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They don't like it, they can bloody well go to hell.

That might work in UAE, but just exactly how much hunting is available in UAE?

We are at the mercy of changing Public opinion and pressure, that is NOT going to decrease or simply go away.

I do not like the idea of what the future holds, but two things that need to be kept in mind by those of us over 50.

This world and attitudes toward hunting have changed, and not for the good.

Those that are following or attempting to, in our foot steps do not view hunting in the same manner as we do/did.

Pretty sad to watch the Tragedy of the Commons play out before your eyes.

I can't abide by most of the hunting shows or most of the folks Ive met that do them..Many are phony as hell..When I see these guys staring at a trohphy waiting and for it to pose for the shot while I shout at the TV, shoot that SOB!! , then waiting until the cameraman can get on the animal and waiting 15 minutes to crank the safety off I have to know the whole thing is staged, oh yeah and the stand bench rest they have to have to make the shot, BTW you know the kill is made first, then the stalk etc is contrived..Ive seen that a couple of times when these guys were hunting big game where I used to hunt birds at one time..Same on African shows while the hunter gets a tree rest and is waiting for a difficult shot, and the safety is still off, so he misses several opertunities, then when the shot shows again he slowly aims, gets a good sight picture I suppose, then slowly pushes the safety off, that should have been off to start with while on the bull...They must hunt on ranches where to instant of opertunity is non existant..

Bill Quimby,
I certainly will not discount your approach, it certainly makes since to me, sometimes I forget that I was raised wild in Texas cow country, and live in Idaho, Two of the last of the great states for freemen. We even put a season on wolves, so maybe all the victories aren't lost.

As for myself, they will never pass a law wherein I cannot or will not hunt, all they will do is create a million criminals and a world of chaos!, same with gun laws.

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This comment and related video clips was raised several years ago but the majority of the AR crowd pissed on it - only now, several years later has it sunk in!

Sometimes, people simply do not want to face reality.

Until we police ourselves those that want to take hunting away from us are going to win.

What reality?

From the nutcases who want us to comply withe all their stupid desires?

When one hunts, one kills animals.

That is the reality of it.

They don't like it, they can bloody well go to hell.

These are the same people who are quite happy going to McDonald's to get a burger or to the supermarket to get a steak to cook at home.

Completely ignoring the fact those animals were actually KILLED for their nourishment and enjoyment.

I have given up appeasing those who do not like what we do.

I agree that there are some people we cannot change. Some can be educated though. Shows that depict hunting, that focus on the hunt and not just "kill shots" may even spark a latent interest in some people. I find shows with nothing but shooting to be boring. "Buffalo Hunters" and "Mountain Buffalo " focus on the hunting and environment and respect for the game.

Many of the forums I sat on regarding hunting which ranged from the African Wildlife Consultative Forum , a forum for all conservation authorities and hunting associations liaise to local research forums , through to the World Congress on Tourism for the environment , you become aware that the average person understands hunting and animal use by people , they are not stupid BUT they dont appreciate seeing them killed and HATE seeing people get enjoyment from it , KNOW the difference - they support us till then.

So each time this comes up the same group sit with their heads in the sand , thump their chests and tell the world to ***** off they have their rights. REALLY ???

The reality is hunters blur their pictures in photos now , they have trophy rooms behind locked doors , they dont display any hunting at their work place - why - ??

Its because the sport continues to show KILL shots , beer swilling , blooding etc . These are not bad they are the traditions of hunting . BUT guess what the rest of the world does not want to see this so keep it for your friends for the barbecue.

If you think forcing a blood sport on the public is going to win friends, wake up they are closing it down not because they dont like hunting but because the graphic nature of the sport does not fit into the new world where men wear more cosmetics than woman. Leave them alone and most will leave you alone. Upset them and they will close hunting as they are doing now.

So by all means love your traditions , but keep them to yourselves, dont post them on Facebook , dont share them with a world that does not want to see them , if you do you are just bragging and people hate braggets as much as they hate animals being killed. Simple logic .

The past is past - its how we as hunters act now and into the future that will decide the future of big game hunting. People are not worried about plains game hunting yet - its the big game that upsets them , calling them snowflakes and trying to prove you call a spade a spade wont fly this kite , trust me.

Very GOOD analogy of what is going on.

It is bad that as all kinds of people/groups are coming "Out Of The Closet", with Pride, hunters are looking at having to go into the closet due to the actions/antics of a few individuals.

Couple that with the idea that some hunters simply do not want to admit that the world's society has changed and people have removed themselves so far from the Natural World that integral concepts of life, such as hunting are no longer viewed as necessary.

Personally I like to see an accurate shot being made on a fair-chase hunt. Do it correctly and you get a lot of "bang-flops".

Videos that show hunters banging away at running animals, or worse yet, an animal struggling to get away with a leg flopping around, or a foot blown off, is not something I think any normal person wants to see.

I got a promo DVD on African hunting, that shows one clean shot after another. No big deal to me.

However, it shows one nimrod making a horrible shot on an elephant. It appears he hit it somewhere in the middle of the back (I can only guess he was trying for a spine shot).

The guy is then shown later posing with the dead elephant. The elephant had obviously died several days earlier and by the time it was found was bloated horribly, with its legs sticking out perpendicular to its body. Those kind of shots should be edited out IMO.

Although that is part of hunting, so is taking a crap in the woods, but you don't need to video all aspects of a hunt IMO.

BH63

The part of hunting video that is harming hunting in my opinion is how easy they make it seem. Every time the host goes hunting there is action. My son is just getting started in hunting and he has watched more youtube hunting videos than he should. When we go I don't think it lives up to the expectations set by the hunting media.

Just an observation.

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The part of hunting video that is harming hunting in my opinion is how easy they make it seem. Every time the host goes hunting there is action. My son is just getting started in hunting and he has watched more youtube hunting videos than he should. When we go I don't think it lives up to the expectations set by the hunting media.
Just an observation.

Real live hunting videos that show hours of walking, stalking, and waiting would be realistic but very boring IMO. Showing successful hunts should be an inspiration and motivation for beginners to get out there and work for it. JMO.

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Real live hunting videos that show hours of walking, stalking, and waiting would be realistic but very boring IMO. Showing successful hunts should be an inspiration and motivation for beginners to get out there and work for it. JMO.

A person would think that, except when a person realizes we have evolved into a world where Instant Gratification/Success is expected.

In guiding folks, a lot of younger "Hunters" seem to have a difficult time comprehending the term "Hunting". That is why so many high fenced hunting operations have sprang over the past few decades. Too many people simply do not want to have to set aside their "Lives" for 7 or 10 or longer numbers of days, and possibly not be successful.

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Real live hunting videos that show hours of walking, stalking, and waiting would be realistic but very boring IMO. Showing successful hunts should be an inspiration and motivation for beginners to get out there and work for it. JMO.

A person would think that, except when a person realizes we have evolved into a world where Instant Gratification/Success is expected.

In guiding folks, a lot of younger "Hunters" seem to have a difficult time comprehending the term "Hunting". That is why so many high fenced hunting operations have sprang over the past few decades. Too many people simply do not want to have to set aside their "Lives" for 7 or 10 or longer numbers of days, and possibly not be successful.

CHC, you hit the nail right on the head, and drove it home with one swing of the hammer!

....................................................................Gentlemen it is the HUNT
that counts!
................................................................. I have gone home without taking what I was hunting many times, and I don't consider even one of those hunts a bust!

Back in the heydays of African hunting there was none of the technology we have on hand today; scopes were hard to come by and a luxury at that - peep sights were more in fashion.

Cameras were 36mm (mostly black & white) and popular were the Kodak Instamatic; for those more fortunate to have a movie camera, it was the Super 8mm whose film took well over a month to develop (between sending out and getting back) and one didn't send one spool so the films taken during the year were processed as a batch the year following.

Those grainy films which sometimes got mixed up with some porn were usually viewed among friends and hardly did they ever go public.

Times have changed and with it has come the advanced technology and the wimps of society whose genes will be passed on (already happening)and eventually bring about a planet of wimps whose diet will consist in semi artificial food in tubes (Eco-friendly of course) similar to what was fed to astronauts.

Most hunters of the last several decades want to show the world of their exploits and what better way than to splash them out on YouTube,TV, FB and for the odd one out, as marketable DVDs. What better way is there to gain negative publicity from the colonies of wimps out there?

Its no use saying "if it pays it stays" or "provided it was legally shot", "hunt to conserve", etc. etc. - those are quotes for people who think logically and to expect those who are opposed to our sport to think otherwise would be wishful thinking.
Those are the kind of "people" who would hold a week long vigil over a dead, beached whale, for crying out loud!

Too many "Hunters" want to lay the blame on Anti's and other groups, instead of merely accepting responsibility for the conce5pt that t7oday's hunters, simply do not have the same beliefs toward hunting and their part in the equation that older hunters do!

I hope that hunting is an option for the generations that follow us older hunters, but for that to happen, I believe older hunters are going to have to make a real effort in mentoring younger hunters and educating them that killing the biggest or best trophy in the least amount of time is NOT the ultimate goal.

Appreciating and being involved in the whole experience, successful or not, is what these new hunters need to learn.

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And an elephant drops to a brain shot at the beginning of King Solomaon's Mines. Times and attitudes were different then. Today there is too many high fives and fat good old boys dancing around the dead animal and bragging about turning gophers to red mist. Kills behind high fences. Lions with names. The antis are winning. We are all dying a slow death but it will come eventually. I'm glad I've seen Africa and Alaska when I did as there are far more yesterdays than there will be tomorrows.

And that Sir, is about as accurate as it gets. Wished it was not that way, but we all came along too late, and we did not make enough of an effort to instill what hunting actually is or means to those coming along after us.

Now we know how the Free Trappers in the Rocky Mountains felt when silk replaced Beaver and how the Buffalo Runners felt when the big herds were gone. We lived at the end of a time.

There will be hunting available for a while in the future, but nothing like that many of us experienced in our lives.

I agree. A pat on the back and "good shot" is all that's needed. You would think with all of the high fives and mugging for the camera some of the hunters just ran back a kickoff for the game winning touchdown. No class and it doesn't help. Reality TV is ruining the world.

It is not just kill shots that are causing a problem.

The total inability for HUNTERS to set aside personal differences and act as a group to confront those wanting to bring an end to hunting.

Unless or until HUNTERS decide saving hunting is MORE important than ANY PERSONAL beliefs or ideas, things are only going to continue to deteriorate!