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I notice some of the well known Phs and Outfitters charge $1 for each dove/sand grouse shot while on safari. I also see charges for Jackals and Baboons. I have also seen charges for a "picked up horn." You think this is a good marketing policy? | ||
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No, I don't. As a matter of fact, it was reason enough not to consider some companies when I was doing my research. "There are worse memorials to a life well-lived than a pair of elephant tusks." Robert Ruark | |||
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_______________ Does the hosting Government(s) maybe require this of the Ph's and Outfitters? Reason I ask is that I just can't see them (gov'ts) allowing any freebies. | |||
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The goverment does not have a say in my pricing, it is a free market. Personally I would not charge per bird as you can not garentee it will fly close enough for a shot and there are bag limits. Some game farms charge for vermin while athers do not. It is also a matter of making money(hunting in SA is a bussiness) for the farmer, if you only hunt say jackal for free and not shoot any other animals the farmer make only the day fee. Some farms actually ask you that if you run into jackal,caracal or baboon you must shoot it at no charge. Make the first shot count!! Wimpie | |||
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TJ, Alot of that is just "boilerplate" as they say. I have shot doves and francolin quite often and never been charged. Just like most bochures say that alcohol is not included...on three safaris I have never been charged for a drink. The prices get put their so hunters don't abuse the privilege. Just ask about it and it will probably get waived. As far as good marketing...I suspect ver few people would remove an outfitter from the list of potential outfitters because of charges for birds... Mike Never under estimate the internet community's ability to reply to your post with their personal rant about their tangentially related, single occurrence issue.  What I have learned on AR, since 2001: 1. The proper answer to: Where is the best place in town to get a steak dinner? is…You should go to Mel's Diner and get the fried chicken. 2. Big game animals can tell the difference between .015 of an inch in diameter, 15 grains of bullet weight, and 150 fps. 3. There is a difference in the performance of two identical projectiles launched at the same velocity if they came from different cartridges. 4. While a double rifle is the perfect DGR, every 375HH bolt gun needs to be modified to carry at least 5 down. 5. While a floor plate and detachable box magazine both use a mechanical latch, only the floor plate latch is reliable. Disregard the fact that every modern military rifle uses a detachable box magazine. 6. The Remington 700 is unreliable regardless of the fact it is the basis of the USMC M40 sniper rifle for 40+ years with no changes to the receiver or extractor and is the choice of more military and law enforcement sniper units than any other rifle. 7. PF actions are not suitable for a DGR and it is irrelevant that the M1, M14, M16, & AK47 which were designed for hunting men that can shoot back are all PF actions. 8. 95 deg F in Africa is different than 95 deg F in TX or CA and that is why you must worry about ammunition temperature in Africa (even though most safaris take place in winter) but not in TX or in CA. 9. The size of a ding in a gun's finish doesn't matter, what matters is whether it’s a safe ding or not. 10. 1 in a row is a trend, 2 in a row is statistically significant, and 3 in a row is an irrefutable fact. 11. Never buy a WSM or RCM cartridge for a safari rifle or your go to rifle in the USA because if they lose your ammo you can't find replacement ammo but don't worry 280 Rem, 338-06, 35 Whelen, and all Weatherby cartridges abound in Africa and back country stores. 12. A well hit animal can run 75 yds. in the open and suddenly drop with no initial blood trail, but the one I shot from 200 yds. away that ran 10 yds. and disappeared into a thicket and was not found was lost because the bullet penciled thru. I am 100% certain of this even though I have no physical evidence. 13. A 300 Win Mag is a 500 yard elk cartridge but a 308 Win is not a 300 yard elk cartridge even though the same bullet is travelling at the same velocity at those respective distances. | |||
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If they didn't put a price on them, then some a-hole would show up (thinking he found a loop-hole) and want to shoot 1-million of them for free, and we'd end up reading about it in some class-action lawsuit against a safari operator - not too much unlike the "tusks fialing to measure up" story we've seen recently. Although they are one the rate-card, I've never been charged for shooting a dove or any other bird, and certainly wouldn't let the list price of a dove determine which outfit I used. | |||
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TJ I agree with the rest of these guys in that you really don't know the story on what you will be charged for until you get on the ground. Although I would not book a safari expecting any freebies. I have been charged for every drink, bottle of beer and wine. I also have been allowed to shoot old non-trophy oryx, impala, warthog, birds, a buffalo cow and an elephant on various safaris at no charge. You don't really know the deal until you are there. Regards, Mark MARK H. YOUNG MARK'S EXCLUSIVE ADVENTURES 7094 Oakleigh Dr. Las Vegas, NV 89110 Office 702-848-1693 Cell, Whats App, Signal 307-250-1156 PREFERRED E-mail markttc@msn.com Website: myexclusiveadventures.com Skype: markhyhunter Check us out on https://www.facebook.com/pages...ures/627027353990716 | |||
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I much prefer as much of a one price includes whatever agreed upon up front to being nickled and dimed to death later. | |||
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I was allowed to pick up "curios" such as ostrich and Guinea fowl feathers but when I found a set of horns I was told I couldn't have them.....there wasn't a price on them.....I just couldn't have them. I was also allowed to bring home Porcupine quills and yes.....believe it or not snail shells I found at least 3,000' above sea level.......strange place for snail shells.....and they looked good. /////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// "Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery." Winston Churchill | |||
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Vapodog, Are you sure that the snails were sea snails? There are quite a few kinds of land snails in africa (that are eaten by locals, but without the garlicbutter!  ). I'm wondering since you say that they looked good. If we're talking about "fossils", then please forgive me for misunderstanding. | |||
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Vapodog What I've been told is that if you have any major part of an animal such as a set of horns in your trophy shipment it would be treated as a trophy and you would have to pay a full trophy fee. I tried to buy an elephant skull for a collector friend while in while in Botswana but it wasn't worth a full trophy fee. Each country might be different but that's what I ran into. I found the same type of shells in Tanzania and was puzzled until I found out in the rainy season the live snails are all over. Regards, Mark MARK H. YOUNG MARK'S EXCLUSIVE ADVENTURES 7094 Oakleigh Dr. Las Vegas, NV 89110 Office 702-848-1693 Cell, Whats App, Signal 307-250-1156 PREFERRED E-mail markttc@msn.com Website: myexclusiveadventures.com Skype: markhyhunter Check us out on https://www.facebook.com/pages...ures/627027353990716 | |||
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I think the problem is as stated, trophy fees are matched to the number of horns and skulls taken back. I found a set of sable horns still attached to the bleached skull on my first safari, and after picking it up was told - you can't take it back. We took it back to camp and hung it on the fence. I have occasionally picked up snail shells of the big land snails, small skulls like civets and genets, and a few cape buffalo neck bones once and had no problem bringing them back with me. The one thing that I found strange was being charged wounded and lost fee ($10) for a rock hyrax (dassie). This was on a safari with $1000 a day fees. I kidded my PH a bit about that, but his comment was-the game scout was right there. I had a friend who went on a $50,000 safari and was charged for every coke he drank at $1.00 each. The PH had kept detailed notes. My friend was not inpressed. I was suprised once when one of the camp staff came to my room with a bunch of little wooden carvings that he wanted to sell me. | |||
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I'm just a dummy sitting here in Alaska reading all the ads from Outfitters/Phs on the internet. If their ad says Doves $1.00, Guinea Fowl $5, Jackal $50 I believe it. It will and did make a difference in who I hunted with. Does the PH normally charge more for a hunt when he gets to be well known? One guy charges $1200 for a Kudu and next door you can get one for $650. One guy charges $400/day and next door it is $250/day. The reason I ask, in Alaska, a well known guide may get a little more for a Bear, but not much. I think I know the answer. It's what ever the traffic will bear. As long as some dummy will pay $1200 for a Kudu when he can get one next door for $650, it will continue. Would you call that supply and demand? It continues to amaze me at the differences in prices for an African hunt. | |||
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TJ. It may come as no surprise to you, but that is the conundrum of Africa. It is what puts most people off of hunting Africa. You spend say 12K for air fare and daily rates on a hunt. If someone else gets a hunt that is essentially similar, do you feel screwed or foolish, OR do you just enjoy the adventure? I am associated with many affluent hunters and to a man they worry about being screwed more than whether they will have a good time. They assume that they will have a good time, they just dont want to look foolish doing it. Once the Africa bite sets on you and you go, each trip you book you try to set the deal a little tighter, you look into all of the nuances that can impact the trip and decide on that basis. I have never been on a trip yet that did not have a snag. I keep going and the snags keep getting smaller, but once Africa is in your blood you are compelled to return often. square shooter | |||
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TJ As you may know I just moved from the Dillingham, AK to Cody, WY after 20 odd years out there. I know what you mean about the huge difference in prices for what appears to be essentially the same hunt in Africa. Confusing! Some of the higher end hunts are just that. You do get a better experience, perhaps see more game and better trophies and hunt better areas. Of course some of very most expensive are using their name to pad the price list and that appeals to some folks. They can say I hunt with so and so the famous PH. If I can be of some help in sorting through the jungle of hunt offerings contact me anytime. Talk costs you nothing. Regards, Mark MARK H. YOUNG MARK'S EXCLUSIVE ADVENTURES 7094 Oakleigh Dr. Las Vegas, NV 89110 Office 702-848-1693 Cell, Whats App, Signal 307-250-1156 PREFERRED E-mail markttc@msn.com Website: myexclusiveadventures.com Skype: markhyhunter Check us out on https://www.facebook.com/pages...ures/627027353990716 | |||
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