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I don't want to dump a political issue here if its not welcome, but following Ganyana's request for info about the UN, and given the UN's stated motives for their anti-gun program, and given they are squeezing African governments, do you think the following is important to African Hunting?

http://www.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/africa/08/29/south.africa.qaeda.reut/index.html

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Minister: Terror suspects hiding in southern Africa

CAPE TOWN, South Africa (Reuters) -- Individuals with links to al Qaeda and other groups are hiding in southern Africa and could be setting up networks within the region, South Africa's intelligence minister said on Monday.

"There are groups in Africa that claim to be part of al Qaeda and other structures," Ronnie Kasrils told delegates at an African naval conference in Cape Town.

"They have been seeking refuge in this part of the continent, but it is not just a question of seeking refuge, it is also quite possibly attempting to set up networks," he said.

Africa, the world's poorest continent, has been hit by a series of attacks with the latest claiming more than 60 lives in Egypt last month.

The attacks have mostly been directed at tourist spots but have killed hundreds of Africans, as was the case in 1998 when bombings targeted U.S. embassies in Dar es Salaam in Tanzania and Nairobi, Kenya.

Kasrils said individuals with links to extremist groups had been found in South Africa, Mozambique and other neighboring states and one person had been arrested in Zambia after visiting a number of southern African countries.

"Only alert security forces with community support can halt that [setting up terror networks]," he said.

He did not name the person arrested in Zambia. Briton Haroon Rashid Aswat, held on a U.S. extradition warrant and accused of plotting to set up a militant training camp in Oregon, was deported to Britain from that country earlier this month.

South Africa has been under international scrutiny after officials raised concern that forged South African identity papers were falling into the hands of extremists, who might find them easier to use than those from their home countries.

With developed financial and banking links with the West and a large, multi-racial population, South Africa is also seen by security analysts as possible base of operations for such groups.
 
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do you think the following is important to African Hunting?


Absolutely it is. There's little debate that most of the continent is politically, socially and by-and-large economically screwed up.

Poor people in poor countries with little for worldly posessions are more suseptable to these extreme messages.


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As it has been so aptly said before by many on AR: Go and hunt Africa while you can- financially, physically, and safely.
 
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They are doing the same thing in our country, setting up net works, after all WE are their prime target..

Oh yeah, I am going to keep hunting elk and mule deer...


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Well said Ray clap

I am more concerned about over hunting, poaching and environmental changes and their effects on the future of hunting in Africa.


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Its not so much that I am worried the terrorists will attack hunters. I am more worried that the governments' responses to terrorism will be akin to some things that Schumer, Boxer, et al have recommended -- and tried to impose -- for this country: increase regulation of firearms to the point it is impractical to keep them. Given Ganyana's comments, it looks like some of the African countries are more willing to go along with UN directives on small arms in an attempt to control terrorists and other crime.

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The crime the UN really needs to address isn't terrorism, it's kleptocracy (government by thieves!) that is so rampant in Africa. Armed citizens are harder to push around so the goal is to disarm them/us.


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A wise fellow who fought the wars in Angola, Rhodesia/Zim and Mozambique told me.. as we bumped along in a Land Rover and splashed beer around our faces as the driver tried to get back to camp before dark..

"Afican leaders truly believe not that they owe the country anything, but that the country owes them."

As long as a president and his henchmen have BMW's, trips to Paris for their wifes and honeys and a billion bucks here and there, there is no economic pressure (i.e., hunters dollars) that will influence them a bit. It is not as if they were weighing the effects of a loss of income against some foolish anti-terrorism scheme, but they simply pat each other on the back and agree on a way to disarm the populace.

Until the rest of the world quits propping up the thieving bastards with G-VI's, bank loans and a DisneyWorld called the U.N.... What is the incentive to use reason?

There are a couple of bright spots, however. For whatever reason, Tanzania had a GNP increase last year of 6.5% (explain that folks).. and Zambia exports foodstuffs. Botswanna allows some private ownership and long term leases and even has a U.S. sponsered pan-African police academy that tries its damnest to teach ethics along with proceedure.

Go while you can. The whole thing may close tomorrow.


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Africa will continue its slippery slide to oblivion and will one day have a new Colonial master - China.
 
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A wise fellow who fought the wars in Angola, Rhodesia/Zim and Mozambique told me.. as we bumped along in a Land Rover and splashed beer around our faces as the driver tried to get back to camp before dark..

"Afican leaders truly believe not that they owe the country anything, but that the country owes them."

As long as a president and his henchmen have BMW's, trips to Paris for their wifes and honeys and a billion bucks here and there, there is no economic pressure (i.e., hunters dollars) that will influence them a bit. It is not as if they were weighing the effects of a loss of income against some foolish anti-terrorism scheme, but they simply pat each other on the back and agree on a way to disarm the populace.

Until the rest of the world quits propping up the thieving bastards with G-VI's, bank loans and a DisneyWorld called the U.N.... What is the incentive to use reason?

There are a couple of bright spots, however. For whatever reason, Tanzania had a GNP increase last year of 6.5% (explain that folks).. and Zambia exports foodstuffs. Botswanna allows some private ownership and long term leases and even has a U.S. sponsered pan-African police academy that tries its damnest to teach ethics along with proceedure.

Go while you can. The whole thing may close tomorrow.


Hello JudgeG

Some fine words there, you have a good grasp of the situation

BUT unfortunately a large number of our White Liberal brothers and sisters have been perverted by the do gooders and fools in our Western societies and brain washed to the n'th degree that the way to fix it is to pour in more money ....

Yes Zambia is doing very well from what i gather but they are also essentially propped up by foreign handouts and money gifts and other organisations that are holding their hand ///
BUT essentially Zambia have welcomed in foreign investors like us ranchers and others and by Africa standards investment is quite easy.

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Peter -- you're right! But those folks love to tie strings to their money. The UN is offering programs (call it bribes) providing funds to assist in disarmament.

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