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Originally posted by Scott King:
It strikes me as a bit funny to read the responses typed from the comfort of a climate controled room, in an upholstered chair, on a computer linked to the internet, with the guaranteed safety of the anonimnity of the WWW, proclaiming valiant stands against all hazards of the DG variety.

I don't doubt many would like to believe they would. Certainly many have stood their ground. When proclaiming fearlessness via the internet does one smack the keyboard keys with extra bravado also?

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Originally posted by Head Trauma:
I believe that, morally and ethically, a client is obliged to stand with the PH if a charge situation develops. After all, you are the reason he is out there with you in the first place.

The PH telling you to stay behind while he sorts out the buffalo or leopard you gutshot after the fact is another matter.

To cut and run when a charge develops, leaving the PH and the unarmed trackers to fend for themselves is very bad form.

On my '08 hunt with Alan Shearing (my first ever ele hunt) in Chewore South I had a talk with myself and vowed, no matter what happened, I would not run if we got charged. I was sure I would never have to cash that chit.

Sure enough, next day we got charged by a cow with a calf. She came to within an eyelash of sorting us out. I believe the fact we were standing on a small hill saved us from harm. The sitation developed so fast that it seemed very surreal. Alan was standing to my right and Shaun Buffee was on my left with his video camera, filming the whole thing.
Truth be told, I think I was too dumb and inexperienced to run. I remember telling myself to let Alan shoot first. The video shows how very close she got before she was stopped.

It is all very academic until it really happens to you. If it does, I hope you have thought about why it is called DG hunting beforehand, have considered your obligations, and that you do not get stepped on or scratched.

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Points out the need for using enough gun to knock an elephant down, eh?

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Originally posted by Saeed:

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Points out the need for using enough gun to knock an elephant down, eh?

Not at all.

It points to not hitting in the right place, regardless of caliber.

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Originally posted by Saeed:

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Points out the need for using enough gun to knock an elephant down, eh?

Not at all.

It points to not hitting in the right place, regardless of caliber.

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Originally posted by MJines:
How many times do you have to quote the legendary Pondoro Taylor's admonition:

"Obviously, therefore, if the bullet is not too accurately placed, the heavier the blow that it delivers the greater the certainty of knocking the animal down and permitting of a second shot being fired . . . If you are sufficiently interested in the subject to look up the records, you will find that in the vast majority of case where men are killed or injured by elephant in Africa, that such men were either using rifles throwing very light bullets or else cheap, mass-production weapons which let them down at the critical moment. . . The mere capacity to kill, alone, is not enough. Before a rifle can be termed a safe, suitable and satisfactory weapon for elephant, it must have sufficient power to knock down an elephant under all conditions. 'Shock', as applied to heavy massive-boned animals like elephant, does not refer to killing power, but to the ability of the rifle to knock the animal down. And this is where so many men go astray."

Thus it was said, thus it was written. Can I get an Amen please?

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Originally posted by MJines:
How many times do you have to quote the legendary Pondoro Taylor's admonition:

"Obviously, therefore, if the bullet is not too accurately placed, the heavier the blow that it delivers the greater the certainty of knocking the animal down and permitting of a second shot being fired . . . If you are sufficiently interested in the subject to look up the records, you will find that in the vast majority of cases where men are killed or injured by elephant in Africa, that such men were either using rifles throwing very light bullets or else cheap, mass-production weapons which let them down at the critical moment. . . The mere capacity to kill, alone, is not enough. Before a rifle can be termed a safe, suitable and satisfactory weapon for elephant, it must have sufficient power to knock down an elephant under all conditions. 'Shock', as applied to heavy massive-boned animals like elephant, does not refer to killing power, but to the ability of the rifle to knock the animal down. And this is where so many men go astray."

Thus it was said, thus it was written. Can I get an Amen please?

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Originally posted by Scott King:
It strikes me as a bit funny to read the responses typed from the comfort of a climate controled room, in an upholstered chair, on a computer linked to the internet, with the guaranteed safety of the anonimnity of the WWW, proclaiming valiant stands against all hazards of the DG variety.

I don't doubt many would like to believe they would. Certainly many have stood their ground. When proclaiming fearlessness via the internet does one smack the keyboard keys with extra bravado also?

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Originally posted by David Hulme:

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Originally posted by Milo Shanghai:

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Originally posted by Scott King:
It strikes me as a bit funny to read the responses typed from the comfort of a climate controled room, in an upholstered chair, on a computer linked to the internet, with the guaranteed safety of the anonimnity of the WWW, proclaiming valiant stands against all hazards of the DG variety.

I don't doubt many would like to believe they would. Certainly many have stood their ground. When proclaiming fearlessness via the internet does one smack the keyboard keys with extra bravado also?

Plenty of people here have made a point of saying they were scared. Personally, I am about as scared of lion as a person could be.

The most devastatingly effective hand to hand guys I have seen all said they were frightened of taking a beating and that's why they were so ruthless at disposing of the opponent/s first.

I don't see a lot of chest-thumping on AR in this topic. But just because you may be bloody scared does not mean you're going to turn tail and run. In many cases it enables you to fight harder with more clarity of thought as the adrenaline slows time down.

So very well said Milo. You may be about as scared of lions as a person could be, but I am as scared of them as a person could be!
Once, when involved in a fairly hair-raising encounter with an elephant cow, I told Mr Roger Whittall how scared I had been. He said that only a fool does not feel fear, and that it is fear that will give a man clarity and courage and keep him alive. There is a fundamental difference between fear and cowardice. Anyway, my confession to Mr Whittall was not entirely accurate, because at the time I did not feel anything, it all happened way too fast. The fear came after the event when I realized what difference a second or two could make... Does this make any sense?
I like Tom In Tennessee's comment re the John Greeff incident - you can't know what you'd do until you've been there...People react differently to extreme danger. I know John Greeff and I know he would have reacted the same way if anyone was in the same situation as his stepson was.

Amen, Pondoro, Mike, Will etc...Bigger the better when it comes to elephant. Stop it, knock it down, give yourself time....My brother has just stepped up from a 500 to a 577

Cheers, David

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.My brother has just stepped up from a 500 to a 577

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Originally posted by Will:

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.My brother has just stepped up from a 500 to a 577

I thought PH's were fearless.

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Originally posted by MJines:
Is Harm the Canadian hunting with his wife or significant other wearing a goofy hat? I think he is the guy from the TAA episode where the PH threw the the rocket cow and she exploded .

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Originally posted by Scott King:
It strikes me as a bit funny to read the responses typed from the comfort of a climate controled room, in an upholstered chair, on a computer linked to the internet, with the guaranteed safety of the anonimnity of the WWW, proclaiming valiant stands against all hazards of the DG variety.

I don't doubt many would like to believe they would. Certainly many have stood their ground. When proclaiming fearlessness via the internet does one smack the keyboard keys with extra bravado also?

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Originally posted by Palmer:
Mike,
I don't know if he is Canadian but he definately had a goofy hat and there was a woman on the hunt.

And yes, the ph - Mike Payne of Chifuti Safaris did throw something at the cow.

The next hunt Harm is featured loading his double rifle (which he always carries pointing directly at the ph's butt) with what appears to be factory ammo and stating "Time to load up - ya never know - might see a big bull elephant out there."

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Originally posted by Idaho Sharpshooter:
I will cheerfully admit the reason I think the stick leaders all wore at least size 14 boots. To help your apprehensive young ass out of that airplane. We were all scared, anyone who wasn't was a fool. I saw more than one troop get a boost out of the plane.