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I'm heading to Moz in '10. Will be hunting leapord, sable, buff but will also looking at possible an eland, wilderbeast, and whatever looks good. Would I be undergunned with the 30-06 on the eland or should I take my 300win? Thanks for your generous input. Never follow a bad move with a stupid move. | ||
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Use what you'll use on the buff. Eland are large animals, and can run a long way with a bullet in them. George  | |||
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2nd for buffalo rifle on eland. While I don't normally advocate a magnum over a standard cartridge, a 300 Win may be better, but only on condition that you use heavier bullets. Stronger, slower 220 grainers turn it into a great African cartridge. www.graaffreinetsafaris.co.za | |||
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With a good 200 gr. Nosler of Woodleigh, you can't tell the difference in a 30-06 and a 300 anything as far as killing power goes..Use what you like best. An Eland is big, but they are not that hard to kill IMO..certainly not like a Cape Buffalo..I have killed a number of Eland with a .270, 7x57, and even an old wore out 8mm Mauser. A well constructed bullet placed in the right spot is the secret to success, not caliber. Phillip Price, Swartkei safari shoots them with a Sako .243 and a .308 and never loses one. Ray Atkinson Atkinson Hunting Adventures 10 Ward Lane, Filer, Idaho, 83328 208-731-4120 rayatkinsonhunting@gmail.com | |||
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Personally I agree with George. An eland that you are tracking is more than likely not going to present the perfect shot and some serious penetration may be called for. The 375 or larger calibers just can do this job much better than any 30 or smaller caliber. Slightly off topic I think that folks often feel their buffalo rifle has little use after the buff is down. In actuality a 375 or 416 is excellent for anything and really shines on the big antelope. Mark MARK H. YOUNG MARK'S EXCLUSIVE ADVENTURES 7094 Oakleigh Dr. Las Vegas, NV 89110 Office 702-848-1693 Cell, Whats App, Signal 307-250-1156 PREFERRED E-mail markttc@msn.com Website: myexclusiveadventures.com Skype: markhyhunter Check us out on https://www.facebook.com/pages...ures/627027353990716 | |||
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"No!" to first question. You could however be "under-bulleted"! Be sure to only shoot eland with tough premium hunting bullets. Yes, some normal run of the mill bullets will sometines, or even often, kill an eland. But you will more times wound it than with real hunting bullets! The second question? "If you shoot the .300win better and is more familiar with it, yes. If you are more familiar with the 30-06, no!" Same applies to bullets for 30-06 and .300win mag! Enjoy testing which one you shoot best under simulated field conditions. It will serve as good practice for your hunt!  In good hunting. Andrew McLaren Andrew McLaren Professional Hunter and Hunting Outfitter since 1974. http://www.mclarensafaris.com The home page to go to for custom planning of ethical and affordable hunting of plains game in South Africa! Enquire about any South African hunting directly from andrew@mclarensafaris.com After a few years of participation on forums, I have learned that: One can cure: Lack of knowledge – by instruction. Lack of skills – by practice. Lack of experience – by time doing it. One cannot cure: Stupidity – nothing helps! Anti hunting sentiments – nothing helps! Put-‘n-Take Outfitters – money rules! My very long ago ancestors needed and loved to eat meat. Today I still hunt! | |||
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I shot both my Eland and Buffalo with the one rifle (a 9.3x62) last October in northern Moz and would have been happy to shoot a Sable and Leopard with it if the opportunity came up . A scope is an important item for Eland imo. | |||
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Gents, Thanks for all the input. I'll be taking a 458 Lott for the buff. I own both the 30-06 (Win 70 featherweight classic) and the 300 winmag (Ruger 77 tang safety). I feel confortable shooting both. I have a personal list of pro's and cons for both and I'll choose between the 2 prior to my hunt. I agree that having a 9.3X62 or a 375H&H would be a good "all around" gun, however I'm not sure I could sneak another gun into the safe and remain married! Never follow a bad move with a stupid move. | |||
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220gr With the 300 should be very good eland medicine and for any other plainsgame as well small to big with the lower velocity of the 220's you shouldnt be blowing big holes in small critters like duiker. Frederik Cocquyt I always try to use enough gun but then sometimes a brainshot works just as good. | |||
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Is the 458 scoped? | |||
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I'm having a custom scope put together at Leupold. It will be either a 2.5X20 fixed or a 2.5X24 30mm tube. Still searching for QD rings - not sure about Warne. Never follow a bad move with a stupid move. | |||
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I have never shot an eland, but I have seen them. They are BIG! As others have suggested, I'd use whatever I used on buff for the eland, and take the 30-06 for everything else. Of course, I've never shot a Cape Buffalo either, so you can rank my opinion as one step below "beer talk" | |||
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Use whichever you like. A 30-06 with a 200 grn premium bullet has an SD of .301 with a velocity of 2500 fps...which will provide you plenty of penetration. Put that bullet through both lungs and you will have an eland that: a: will soon be coughing blood through it noise which even I could track and b: will die quickly Anything above the 30-06 will just be icing on the cake. Mike Legistine actu quod scripsi? Never under estimate the internet community's ability to reply to your post with their personal rant about their tangentially related, single occurrence issue.  What I have learned on AR, since 2001: 1. The proper answer to: Where is the best place in town to get a steak dinner? is…You should go to Mel's Diner and get the fried chicken. 2. Big game animals can tell the difference between .015 of an inch in diameter, 15 grains of bullet weight, and 150 fps. 3. There is a difference in the performance of two identical projectiles launched at the same velocity if they came from different cartridges. 4. While a double rifle is the perfect DGR, every 375HH bolt gun needs to be modified to carry at least 5 down. 5. While a floor plate and detachable box magazine both use a mechanical latch, only the floor plate latch is reliable. Disregard the fact that every modern military rifle uses a detachable box magazine. 6. The Remington 700 is unreliable regardless of the fact it is the basis of the USMC M40 sniper rifle for 40+ years with no changes to the receiver or extractor and is the choice of more military and law enforcement sniper units than any other rifle. 7. PF actions are not suitable for a DGR and it is irrelevant that the M1, M14, M16, & AK47 which were designed for hunting men that can shoot back are all PF actions. 8. 95 deg F in Africa is different than 95 deg F in TX or CA and that is why you must worry about ammunition temperature in Africa (even though most safaris take place in winter) but not in TX or in CA. 9. The size of a ding in a gun's finish doesn't matter, what matters is whether it’s a safe ding or not. 10. 1 in a row is a trend, 2 in a row is statistically significant, and 3 in a row is an irrefutable fact. 11. Never buy a WSM or RCM cartridge for a safari rifle or your go to rifle in the USA because if they lose your ammo you can't find replacement ammo but don't worry 280 Rem, 338-06, 35 Whelen, and all Weatherby cartridges abound in Africa and back country stores. 12. A well hit animal can run 75 yds. in the open and suddenly drop with no initial blood trail, but the one I shot from 200 yds. away that ran 10 yds. and disappeared into a thicket and was not found was lost because the bullet penciled thru. I am 100% certain of this even though I have no physical evidence. 13. A 300 Win Mag is a 500 yard elk cartridge but a 308 Win is not a 300 yard elk cartridge even though the same bullet is travelling at the same velocity at those respective distances. | |||
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I've only shot one Eland and that was with a "catch all" load in my .30-06. The -06 with a 180 Grain Nosler Partition @ 2,725 fps was enough gun. If I were to work up a load in the .30-06 specifically for Eland , I would probably go up to a Nosler Partition 200 Grain bullet. Rich Elliott Rich Elliott Ethiopian Rift Valley Safaris | |||
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My first South African animal was an eland (cull hunt). I shot him with my Argentine Mauser .30-06 factory 180 grain NP. One shot was all it took, he walked 20 feet and fell over.  I'd confidently use that rifle again for eland. Hunt yours with what ever firearm you comfortably shoot best. ~Ann   | |||
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My one and only eland I took with a "well" placed .308 Sako SHH 155gr on the shoulder. I took the shot because it was "supposed" to be a cow wounded by my mate 2 days earlier (It turned out to be a perfectly healthy big bull) It took another 5 rounds in a running war over 1km to bring him down.... I will NEVER take my .308 willingly against eland again. My thoughts are your choice is really about which .30 and frankly, I'd risk the marriage and get something that fits nicely between your two .30s and your 458 Lott. You've got a lot of time so maybe it could be a "present" from the missus? I think a bit more calibre is better. You will find plenty use for it. Big Bore Assoc. Southern Africa http://www.bigbore.org/ http://www.chasa.co.za Addicted to Recoil ! I hunt because I am human. Hunting is the expression of my humanity... | |||
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Caretaker, With a scoped Lott a buff or eland is in big trouble even with a straight going away shot. I'd use it for the eland just to be able to take any shot that is presented. Mark MARK H. YOUNG MARK'S EXCLUSIVE ADVENTURES 7094 Oakleigh Dr. Las Vegas, NV 89110 Office 702-848-1693 Cell, Whats App, Signal 307-250-1156 PREFERRED E-mail markttc@msn.com Website: myexclusiveadventures.com Skype: markhyhunter Check us out on https://www.facebook.com/pages...ures/627027353990716 | |||
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Use the buff rifle on the eland (375 and up). Eland overall are not that tough of an animal, but they are huge 1,500-2,000 lbs. Other than that the 30-06 will do a bang up job on the rest using good softs 180-200grain Swift, Northfork, GS bullets. "An individual with experience is never at the mercies of an individual with an argument" | |||
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Stephen Palos Yep use a deer wt bullet on a 1500 lb animal thats what you get! One shot One Kill | |||
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PUMA454 I agree totally, and add that I now think the .308win is a "deer wt cartridge" too. I really am not sure that a heavier, better bullet would have made my first shot 100% better. Maybe 50%? As said, I took the shot because the (very knowlegable) tracker said it was one wounded two days earlier. All that was visible was it's shoulder. Was about 100m shot, and alone. Tracker insisted there were NO lone eland in that camp so in all probability it was the "kwes". Camp is 1000ha (about 2500acre) I did not want my buddy paying R6500($900) for an animal I could have brought in for him, and didn't! If hunting were like golf we'd have our "caddy"(tracker) carrying a bag with a dozen rifles, a shotgun and a few other bits & pieces so we could select the perfect one for each encounter... http://www.bigbore.org/ http://www.chasa.co.za Addicted to Recoil ! I hunt because I am human. Hunting is the expression of my humanity... | |||
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Phillip Price of Swartkei Safaris culls Eland with a 243 and a 308, never had your problem..I watched him shoot about 14 one day...I was amazed that one of his factory 100 gr. corelokts penetrated one eland from stem to stern..It was going away after being shot by another shooter with a .338, after a couple of more shots from both it expired, that just happens. A properly constructed bullet in the right spot will do wonders on any animal.. I have seen most animals or all kinds and sizes take multiple shots with both big bore and small bore calibers on ocassion, it just happens and it can happen with anything and one animal shot means zilch. I think the .375 or 458 Lott is an excellent choice for Eland, so is the 06..Also it depends on where you hunt, in the open country of the waterbergs I would opt for an 06 or a 300, in the thick stuff I would probably opt for a big bore, but I wouldn't care much either way, just give me a gun and let me get after them. Ray Atkinson Atkinson Hunting Adventures 10 Ward Lane, Filer, Idaho, 83328 208-731-4120 rayatkinsonhunting@gmail.com | |||
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Hi I recall i read somewhere that an agolan game warden had killed more than 300 lions with the mild 8x57. if so then a 3006 with a good bullet would surely do the job. it is the man(and of course lady like that nice lady who killed that eland with one shot) behind the gun that kills the lion at first place not the caliber. i haven't hunted in africa yet, but i have seen many real huge boars(400 pounders) killed by 8x57 and 06 and boar is a very hard animal to keep down by one shota and about the seize of a lion. regards yes Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy; its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery. | |||
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YES, I looked at your profile, and it isn't there, in what part of the world do you live? No need for a particular city, but the state and/or country might be nice, so folks would know how to best help you on occasion! Your location is optional, and is your business, but just makes things easier when discussing things that may have a local factor to them!  ....Mac >>>===(x)===> MacD37, ...and DUGABOY1 DRSS Charter member "If I die today, I've had a life well spent, for I've been to see the Elephant, and smelled the smoke of Africa!"~ME 1982 Hands of Old Elmer Keith  | |||
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hi mac i am living in sweden now but i have been in france and middle east too. regards yes Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy; its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery. | |||
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In Namibia last year, I used a .30/06 (180 gr. HE NP) on all plains game except eland. At the request of the PH, I used my .416 Rigby for the eland. The .416 was for a later buffalo and elephant hunt in Zim. I hit the eland with the .416 a bit too far forward but it broke both shoulders, anchoring him. The PH said that the .30/06 might not have been as effective on that particular shot placement. This was the only time the PH had his rifle ready to back me up. He said eland could go forever if not hit properly. ............................................. | |||
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Old coyote, Rabbits will go forever if not hit properly, I have broke both shoulders on an Eland with the 200 gr. Nosler in my 300 H&H and I'm betting my 06 will do that also as I witnessed a 220 gr. 06 break both shoulders on a Zebra and exit..I don't think most of the hunting faternity gives enough credit to some of these calibers and their capabilities when used with a proper bullet in the right spot, instead we try and make up for bullet placement and bullets selection with larger calibers. I am pretty well convienced that doesn't work for beans... Ray Atkinson Atkinson Hunting Adventures 10 Ward Lane, Filer, Idaho, 83328 208-731-4120 rayatkinsonhunting@gmail.com | |||
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Use whatever you shoot the best. As others have said, it is bullet placement, bullet placement, bullet placement. If it were me and given your choices, I'd use the .300 Win Mag with 220-grain Nosler Partition bullets. That's at the top of what I call QRTL (Quimby's recoil tolerance limit). My shooting ability decreases in direct proportion to recoil levels above that. An eland is a large animal, but it doesn't take a big bore shoulder buster to kill one cleanly if you choose your shot and put your bullet where it will do the most good. Bill Quimby | |||
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Its the jockey that makes the difference the more confidance you have with a rifle the better it shoots its 80% in the mind "Buy land they have stopped making it"- Mark Twain | |||
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Maybe develop a load for your Lott with either 400 or 450 grained bullets traveling at just under 2,400 fps. It will essentially be as flat as a 416. Someone may have already suggested this, and I apologize if that's the case...didn't read every post. "Sometimes nothing can be a pretty cool hand." 470 Heym; 9.3x74r Chapuis, Heym 450/400 on it's way | |||
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Atkinson Well the .30/06 certainly did a fine job on Zebra, Gemsbok and everything else. Something about eland had the PH skittish. Maybe a previous hunter had tried a liver shot.  ............................................. | |||
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