Does anyone know any South African outfitters who refuse to hunt these different colour variant species with their clients? I dont know one SA outfitter who would tell a client "sorry but its ethically and morally incorrect to hunt a black impala, so keep your $6000 and lets look for a normal impala at $250 that has also been bred, managed and is just a wild as the black impala" The outfitters that wont let their clients hunt these colour variant animals probably dont have them available in their "wild, free range and totaly natural 1000 hectare concessions "

These animals are not penned and fed in a cage ( i hope not anyway!)It boils down to management just like any well run game reserve should be.

So is it also not correct for game farms to have black, white and copper springbuck. How many hunters dont have these beautiful trophies hanging on their walls!

Settlers, I'm with you, I want to meet all these guys who are turning down the chance to guide color phase hunts, and even have a greater desire to meet hunters who would pass on the animal if it was free...because morally it's wrong. I'm all for whatever you have to do (within the legal realm) to make a living and be successful.

Scriptus- I don't want to come off like I own a high horse, but when people make unfounded statements, especially dealing with genetics and population management issues, and they are most always certainly wrong in their theory, it pisses me off. (Not opinion, but what has been proven as scientific fact) I completely agree with you concerning the Boar goats, but when they were the crazy that was a good price. My question to you is this, what makes the species you listed any different from any other? The whole point of my arguement is this, "all the animals are the same." Ranching them, so that one can produce a profit is the bottom line.

Maki- My point is this, you say, you have something against genetically manipulated stock? Well I can tell you, that there hasn't been any high-tech genetic modification to any of these animals in africa...how do I know, I'm a Graduate Researcher at A&M Vet School, specifically in the field of reproductive technology, genetics, and disease. So all they have done, is controlled the breeding. Now that being said, if you've ever hunted deer and shot a "cull", then you have compromised the genetics of the herd and manipulated future generations. That is black and white...and some will argue "well thats different" and the truth is, NO IT IS EXACTLY THE SAME!

Oryxhunter1983

Well said about the comparison between "Deer Management in USA" and "Color Management in RSA" absolutely no difference.

Last June I had the pleasure of seeing Black Impalas on a game farm and they were really fabulous looking animals.

The recessive gene is there waiting for darwin to make it advantagious to survival. We have a lot of them as well that periodically make themselves known in the population (six fingers anyone?).

They are simply manipulating the normal evolutionary process by encouraging these genes WITHIN THE EXISTING DNA to be dominate.

Now if you mixed vulture genes with elephant genes, that would be an abomination. But kinda interesting in a carny sort of way.

Or if you mixed soybean dna with swamp ooze dna you might get something resistant to herbicides. So you can use more chemicals and get a higher yield. Wait... we are already doing that.

(but is it still soybeans or something that just looks like soybeans)

Im no big shot, just the grunt on the ground who guides foreign clients to find what they want.I have hunted for settlers safaris and i challenge you "scriptus" as a fellow eastern cape resident to hunt the"penned in" black springbuck on the camdeboo plains where the largest bush is 10" tall and sometimes there are no trees in a 400ha area.Hunting on concervancies of up to 30 000ha and yes they do pop over the 4ft stock fences.now get yourself and another guy within 300yds to make that shot . . . oh p.s while you at it you better kill the King cheetah, black panther and white lions of Timbavati ALL NATURAL GENETICS.closer to home (for you) the white springbuck gene is a natural occuring gene in the Pearston/ Jansenville area.People these things occured naturally and hunters pay for their survival.

My opinion expressed on the first page of this thread, is exactly that , my opinion. I have not changed my opinion and forgive me if I am incorrect, am I not entitled to express an opinion.I still consider "game" bred behind high fences to promote colour aberrations to be abominations. I have noted that even on this thread, there are others who are of much the same opinion as that of myself.
Oryxhunter, the animals that I listed are given in several publications as threatened to varying degrees in their natural ranges. It is my opinion and wish that some how breeding programs for the long term survival of these naturally occuring species would come into being. Again it is my opinion, that it is preferable to rather breed these animals than white springbuck.
I have since read a little on US F&WL. I apologise for even thinking that government bureaucrats could help anything at all.
300winMag, I have hunted for 46 years apart from time served in the military.I have, over this period hunted damn near every specie found in South Africa. Some, such as springbuck and bushuck probably in their hundreds.As a walk and stalk hunter, it is not impossible to shoot springbuck from 30 [thirty] meters on an open flat plain where the cover is no more than 200 mm high. Your temerarious challenge to a hunt ,I find to be extremely contemptuous. Further, I find your suggestion to kill King Cheetah and black panther rather bizarre.
By the way, dollar/pound/euro carrying visiting hunters really do not like to be described as "foreign" ever!

"These abominations have really only come about since high fences.A white springbuck in the Kalahari would be nailed by the first fit predator that came along because it would stand out like a sore thumb." your quote re-read my previous post.
Im just a P.H you are the expert.But if you hate the naturally occuring white springbuck ,then every other colour phase needs the same attention I.E KING CHETAH ( colour phase of the normal cheetah) BLACK PANTHER natural colour phase of COUGAR, LEOPARDS both AFRICAN and INDIAN etc etc. . .all are naturally occuring.
I would love to hire you with your 46 years experience to guide a "foreign" hunter ( by definition someone that does not belong, to the country or area. . .
30m from a springbuck in karoo flats, let me know your opeing dates that I may subcontract you to get another hunter that close.
WE DIGRESS. this is not in the best interests of hunting.