I've been reading so much bad press on this cartridge lately that I am beginning to doubt its sterling reputation worldwide. Seems the majority of people these days want a .416 or .458 of some flavor to do any kind of hunting.


Take care and thanks,

jfm

jfm:

Absolutely! Don't you believe any of that bunk about needing a larger caliber! I've shot lots of animals in Africa with my .375 H&H. The animals weighed from 90 pounds to about 3500 pounds. All were one shot kills with my .375 H&H using Remington A-frame ammo.

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All were one shot kills with my .375 H&H using Remington A-frame ammo.

That will get it done.

Yes,

Stick to the rules shot placement and proper bullets and you will not need anything more. If you do your part the 375 will walk a long way in Africa not that it hasnt yet.

This is a pretty moth-eaten topic, but I will just say this. You are missing the point with your question.

Of course the .375 H&H Mag. can do it all, but the point is that the .375 is not ideal for the heaviest or thickest skinned game.

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I've been reading so much bad press on this cartridge lately that I am beginning to doubt its sterling reputation worldwide.

What bad press ... oh, you mean the guys at Ruger pimping their own round! I see.

Yes, the 375 H&H is one of the finest rounds ever developed.

No, it is not perfect for everything. But, yes, it will work for everything.

It's my understanding that some famous PHs used the 375 H&H as their main rifle (including stopping rifle). Not saying that there aren't much better stopping calibers, but it seems that the 375 H&H is sufficient in the right hands... And it won't detach your retina or when you shoot it from the bench.



Chuck

The historical success of the 375 H&H is not in some magical combination of bullet weight,diameter or velocity or any of the other factors oftimes discussed here and there but rather that is is the largest calibre that most men can shot accurately. Therein is its greatest virtue.

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Originally posted by mrlexma:
This is a pretty moth-eaten topic, but I will just say this. You are missing the point with your question.

Of course the .375 H&H Mag. can do it all, but the point is that the .375 is not ideal for the heaviest or thickest skinned game.

What he said.

I agree with most, the .375 H&H can do it all, if you hit the animal perfectly every time, and it is also pleasant to shoot. BUT
But I want something larger 450 or 500 and above that as a stopper rifle.
Also feel, that it is not in the running as a stopping rifle for frontal ele shots, prefer the .500 for that, IMHO.
It is a stretch to morph the .375 as the rifle that can always do it all.

Dak

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Originally posted by Wendell Reich:

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I've been reading so much bad press on this cartridge lately that I am beginning to doubt its sterling reputation worldwide.

What bad press ... oh, you mean the guys at Ruger pimping their own round! I see.

Yes, the 375 H&H is one of the finest rounds ever developed.

No, it is not perfect for everything. But, yes, it will work for everything.

Very well said.

Amen.

Thanks for your replies. I was just wondering what the general concensus was these days. I realize the larger bores are better for the big stuff. I was thinking this round was becoming inadequate these days by modern standards and one may truly need truly large bore (over .40) for large game hunting.

Thanks,

jfm

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Originally posted by HunterMontana:
The historical success of the 375 H&H is not in some magical combination of bullet weight,diameter or velocity or any of the other factors oftimes discussed here and there but rather that is is the largest calibre that most men can shot accurately. Therein is its greatest virtue.

I see its success, particularly on hevier game, as proof that it combines the correct velicity, bullet weight for bullet diameter in it historical loading (300grs for lead core, especially solids.) I'm sure that some of its success is also the result of it being easy to shoot.

But there are plenty of other cartidges that are easy to shoot that just don't make the grade, so it isn't only that.

I like something heavier for the bigger DG, especially elephants, but I would hunt with the 375H&H. (And have.)

JPK

Yes.

There is a certain amount of ego and machismo attached to big calibers. If they came out with a .900 Super-Ultra-Mag there would be people on this forum with penis-envy that would have to buy one and then swear that it is the only weapon to use for Dik-Dik on up.

Nothing that walks can survive a well placed .375 H&H.

Jfm, I want to second or third the comment of mrlexma who points out that the step up to .416 adds a new dimension to your capabilities. If you go that route you will be impressed by the velocity and energy and stopping power of the .416. There will always be those who say it's overkill and you don't really need it if you're a good shot, but at the end of the day it's all about finality when you pull the trigger. I'd advise to step up above the .375 for Africa if you have the option. Thanks for asking. Bill

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Originally posted by jfm:
I've been reading so much bad press on this cartridge lately that I am beginning to doubt its sterling reputation worldwide. Seems the majority of people these days want a .416 or .458 of some flavor to do any kind of hunting.


Take care and thanks,

jfm

jfm, I could live and hunt Africa for the rest of my life, with a pair of rifles! A double rifle chambered for 375H&H Flanged, and a CRF bolt rifle chambered for 375 H&H Belted mag and not feel under gunned at all! However, I'd certainly pick my fights!

Is the 375 H&H perfect? NO! Is any other chambering perfect? NO! The old 1912 375H&H is just about perfect for a very wide range of hunting, and will do a yoman's job on any of the animals bigger than a jackrabbit, if the shooter does his part, and selects the proper bullets for the game he's hunting!

Don't worry about the old three six bits being unseated any time soon! Just go hunting and shoot everthing with your 375H&H, and enjoy!

.............

45-70gov !!
killed more men and beast than most calibers


most travel with a two gun combo
37H&H and something smaller for plains game has served hunters well.

if ele, buff, hippo etc are on your menu---then a two gun choice (for me) would be 375H&H and 470nitro
that's my 2 cents--not worth much

If you ask the PH's in africa you will find that they much prefer the 375 H&H over the new Ruger because of its proven performance. Just the same as they really don't like the 300 WSM over the tried and true 300 Win Mag. And your taxidermist will like it if you use solids on some of the "littles" so you don't make a huge exit hole that they have to repair.

If you ask the PH's in africa you will find that they much prefer the 375 H&H over the new Ruger because of its proven performance. Just the same as they really don't like the 300 WSM over the tried and true 300 Win Mag

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Originally posted by JPK:

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Originally posted by HunterMontana:
The historical success of the 375 H&H is not in some magical combination of bullet weight,diameter or velocity or any of the other factors oftimes discussed here and there but rather that is is the largest calibre that most men can shot accurately. Therein is its greatest virtue.

I see its success, particularly on hevier game, as proof that it combines the correct velicity, bullet weight for bullet diameter in it historical loading (300grs for lead core, especially solids.) I'm sure that some of its success is also the result of it being easy to shoot.

But there are plenty of other cartidges that are easy to shoot that just don't make the grade, so it isn't only that.

I like something heavier for the bigger DG, especially elephants, but I would hunt with the 375H&H. (And have.)

JPK

JPK you have it exactly right but I believe you missed my point a bit. It's not that is is simply "easy" to shoot accurately, hell my 270 is lots "easier" to shoot. It's the large bullet, good velocity combined but not enough recoil to put people off that makes it "easier" to shoot. It is a question of ballence, power vs. shootability that makes medium bores, such as the 375, 9.3x62 etc so effective.

Hello All

Seeing as I spent the morning culling Impala and some bigger with a .22, I SUPPOSE THAT MAKES IT THE NEXT WONDER KILLER ??


Ok now I have some attention, in my opinion, the reason we, as in african ph's and I know I can not speak for everyone, loves a 375 H&H, is it is a darn good cartridge,

and then some more, as we can find ammo for it anywhere, take a guess how many gunshops has 375Ruger or 900 Stomp my Ass ammo in Africa?

We stick too the old and tried calibres, more so because of availibilty sometimes than anything else.

I have been reading Taylor's book on African Cartridges and if you believe in what he writes, the .375 H/H is one of the best rounds out there. He sings its virtues. He does say though that if you need a "stopping" rifle then you need to look at calibers of .40 and above.

He also says that there is no caliber in the world that will kill an animal if it is placed poorly.

I think the .375 and proper shot placement will take you a long, long way.

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Originally posted by jfm:
Thanks for your replies. I was just wondering what the general concensus was these days. I realize the larger bores are better for the big stuff. I was thinking this round was becoming inadequate these days by modern standards and one may truly need truly large bore (over .40) for large game hunting.

Thanks,

jfm

Actually just the opposite. With the better bullets available today, the H&H is an even better cartridge now. Sure if you were going to hunt nothing but tuskers the 458 on up would be better but if your wildebeest or gemsbuck is out past 200 yards, give me the 375 everytime.
BTW more ele, buff etc. have been killed with a 7X57 than you or I will ever see so don't feel undergunned with the old H&h.

I have never had any problem killing anything with a .375...I know it has failed a few times on buffalo facing and going away..Those failures come from not using a solid with those shots, not from the caliber...

For us wimpy old farts, you also have to carry it all day! Most of the larger calibers you need at least a pound more rifle to keep it in one piece and keep recoil down. Lugging a pound or two more for miles in the bush is not for me.

Will an .375 H&H loaded with A Frames penetrate to the vitals on a frontal shot at 50/75 yards?

On buff, that is...

Mine did using .300gr TBBC and TBSH's.

jetdrvr,

The 375 H&H with SAF will definitely penetrate to the vitals on a frontal shot on a buffalo. You know the 375 is not a peashooter. With good bullets it works very well on everything.

Mark

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Nothing that walks can survive a well placed .375 H&H.

That sums it all up right there!!

Again, thank you for your replies. When I asked this question I meant could the .375 H&H really do it all when using the proper bullets. I thought this was a given but it appears I should have stated that in the first place. I can't imagine anyone traveling all the way to Africa to hunt with an improper bullet selection when there are so many good premium softs and solids available. I use nothing but SAF and TSX in my model 70 SS classic. I can't imagine using anything else but the best projectiles for the intended purpose. So I guess the real question is "Can the .375 H&H magnum really do it all when using premium softs and solids?"

Thanks again,

jfm

jfm,

You have restated the question...

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Originally posted by jfm:
.... So I guess the real question is "Can the .375 H&H magnum really do it all when using premium softs and solids?"

Thanks again,

jfm

However, the answer is still the same. YES

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Originally posted by MARK H. YOUNG:
jetdrvr,

The 375 H&H with SAF will definitely penetrate to the vitals on a frontal shot on a buffalo. You know the 375 is not a peashooter. With good bullets it works very well on everything.

Mark

Thanks, Mark. Thought it would, but I only have one buff to my credit and the A Frame did a yeoman's job on a broadside shoulder shot. I have tremendous confidence in my ability with the rifle and practice with it constantly because it's really fun to shoot. Going back to TZ next year and working up some Woodleigh 350's as soon as the parts for my press get here, but I'm thinking of just sticking with the A Frame and pressing on.

Based on my personal experience, I would say yes. Federal ammo, 300 gr. Partitions 10 animals, 11 shots. Zebra took two. Smallest, a steinbok. Longest, black springbok at 300 meters.

Handloads, Northfork bullets, buffalo and elephant one shot each. I will admit to an insurance shot to make sure they were deader than dead.

Dave

NO, not only can't the 375 H&H do it all, it can't do anything. Do yourself a favor, box yours up and send it to me for proper disposal.
Especially if it is a pre 64 model 70. Those are the worst of the bunch.

TerryR

TerryR:

Well, I guess the jury is still out on this round. After all, it has only been on the market for 96 YEARS. So, pay your money and take your chances.

Keith

I'm pretty sure if God were to have a rifle, it would be chambered in 375 H&H Magnum. He could probably shoot better than I do. He's God, after all.

Gentleman, the 375 kills what you point it at, IF you put the bullet in the right spot. And that same caveat goes for any caliber.

Good Hunting BN

God does have and does shoot a .375. . .Why do you think he is God?