. The bigger shock was how long it took me to get rid of these pages.

Cabela’s and Bass Pro built their business selling to hunters. I have spent thousands of dollars with them over the years. No more. I am done with them.

From Bass Pro:

"This is not true.
Please check out our 1 Source as well as our Pro Team members posting of African Trophies. At this moment I can’t provide you with the story as its source is being investigated.
Thanks for sharing and trust that nothing has changed at Bass Pro Shops and Cabelas as it relates to hunting worldlwide.
As we learn more, we will provide a response."

Media Contact:
press@basspro.com
417-873-4567

quote:

Originally posted by K Evans:
From Bass Pro:

"This is not true.
Please check out our 1 Source as well as our Pro Team members posting of African Trophies. At this moment I can’t provide you with the story as its source is being investigated.
Thanks for sharing and trust that nothing has changed at Bass Pro Shops and Cabelas as it relates to hunting worldlwide.
As we learn more, we will provide a response."

I know for sure there is a lot more to this story and a lot more will come to light. Hunters need to stop believing everything that's posted on social media. Social media isn't the issue, it's our desire to believe everything bad without hearing both sides of the story. We've become so gullible!

This was taken from another website. The No Safari Animals seems to make it pretty clear. I would not be surprised to see Cabela's/BP backpedal on this.

Oof... “legally harvested North American species.”

Pretty much in black and white...

So...I guess they will be removing all the “exotic” mounts from their stores? Including the big African diorama at the Lacy,WA location?

they are trying to avoid someone posting a pic of the current WWF poster child they recently took on a legal hunt and creating a firestorm of crybabies causing them problems.

I can see their point, it's not like there ain't got a bunch of whack jobs with nothing better to do not watching this kind of stuff.

Maybe this is why Cabelas stopped selling Safari cloths!

……………………………………………………………….

Surely Cabelas would just tell the SJW snow flakes to piss off. Those type of people wouldn't shop at a Cabelas shop anyway Why risk alienating a large chunk of your real customers?

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Originally posted by Bakes:
Surely Cabelas would just tell the SJW snow flakes to piss off. Those type of people wouldn't shop at a Cabelas shop anyway Why risk alienating a large chunk of your real customers?

Cause combined bass pro Cabela’s is more fishing, outdoors, archery, North America/local hunting and guns than a destination hunting store (what Cabela’s was )

Cabela’s was a bad acquisition for bass pro and they tired everything to get out of the deal.

Mike

I am definitely interested to hear more about this story before I get out the pitchforks. I have shopped at cabelas. Myself and a a whole lot of my friends have a cabelas card that we spend a LOT of money on it, and not just hunting gear.

If they are anti africa hunting won't need that card anymore nor their stores but will wait to see .

RESPONSE FROM BASS PRO / CABELAS

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Response By Email (Ashley) (01/03/2019 04:13 PM)
Dear Sir/Ma'am,

Thank you for contacting basspro.com. Bass Pro Shops and Cabela’s is steadfast in our support of hunting, which is a critical conservation tool for saving species in Africa and around the world. Our proud commitment is reflected through our decades of strong support for the conservation efforts of Dallas Safari Club and Safari Club International and throughout our stores, sponsored television shows, ambassadors and partnerships. Despite a recent misunderstanding causing some confusion on social media, we fully encourage our pro team members to share photos from their hunts and adventures around the world to help us promote legal and responsible hunting and a shared love of the outdoors.

Thank you for allowing us to be of service to you.

Best regards,
Ashley
Bass Pro Shops
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Springfield, MO 65898
1-800-BASS-PRO

The LIBERAL MEDIA will POUNCE on HUNTING ANYTIME they can!!!

Okay, is that response accurate or not????

This is just perfect. How many of these type of "social media said it so it must be true" posts have we seen? I am awed at the number of people that immediately believe everything they read. Even more amazed that when the accused denies the "social media truth that Moses brought off the rock", we don't believe it. The social media propaganda machine is successful because we are too quick to wait for the facts/truth before jumping to conclusions. Hell, liberal anti-hunter and anti-gun crazies aren't our enemies. We are.

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Originally posted by SFRanger7GP:
This is just perfect. How many of these type of "social media said it so it must be true" posts have we seen? I am awed at the number of people that immediately believe everything they read. Even more amazed that when the accused denies the "social media truth that Moses brought off the rock", we don't believe it. The social media propaganda machine is successful because we are too quick to wait for the facts/truth before jumping to conclusions. Hell, liberal anti-hunter and anti-gun crazies aren't our enemies. We are.

Largely true, but if the post that shows the letter is accurate, Cabelas didn't help themselves...

Below is the response I got to my email to Cabelas



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Customer By CSS Web (Michael Carr) (01/02/2019 06:48 PM)
Good evening,

Several forums I am a member of are now reporting that Cabela's has taken steps to distance themselves from hunters that hunt on an international basis...specifically in Africa.

While Cabela's...and its' parent company are certainly free to do as they please, I for one, would like to have a summary of company policy and feeling regarding legally practiced hunting in general worldwide. In these politically correct times I want to be certain that my support is given to those that share my ideas, likes and interests.

Your response is much anticipated and expected.

No nice way to put it so here goes...a non or ambiguous response will be deemed as the reports are credible, so I would appreciate a clear and forthright answer to my inquiry.

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Michael Carr
Little Rock, SC
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Date Created: 01/02/2019 06:48 PM

Very interesting. I’m sure some of this is in response to the Laryssa Switlyk sex toy photo (I’m not sure spelling is correct and don’t think she is affiliated with them).

What I do know is that tasteless photos do not help. I also believe they do and will continue to support our hunting organizations.

I also don’t see the Shockeys going anywhere.

My main hope is they do not turn into the more modern version of Abercrombie & Fitch...

IMO Cabela's has really gone downhill since Dick Cabela died.

The Bass Pro Shop takeover has pretty much spelled doom for many of Cabela's brand items.

Fortunately I have enough hunting/fishing/camping gear to last me several lifetimes. LOL

BH63

Bass Pro Cabela's official response as reported on DSC's website:

Bass Pro Shop’s and Cabelas is steadfast in our support of hunting, which is a critical conservation tool for saving species in Africa and around the world. Our profound commitment is reflected through our decades of strong support for the conservation efforts of Dallas Safari Club and Safari Club International and throughout our stores, sponsored television shows, ambassadors and partnerships. Despite a recent misunderstanding causing some confusion on social media, we fully encourage our pro team mebers to share photos from their hunts and adventures around the world to help us promote legal and responsible hunting and a shared love of the outdoors.

Thank you,

Jack Wlezien

(Jack Wlezien is BPS Director of Communications)

http://dscnewscenter.org/2019/...R_AfQjZhgAazrkAfanLg

And more on this saga!

https://www.wideopenspaces.com...PBFBSd1cYy-X_UsRBBME

Interesting. Who had heard of her before this? Does she have a show?

I always thought BPS stuff was cheaply made as opposed to Cabelas. After the merger I went into Hamburg PA store to get some duck hunting stuff. Spent about 40 minutes in store total, the whole store, only about 5 minutes in waterfowl. I will not be shopping at this company again.

Now I know where they get those cheap tents in the homeless camps in LA and SF. Funny how American citizens sleep in the streets and illegals get housing. At least BPS cares enough to sell crap to the homeless, I guess?

I read the original post in a very different light. I read it as an embittered piece of prose that painted a poorly disguised image of a butthurt former staff member. As a parting shot she pretty much damned the African hunting she professed to love, stating it had a poor management strategy and that the only viable populations of huntable animals were behind fences under armed guard. I may live in the U.K and have no vested interest in the before mentioned stores or the writer of the piece but I'd be disinclined to take it at face value.

I agree, Angus. But the posted screen shot of the Cabelas Pro Staff "Do's and Don'ts" - if accurate - discourages (which basically means prohibits) posting by Pro Staff of any image of "exotic animals (safari animals, etc.)."

I don't like the suggestion that anyone should be ashamed of hunting anywhere in a legal and ethical manner.

I hunt. It's what I do. I will explain it, and even defend it, but I will not attempt to justify it to simpletons or fanatics.

On the other hand, I don't post anything on "social media" - since I find the entire idea of "social media" rather strange, if not pathetic.

+1 Michael Robinson