Definitely the H&H. It would be wrong to take a Weatherby to Africa!

L/A vs S/A vs guns available in it
you guys don't like the 300WSM suit yourself when you pay for my safaris I'll shoot the gun you prefer.
I never killed a gemsbok or kudu with either that cared what I shot it with

Ditto

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Think Elgin Gates...

The man certainly hunted a lot, but had questionable taste in rifles. Especially when he switched from FN Wbys to the Mark V.

500 grains:

I have never owned a Weatherby and have no desire to, but there is a long list of hunters who have filled trophy rooms with the cartridge. You can't argue with the record.

There have certainly been a lot of cape buffalo killed in Africa with an AK47, but that would not be my choice for a safari either. So I do think it is possible to argue with the record.

It would be wrong not to take a weatherby to africa. Sort of like going to a black tie event in tennis shoes..

Jorge,

I'd go with your favorite.

About 7 years ago, I bought a .375 in case I ever went to Africa. Last year the amazing happened, and I actually went.

I couldn't get a load I liked, and was nervous about taking a rifle I didn't know. I was afraid I might embarass myself in front of the PH. So I brought the .300RUM. BTW, I brought a light .243 also, because it was left-handed and because my PH said we'd have a day of high-volume shooting. I had developed a really accurate load for the .243 Tikka, but I hadn't used it much other than from the bench.

When I took the .243 out to sight it in, the magazine follower slid out of the magazine and jammed the gun on the first cartridge. Luckily, I'd shot really well with the .300 the 2 previous days. Still pretty embarassing. I put it away and used the .30 cal for the rest of the trip.

I'm going to try to blood new rifles locally before taking them on any important trip. You may have already done that with both rifles, but if you haven't, I'd take the one you've used a lot.

Steve

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Originally posted by Canuck:
I voted for the 300 H&H but only becuz I wouldn't want to be caught out in public with a Weatherby rifle.

Cheers,
Canuck

EXACTLY111

Well gentlemen, I certainly did not expect this kind of response from what I thought was a lighthearted attempt and my indecision. I've hunted with both rifles, but the Weatherby is my "go to" in that I've made the most challenging shots of my hunting life with it. The 300H&H is a true tackdriver,shooting both 180 and 200 gr Partitions to the same POI out to 200 yards. The only thing that is keeping me from taking it it's the rifle is quite old (1941). I've had it checked out by a gunsmith, so it's a confidence factor. To the gent that can't seem to load his Weatherby to respectable velocities, try using MRP powder to duplicate factory loads. But there is no way, no way that you'll convinve me that you can get 3200 plus out of a WSM and a 180gr pill. Besides, had I wanted info on the WSM I would have asked for it. Finally, to those of you that don't like Weatherbys, that's ok guys, I consider it an hoor to be counted in with the likes of Elgin Gates....and John Wayne. Now I want to hear one of you guys say something bad about HIM! grrrr. jorge

sort of like:
circa 1945 .300 Wby 180 gr @ 3250 fps

circa 1999 .300 RUM 180 gr @ 3250 fps

on and on and on...

Craig Nolan

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May 4 1946 300H&H ....May 13 2005 300WSM alot has changed in those 59 years

Yes it has, and in this case not for the better!

jorge: H4350 67.7 gr 175 gr BT

175 is not 180 and H-4350 is too fast for a WBYs.jorge

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sort of like:
circa 1945 .300 Wby 180 gr @ 3250 fps

circa 1999 .300 RUM 180 gr @ 3250 fps

on and on and on...

Sort of apples and oranges there--until Remington starts loading their ammo as hot as Weatherby does. In the first case (H&H vs. WSM) the handloader still does better with the old--especially with heavier bullets.

In the second case, the handloader easily exceeds the old with the new. No, 100-150 fps isn't a big deal...but nevertheless it's a much different comparison than the first.

jorge if 5 grs of bullet weight mean that much to you maybe no 300 is the caliber for you. Besides that recipe was for my 300WSM in reply to your comment not intended for a Weatherby...of which I own a few

Wynwood: Obviously you misread my post. What I implied was that all things being equal, a 175gr bullet will have a higher MV than a 180gr. Been shooting 300s ( Winchester, Weatherby and H&H) for quite a while now. Even with a 175 grainer, I'm not seeing 3200 fps out of a 300 WSM. jorge

Jorge!

We all have a rifle that we are very comfortable with and that is the one to go with. The down range performance of a 300 H&H vs a 300 Weatherby is so close that all other things being equal no hunter could tell which one he used to shoot the gemsbuck at 250 yards. I would go with the H&H simply because of the historic significance of the H&H and I have just picked up a near new pre-mod 70 and it shoots under 3/4" with 180 partitions.

Either way you'll have a great hunt!

465H&H

465 : Totally agree with you on the differences between the 300s AND on the romance of the H&H in the Dark Continent, and both are very reliable, hence, my "dilemma!" . Can't let my wife pick, as she'll pick "the pretty one!" jorge

If your PH already happens to have a stash of only one of those cartridges that would make up my mind for me. Ask him

BG: Actaully, I left a stash of 300 Weatherby ammo with him last time I hunted with him jorge

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465 : Totally agree with you on the differences between the 300s AND on the romance of the H&H in the Dark Continent, and both are very reliable, hence, my "dilemma!" . Can't let my wife pick, as she'll pick "the pretty one!" jorge

OH! So she will pick the Mod70 as well!

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BG: Actaully, I left a stash of 300 Weatherby ammo with him last time I hunted with him jorge

Then there you go Jorge At this point for me there would be NO QUESTION.

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,,,,,,, Do I take my trusty 300 Weatherby with 180 Partitions or my pre-war Model 70 in 300 H&H also with Partitons.

Pre-WHICH-war???

Not that I'm trying to keep this thread alive or anything, but the picture below provides some food for thought jorge

PS: Oh yeah, taken with a 300 Weatherby. #7 all-time.

Personally, I would carry the pre-64 model 70 300 H&H for plains game. The CRF, extra cartridge, claw extractor and smooth action are over-whelming benefits!

I agree regarding the smoothness of the action and flawless feeding of the pre-64 70's. (which is why I detest the .300 WSM).

I have a pre-64 SG 70, 300 H&H - It's going with me in June!

Ray - what's your load for those 200 & 220s??

Jeff

Jorge:

Sometime, amongst my dumping your butt off of the ATV into waist high water, or shooting a dozen armadillos, or watching turkeys, or sipping single malt... I told you to quit worrying and take the H&H! I haven't changed my mind...

And I went by the hole where we submerged... and now that the water is down, I wonder why we didn't drown. That hole, at the center (which we missed) is a good 4 ft. deep. Add that to the two feet of standing water that was "disguising" the hole, and we were two lucky nasal radiators!

Yeah I know I'm acting more nervous than a virgin at the 91 Tailhook Convention. Wife's getting ready to shoot me with my indecision. Like I told her, now I know how it feels everytime women get ready to go out and can't make up their minds on wht dress to wear. Well, I still have 21 days! Guess I should listen to the poll results here!! jorge

PS: wife says that if you will help the "bereaved, wealthy and attractive widow" with the estate after the buff tears my ass up!
PPS: She also asks "how's your heart"

Take them both to the range. Zero them both to the desired distance. Then shoot a five shot group with each one. Which ever group is tightest is the one the Almighty wants you to take.

Jorge:

If the inquires from your wife were for me, please dump the .416 Rigby and take a Regent .22 short revolver and try a frontal brain shot from 5 yards.

That good looking wife of yours would make Richard Simmons go straight.

And, btw, since she will be in Africa with you, just make sure she doesn't find a 6.5x54 Mannlicher like the former Mrs. McComber!

Judge: We about died laughing over here. We'll both be there for the 4 July Fireworks & raffle and you still owe her a ride on the Harley.

GAHunter: Been there and done that. Too close to call! jorge

Jorge,

It is not right that you own a pre-64 model 70 in 300 H&H mag and there is a chance it won't go on safari. Should you decide not to take it, you will have shown grave disloyalty and should sell it to me. I will appreciate its nostalga, breeding and abilities and will make it the work horse of my 2006 Tanzania safari.

Took GA Hunter's advice and went to the range this morning. Fired two three shot groups apiece, both with 180gr Partitions. Model 70 had two touching and one slightly off at the 10 o'clock position, group size was 3/4". Fired the Weatherby. One ragged hole right at 2" high@ 100 yards, just like it's been since I bought it in 98. arrrgh! jorge

PS: Alos went to the bank and got my barrel full of traveler's checks AND my travel package arrived today from Gracy Travel...17 days to go,,,,,don't think I'll make it!

jorge!

Not to worry, we will listen to your whiskey laden tall tales when you get back no matter which rifle you take.

465H&H

I would opt for the .300 H&H it seems right with the .416 !!

I thing the WSM will go places as a short action / long range shooter, but not for Jorge.

The H&H would be classic but..

If he likes the Weatherby, shoots it well and has a ready stash of ammo in case the luggage gorilla loses his luggage but not his guncase, his answer is...

jorge: After reading this thread for a few days, and finally sensing your angst about not taking one rifle over other...both clearly having your respect, I conclude you must take the .300 Weatherby...the .300 H&H is an object art and history and must must be valued for it's place in the history and development of the fast .300s..but the .300 Wby is a modern rifle and modern caliber that performs extemely well...I own one and love it and it is superbly suited for what you intend to use it for.

Functionally speaking, if you took the .300 Wby, you would not be ingoring the .300 H&H, you would simply be acknowlegding where it's true value lays...and you would be acknowledging the value of the .300 Wby..take the Wby.

That is my cut on it..

Jorge,
Since the 300wby is the "son" of the 300H&H, take the offsrping. It's like taking both, in some strange, incestuous way. Have a great time.

jorge,

Forget the two rifle approach. Hell, plains game are just DG that haven't grown enough teeth or taste for meat.

Just find one of those loved but hated A-10 Warthogs, break off one of those seven (or is it six?) 30mm barrels, send it off to Ed Plummer, have it threaded and screwed onto an I-Beam based rail rifle, and make yourself a real DGR. Stick it on top of the cab of the Toyota Game Cruiser.

If you can get the titanium bathtub out of the fuselage, take that too.

Those buff can get PO'ed.

I just ordered the HS Precision Sporter Lightweight in .300 win mag. Of course after they make it left-handed with a 12.25" LOP, who knows what type of invoice I'll get. I'm looking forward to receiving it as I'm planning on it being my first actual safari rifle.

Good luck with whatever you decide to take - just enjoy!

Thank you all for your help with my "affliction." Started the "packing-unpacking" process yesterday. My wife thinks I'm "certifiably nuts." jorge