Hello, first I've been doing a lot of reading here and thanks to all for sharing information on AR.

Using a .375H&H on Plains Game, would you use a 250gr or 300gr Swift A Frame bullet in your reloads. I get great accuracy with the 250s, why should I even bother with trying 300s? Just wondering if there's something I'm missing, Waidmannsheil, Dom.

Dom, if you are going to shoot large plains game I would go to a bigger bullet..I shoot 300grs out of my 375...Now if you are confident with your 250grers I would not change them...You know how they perform so stay with them..They are premium bullets that is enough..

Mike

If you like to tinker with loads, try a 270 gr Barnes X. I load them in my 375. They work great on everything I have shot with it so far. I have never personally shot a Buffalo with this gun, but clients have. Worked well.

It is a flat shooting, hard hitting round that is suitable for anything you might encounter.

I was not aware that Swift made an A frame 250 grain in 375 diameter. I have been loading the 270's for .......well since they made the first run of them about 5 years ago. The only reason to use a 300 grain is for Buffalo Giraffe and bigger then those animals. The 270 A frame is a magnificent bullet when shot from the 375HH.

The first year "Canuck" hunted with me he used my rifle and loads. All 270 Aframes in my 375. He shot as I recall each animal once except the big Eland which did not need the second shot. Most of the game fell where it stood. I use Canuck as an example as he posts here (moderator) so he can add anything to the comments.

I have shot and seen shot a dozen Brown bears with this rifle and load as well. All were easily killed as well. The higher speed of the 270 grain bullet, about 2800fps really provides a huge whack with that double size mushroom of the Aframe. I have not used 300 grainers for any plains game since these became available.

Here are a couple of bullet boards with some Aframes. You may have to enlarge the pictures to read the text.





I have since loaded ammo for a number of guys going to Alaska for bears or for African hunts. All used the same load in the 375HH, none had any problems but you should load wiith caution in your gun.

75 grains RL-15 standard rifle primer, Federal 210 (for me) using the 270 grain Aframe. These by the way are the same speed and POI as the Hornady 270 grain Heavy magnum factory loads.

Dom

This does not contradict anything others have said but I personally have shot several animals with the 250 Swift in 375 particularly before the 270 Swift came out. If it shoots well in your rifle it should be devastating on plains game. I got almost 2900fps with a case full of IMR 4350 from a 22" barrel.

Having said the above I think as JJ said the 270 A frame is the best of all worlds for general game with the 375. The 300 gr. is not necessary unless buffalo are on the menu.

Regards,

Mark

Thanks to all for the great information. I must have overlooked the 270 grainer when I ordered last time, don't remember seeing it, but I think I'll order some and give them a shot. I would agree if Buff were on the menu I'd shoot the 300's, but that's not the case. I figured I'd gain a little flatter trajectory with the 250s, but 270s ain't gonna be far off the mark either.

That's an excellent 'proof' chart JJ, Waidmannsheil, Dom.

The 250 bullet has a bit more dramatic effect on plainsgame, even Eland..I doubt if there is such a thing as 250 grs. of failure in a 375 on plainsgame if you stick the bullet in the right place....

I prefer the Northforks, woodleighs and GS customs bullets myself, but thats what makes a horse race....

I believe the Swift bullets ball up in a very smooth ball and sometimes the have not had the desired effect that I wanted whereas a bullet with wings that tear seem to kill better IMO....

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The first year "Canuck" hunted with me he used my rifle and loads. All 270 Aframes in my 375. He shot as I recall each animal once except the big Eland which did not need the second shot. Most of the game fell where it stood. I use Canuck as an example as he posts here (moderator) so he can add anything to the comments.

Actually, on that trip I never put a second shot into anything. I wasn't trying to preserve a one shot/one kill streak or anything like that...it was just that nothing needed a follow up. Most everything died in their tracks
(blue wildebeeste, impala, zebra, gemsbok, steenbok), and the others (kudu and eland) made it behind brush before I could get a follow up, and died before we closed the gap on them.

Anyway, I have been very pleased by the A-frame bullet in a few different calibres, and with all due respect to Ray, in my experience they kill as fast or faster than anything else I have ever used (which includes premiums like Nos Parts, GS Custom and Barnes X, but does not include North Forks). In fact, I think the contention about them being less damaging because they don't form jagged petals is hooey, but that's just mho, and it wouldn't be any fun if we all had the same opinions, eh?

Cheers,
Canuck

I'd be very happy with 270 gr. A-Frames loaded to 2700 fps. in the 375 H&H for any plainsgame hunting, plus lion and leopard.

AD

I doubt that in the field you would be able to see any difference between the 270 and 250 A-Frame. The discussion is mostly academic in nature. Take the one you feel confident in placing in the right place.

465H&H

Unless you are after DG, I see no real reason to shoot the 300gr if the 250gr work well for you. I can't imagine any antelope taking a well placed one thru the ribs & running off to ruin your hunt.
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Originally posted by Dom:
Hello, first I've been doing a lot of reading here and thanks to all for sharing information on AR.

Using a .375H&H on Plains Game, would you use a 250gr or 300gr Swift A Frame bullet in your reloads. I get great accuracy with the 250s, why should I even bother with trying 300s? Just wondering if there's something I'm missing, Waidmannsheil, Dom.

The 300 gr. will penetrate deeper. Eland weigh 2200 to 2400 pounds. Giraffe weigh 4000 pounds. Lots of penetration is needed.