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Originally posted by ledvm:

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I've said it before & I'll say it again. When the day comes that all lion hunting & probably all African sport hunting is banned, people will look back & say one of the major causes of the ban was the breeding & shooting of captive bred lions.

No sir...it'll be because the world is finally inhabited by a population of ignorant common-senseless people larger than the population of ones that aren't.

That is exactly what will end all lion hunting - not captive bred lion hunting! Unfortunately, its not far away from that now.

We reached that point some years ago when the UK elected Bliar & later when the US elected Obamanation

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Originally posted by shakari:
We reached that point some years ago when the UK elected Bliar & later when the US elected Obamanation

You are 100% corrrect there sir...for sure!

I would not have thought it was possible for the US to be degraded as much as it has in the last 3+ years had I not seen it with my own eyes.

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Originally posted by ledvm:

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I've said it before & I'll say it again. When the day comes that all lion hunting & probably all African sport hunting is banned, people will look back & say one of the major causes of the ban was the breeding & shooting of captive bred lions.

No sir...it'll be because the world is finally inhabited by a population of ignorant common-senseless people larger than the population of ones that aren't. When it gets to that point...I hope God feels it necessary for a few of the good ones left to build an ark.

I am just 3 generations away from people that fought indians (Native Americans) off their ranches to hold the land. The ancestory that I was cut from did what they pleased with the animals they raised and would fight to keep that right. And I can guarantee that if they could have raised a lion and had someone come shoot it for $30K...they would have had no problem with it. They would have been laughing all the way to bank.

We also eradicated the buffalo in a matter of 20 years and were shooting eagles in Wyoming to protect our sheep less than 30 years ago even after they were endangered. People were property too and treated like it 150 years ago. We have lots to be proud of in the U.S. including our frontier spirit and the hardships that were endured. Some other things not so much ... Canned lion hunting belongs in the latter in my opinion ...

Great post Shakiri by the way ...

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We also eradicated the buffalo in a matter of 20 years and were shooting eagles in Wyoming to protect our sheep less than 30 years ago even after they were endangered.

There is a good research study that shows that buffalo (American Bison) were eradicated by Tuberculosis and Brucellosis brought in by European cattle and NOT by shot and powder. Yes...they did hammer the remaining few to near extinction.

The statistical analysis shows that all the powder and shot that could be possibly hauled into the west by train and wagon could only account for a ~25% reduction in which the herds could have esily been sustained with healthy breeding.

Gene analysis done when Dr. Jim Derr mapped the bison genome revealed the rest of the story. The vast herds were in great decline by the time the buffalo hunters even started up...look for that information in your childs history books...it should be there if properly written.

Eagles were endangered by use of DDT...rifle bullets had little to do with it.

Now predator control has swung the opposite way and look at what that has done with species like the Northern Bobwhite quail. In Texas...drive down the highway and I challenge you to go more than 2 miles at a stretch without seeing a big Red-tailed Hawk sitting on a high-line.

Yes...we have a lot to be proud of in the USA for sure...but the list of things I am not proud of is catching up rapidly...to include Jimmy Carter's pressure put upon the once great country of Rhodeasia...where by we (USA) forced our so-called ideals (read civil rights movement) on that nation causing decay that we will witness for decades to come.

Yep...some things to be proud of...and some things not so much.

I'm from Northern Alberta and live on ther edge of farmland and the big bush that goes for hundreds of miles to the north. A good friend of mine who is well into his seventies
told me that when he was a kid they would harness a team of horses on Sundays and go pick bones in Charlotte Lake: a large slough which nearly dries up completely with a succession of dry years. The bones,skulls,horns and antlers they would get were 50/50 buffalo and elk with a few moose. They would fill a hayrack in an afternoon and bring them
to the trainstation where they were shipped to make fertilizer. My grandfather was one of the first homesteaders in the area in 1917 and I remember him telling me that when he settled there there were no elk, no buffalo and very few moose or deer. He also told me the native elders could not rememmber a time when they had elk or buffalo but their great ancestors did. Disease had to of wiped them out as there wasn't enough human population here to even make a dent in the population yet alone trying to hunt them in solid
bush. In recent times some of these antlers have been carbondated to around two hundred plus years ago. Disease definetly wiped out the game in our area a long time ago.

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There seems to be no shortage of captive lion hunts available or hunters who defend them, but there is a definite shortage of "hunters" who admit to doing it.

Fact is, no one on AR has admitted to it.

you are right, but i remember a poster here who did a trip report on his lion hunt in the RSA part of the Kalahari 3-4 years ago complete with pictures of the blow dried trophy. he was a long time poster and a number of other posters( also time members) congratulated him on an outstanding trophy. when a few folks questioned details of the "hunt" the answers were vague. when i flat out asked if the hunt was behind a fence, he never answered directly. his tag line here lists his various hunt reports. the lion hunt is missing. draw your own conclusions. personally i could care less what someone shoot( not hunts) as long as it is legal. it just isn't my cup of tea. to each his own.

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Originally posted by AnotherAZWriter:
There seems to be no shortage of captive lion hunts available or hunters who defend them, but there is a definite shortage of "hunters" who admit to doing it.

Fact is, no one on AR has admitted to it.

Funny that huh?