Just in to CHASA's office:

Now the first poisoned rhino horn funeral !!

THAILAND - Bangkok Star - 18th August

A woman mourns over the body of her deceased husband after he had purchased apparently purposely contaminated Rhino horn on the open market in Bangkok. The source of the contamination is still to be verified but it is thought to be from a private game farm somewhere in southern Africa.
Officials in Thailand are frantic to identify the source, as the powdered horn is sold in miniscule amounts and they have no idea how much has already been distributed thoughout Bangkok. Local hospitals are on standby for an unprecendented influx of new cases.



Officials are unable get information as the rhino horn dealers in Bangkok are being unco-operative. They neither want to be fingered as being the provider of the poisoned horn, not do they want to reveal their illegal international sources. It is believed that private game farm owners in southern Africa are colluding between themselves to distribute an effective poison that is harmless to the animals but harmful, or even fatal as in this case, to those that ingest the contaminated horn.

A game farm owner from the North West Province who obviously wishes to remain anonymous, has admitted to using the poison on 4 of his animals. Three of them have shown no side-effects whatsoever 2 months after the poison was injected into the horns. However the 4th rhino was slaughtered and de-horned on a remote part of his farm in the last week of July. When asked to comment on the death in Thailand from suspect poisoned rhino horn, he refused to be drawn into the morals of the farmers joint action. He said that there would be many more cases in the near future as he was personally aware of at least another 5 slaughters of contaminated rhinos in the North West Province alone.

Authorities in South Africa are unable to comment on the "poison" collusion among the game farm owners nor are they able to verify the source of the contaminated horn.



Despite the ethical furore the poisoning of rhino horn may trigger, to many of us this is what we've been waiting for - It's great news in a desperate fight - at last a positive way to fight back to help save the rhino, no matter how illegal - after all the poachers & the "Rhino Mafia" & corrupt politicians or official's acts are also very much illegal !! - all hell will break loose but always remember - " 'n boer maak 'n plan" - this one's desperate but terrific and will wake the Zim, Mozam, SA & Provincial Gov's & Authorities & those further north from their arrogant/corrupt slumbers !! The fight's really on - can't wait !! - Well done to the farmers & rhino owners !!



ZWF Comments by Tim Condon

very well done indeed, could this be done to wild rhino as well ?

best

peter

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Originally posted by peterdk:
very well done indeed, could this be done to wild rhino as well ?

best

peter

What on earth is a WILD rhino? They ALL belong to someone or some government now....

Sounds like a PETA scare tactic to me. NO facts, no names and no concrete reporting. "A woman...."...source of the contamination is still to be verified..."Officials are frantic"... "local hospitals"..."a game farm owner"... "anonymous"..."authorities"...

Blow me.

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Originally posted by Kamo Gari:


Blow me.

Not today, but thanks.

Perhaps it was Kathi.....but someone none the less that recently posted an article about them considering poisoning the horns to discourage poachers. I personally think it's a great idea. Harsh...yes.....affective.....YES!

Brett

they use it to get hard right?? well he's good and stiff now

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Originally posted by ddrhook:
they use it to get hard right?? well he's good and stiff now

+1

http://www.iol.co.za/index.php...39735C278499&set_id=


Brett, here is the article about the poisoning.

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Originally posted by ddrhook:
they use it to get hard right?? well he's good and stiff now

More coffee damage to the keyboard!

ssshhhhhhhh don't tell Mummy she gets upset with me when I make you mess up your pc BUT it's so much fun I can't resist

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1st Death from Poison Rhino Horn

to many many more!

here's to a pandemic's worth

I hope they figure out a way to poison them all...

Rich
DRSS

It'll make 'em think twice about whether or not that boner will be worth it..
Good, I hope this becomes weekly news here on AR.

Shame they will have to resort to Viagra and the like now. Big Pharma should benefit greatly and hopefully the rhinos will be left alone.

Man I think we should start a fund to provide money for such medicine...aka poisons and vets to administer!

"It's the does that makes the poison" Paracelsus 1541AD

I think this is a great idea!

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Originally posted by Aspen Hill Adventures:
Shame they will have to resort to Viagra and the like now. Big Pharma should benefit greatly and hopefully the rhinos will be left alone.

I wonder if we could talk Pfizer into financing some of the poisoning efforts?

Brett

Actually, the Asians belive it cures just about everything, women also eat it if they want to conceive a boy. A few years back there were a few cases kidney failure after folks injested Rino horn. Hmmm, wonder if it just took awhile to get the poison right.

They should buy parts of all the diffrent animals and put them back on the market. The chinese will learn fast and it will maybe safe some of the most fabulous animals on earth.
Stupid chinese medicine.

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Originally posted by Oryxhunter1983:
Man I think we should start a fund to provide money for such medicine...aka poisons and vets to administer!

"It's the does that makes the poison" Paracelsus 1541AD

I think this is a great idea!

Now there is an intelligent post.



Pick me! Pick me! I wanna go!

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Originally posted by Stephen Palos:


A woman mourns over the body of her deceased husband after he had purchased apparently purposely contaminated Rhino horn on the open market in Bangkok.

Guys, I'm all for saving the rhino, but no species deserves to be saved from extinction if it means the loss of innocent human.

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Guys, I'm all for saving the rhino, but no species deserves to be saved from extinction if it means the loss of innocent human.

If he/she was buying rhino horn...he/she ain't innocent.

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Originally posted by JBrown:

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Originally posted by Stephen Palos:


A woman mourns over the body of her deceased husband after he had purchased apparently purposely contaminated Rhino horn on the open market in Bangkok.

Guys, I'm all for saving the rhino, but no species deserves to be saved from extinction if it means the loss of innocent human.

Just kidding!


I would really love to see this work. For some reason it seems fitting that some of the people that promote the killing of animals to the point of extinction deserve to should suffer for their actions.

"he's stiff now"
+1

I wish they could do this with tiger bone some how.....after the tiger is dead of course...!

LANE- you were the exact person, I thought of when thinking about who should lead the Poison the Rhino Horn Conservation Initiative!

I think this is the smartest idea I've ever heard, very creative!~

Seems we may be celebrating too soon:

http://www.citizen.co.za/index...local-news&Itemid=34

Maybe we could figure out a way to poison the shark fins too.

Reminds me of the "tree huggers" pounding steel spikes into timber, so as to prevent logging.

Just to put things in perspective:

There's a lot of "anti's" out there who would happily poisen venison, trophys, skins & pelts etc etc......

Perhaps we should just farm rhinos?

Unfortunately this sounds too good to be true. With my medical background I am skeptical to several points of this story; this poison needs to be immensely strong to kill somebody in the quantities of horn somebody would take as medication. Anything that strong would kill the rhino as the dose injected into the horn would have to be thousands of times larger than a lethal dose for a human. Even if there is no blood vessel s in the horn a poison like this would defuse into the circulation and kill the rhino. Lastly the poison would have to be stable over time (ia not be degraded) and resistant to drying? I don’t believe it.

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Originally posted by Carl Frederik Nagell:
Unfortunately this sounds too good to be true. With my medical background I am skeptical to several points of this story; this poison needs to be immensely strong to kill somebody in the quantities of horn somebody would take as medication. Anything that strong would kill the rhino as the dose injected into the horn would have to be thousands of times larger than a lethal dose for a human. Even if there is no blood vessel s in the horn a poison like this would defuse into the circulation and kill the rhino. Lastly the poison would have to be stable over time (ia not be degraded) and resistant to drying? I don’t believe it.

Carl, if you read further down you'll see the post that tells it's a hoax.
But just a question from a technical side; rhino horn is simply dense hair. Why should there not be a suitable poison that could somehow be impregnated into it that could cause illness or death to anyone who ingests it? I'm thinking here of such things as carbamate, risin etc.

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Originally posted by Stephen Palos:

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Originally posted by Carl Frederik Nagell:
Unfortunately this sounds too good to be true. With my medical background I am skeptical to several points of this story; this poison needs to be immensely strong to kill somebody in the quantities of horn somebody would take as medication. Anything that strong would kill the rhino as the dose injected into the horn would have to be thousands of times larger than a lethal dose for a human. Even if there is no blood vessel s in the horn a poison like this would defuse into the circulation and kill the rhino. Lastly the poison would have to be stable over time (ia not be degraded) and resistant to drying? I don’t believe it.

Carl, if you read further down you'll see the post that tells it's a hoax.
But just a question from a technical side; rhino horn is simply dense hair. Why should there not be a suitable poison that could somehow be impregnated into it that could cause illness or death to anyone who ingests it? I'm thinking here of such things as carbamate, risin etc.

It might work, but only if it was done after the horn was cut off.

CF

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Originally posted by David Hulme:

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Originally posted by Kamo Gari:


Blow me.

Not today, but thanks.

OK. At least you were polite about it.

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Originally posted by gwhjack:
Maybe we could figure out a way to poison the shark fins too.

I agree wholeheartedly on that one too. Sharks are critical to the ecological health of the ocean, damn shark finning pisses me off to no end.

I think the trick is finding a middle man that handles the items after they're harvested, adding the poison. I agree Pfizer should be approached about funding What would happen is that contamination would scare people and no way of knowing what was safe and what wasn't. Poaching is illegal, this is a great way to at least slow it down.

The difference in tree huggers spiking trees and the like is they are doing it to harm somebody who is not breaking the law, is doing what is allowed.

Red

Stephen, you are a bad influence. You make me wonder about ways to improve the sabotage of rhino horn. My thoughts immediately call for a substance which cannot be rendered ineffective by boiling, but is still readily identifiable. The conclusion I came to is that a radioactive substance might be found which will not injure rhinos (being isolated in the horn and not systemically circulating). My thoughts roam in the direction of radioactive iodine. Anyone using such horn would be easily identified just by holding a geiger counter up to his throat and lower neck (where the thyroid is located). My next thought is about which radionuclide. Well, Iodine-131 is very cheap to obtain and administer. It decays with beta emissions and gamma emissions (electrons and ionizing radiation). Such a product could be distributed in a kit which would fit in a container the size of a Fed-Ex envelope. The container would have iodine vial, hypodermic needle, narrow gauge drill bit, special radiation proof gloves (readily available) and instructions.

The essential ingredient in this concept is that the contaminated horn becomes easily identifiable (with a geiger counter) and therefore no one, neither poacher or middle-man would want anything to do with it, especially if the user population of Korea, Thailand, China, etc. gets cautious. If such thinking catches on, there could be a race between the contaminatiors and the pochers to access all the remaining untreated rhino. There is also another isotope of iodine with a longer half-life. I-131 has a half life of 8 days, although it will remain radioactive indefinitely. On the other hand, I-129 has a half life of 16 Million years. No doubt your post could spark others to have similar speculations and contaminant suggestions which might solve the poaching problem even better.

Oh my, the next thought in this sequence is in a similar "vein." The idea is to produce the poppies in Afghanestan, flood the market with a lot of cheap heroin (laced of course with your favorite contaminant) and therefore make IV drug use unpopular in a hurry. See what you started?

To the poison horns!!!

I still think the easy solution is to let the Chinese and all those other buggers that want rhino horn to simply buy excess live ones from us, ship them home and then farm them just like everyone farms cattle and sheep etc.

They probably even have the technology to genetically modify them to produce faster growing horns etc.

Then the problem's solved.

The chinese probably have enough in their zoos right now to do that. Just let them take the zoo rhinos and farm them. They could then put up cardboard cutouts or motorized rhino decoys in the zoos to take their place for the time being. The average Chinese zoo goer probably wouldn't care, especially if they put up a sign explaining the reasons behind their rhino farming.

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Originally posted by Nakihunter:
I wish they could do this with tiger bone some how.....after the tiger is dead of course...!

+1.