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The SCI 2011 Location Secret Is Now Out
02 March 2008, 01:13
almostacowboyThe SCI 2011 Location Secret Is Now Out
quote:
Originally posted by Aspen Hill Adventures:
What about San Diego? Lots to do there and nice weather.
And have to deal with every "_______ Rights" activist (fill in the blank) under the sun? Even tho' I could drive, no thanks.
Dave
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02 March 2008, 01:22
Mike SmithAgain the real issue here is money regardless of personal preferences.
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02 March 2008, 04:24
thunder stickI live in Southern California and I would not want to see the convention held anywhere here. I don't care about the bleeding hearts protesting but I would not want to see $1 of revenue going to the pieces of sh*t in Sacramento. I voted for Reno. I like Reno and I like Las Vegas. Not sure why you would want to put to large shows just miles apart with just a couple of weeks between. That's why I don't see TX as an alternative.
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I think Houston of the three.
I sure wish that SCI would move the dates past the end of our waterfowl season.
The last weeks are frequently the best because of the cold and its a big problem to give up some prime waterfowl hunting to go to a hunting convention.
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02 March 2008, 05:06
Adrian ParhamReno works for me. Houston is high crime and Dallas not a lot better. St. Louis is worse than either but Salt Lake City is pretty safe and a clean user friendly atmosphere. Why would SCI want to compete with Dallas and Houston safari clubs? The only reason would have to be a clash of egos in which hunting in general loses and We don't need that. Atlanta is not far from Me but it is a true combat zone, ditto for Miami. Orlando is boring if you are over 13 yrs old and the journey to Reno is a mini safari for us each year. Just MHO thanks.
02 March 2008, 05:07
Adrian ParhamReno works for me. Houston is high crime and Dallas not a lot better. St. Louis is worse than either but Salt Lake City is pretty safe and a clean user friendly atmosphere. Why would SCI want to compete with Dallas and Houston safari clubs? The only reason would have to be a clash of egos in which hunting in general loses and We don't need that. Atlanta is not far from Me but it is a true combat zone, ditto for Miami. Orlando is boring if you are over 13 yrs old and the journey to Reno is a mini safari for us. Just MHO thanks.
02 March 2008, 05:22
billrquimby"Why only Reno and Texas locations. Or is it because of competition from the Texas organization. It's certainly not about convenience to it's members. I'm sure it would be improper to suggest Tucson since their headquarters and museum are there. Plenty of GOOD weather, a couple of excellant casinos and excellant hotel accomodations. They even have an airport."
Tucson would be an excellent and obvious choice IF we had a convention center or another venue large enough to handle the SCI show, as well as enough hotels close by to handle 20,000 guests. Unfortunately, we don't.
I voted for Reno after attending the Dallas show for the first time this year. Don't know a thing about Houston, but the hotels near the Dallas Convention Center were too expensive. I'm not going back.
Bill Quimby
02 March 2008, 05:47
Oday450There are a number of things to be considered when choosing a convention city including hotel space and availability at the correct tme, transportation - bot air and ground, convention center size and availability, etc.
My professional organization's national meeting has grown to the size that only 3 or 4 cities can accommodate the demand. Over the past 5 years these have been Atlanta, New Orleans, and Las Vegas.
In my mind, these may be marginally better choices than Dallas and are certainly better than Houston in my opinion. (Every damn street in downtown Houston is one way - in the same direction. If you ever miss your turn, you are screwed!)
"Cleverly disguised as a responsible adult."
06 March 2008, 11:52
AK HunterFirst choice would be Vegas - more flights, better hotels, better food.
But since its not on the list... I'll take Reno.
06 March 2008, 12:11
Matt GrahamReno for me.
You have to consider the outfitters guys. We drag our crews half way round the world (at the most expensive time of year for us) to put on this show.
Sure Reno may not have the very best service but it has plenty of rooms and inexpensive restaurants if you get out of the major hotels. There are plenty of good deals in Reno and very easy to get about. I thought that would suit hunters???
Vegas - I think the unions there killed the chances of going back... they are despicable!
06 March 2008, 17:48
WoodhitsIf the attendance at SHOT is any barometer, Orlando will not bring in the numbers that Reno has. Orlando gets my vote though since it's just a few hours away.
quote:
Houston is high crime and Dallas not a lot better.
Oh really? I'll let you in on a little secret. Stay away from the areas that the drug dealers and prostitutes hang out and your chances of being a "victim" are quite remote. No different then any other big city.
quote:
(Every damn street in downtown Houston is one way - in the same direction. If you ever miss your turn, you are screwed!)
What a stupid comment. Are you dyslexic? You may be better off taking a cab.
06 March 2008, 18:56
Oday450quote:
Originally posted by M16:
quote:
(Every damn street in downtown Houston is one way - in the same direction. If you ever miss your turn, you are screwed!)
What a stupid comment. Are you dyslexic? You may be better off taking a cab.
I have driven in most major cities around the world and IMO Houston and Boston are among the worst. Downtown is congested with too many one-way streets.
The comment was true and made with intentional sarcasm. If you can't smile or take a joke then eat my shorts!
"Cleverly disguised as a responsible adult."
06 March 2008, 22:44
NavalukI hope it is Texas.
By not going I will save enough in one year for a decent hunt or fishing trip. If I pool my saved money for a few years I will get a free trip to Namibia or Australia/NZ.
06 March 2008, 23:13
BwanahileI certainly enjoy the Reno/Tahoe area. If you "play your cards right" then hotels are free! Nice places to eat and skiing is close by. Vegas is great but my experience has been when a big conference is in town all of the hotels jack up their rates considerably and cut back on the comped rooms. Other than the lovely buffets, food is more expensive as well. However, how can you not like going to sin city! As a member of the Houston Safari Club and a part time resident of Houston I would welcome the SCI Convention (not sure how HSC would feel about it though...perhaps some type of joint event?). Not sure the George R. Brown is big enough but I believe the Astrodome would work. Lots of great restaraunts, two aiports, light rail from downtown. We will just have to get a GPS for Oday450 and a body guard for Adrian!!
07 March 2008, 00:16
Oday450quote:
Originally posted by Bwanahile:
I certainly enjoy the Reno/Tahoe area. If you "play your cards right" then hotels are free! Nice places to eat and skiing is close by. Vegas is great but my experience has been when a big conference is in town all of the hotels jack up their rates considerably and cut back on the comped rooms. Other than the lovely buffets, food is more expensive as well. However, how can you not like going to sin city! As a member of the Houston Safari Club and a part time resident of Houston I would welcome the SCI Convention (not sure how HSC would feel about it though...perhaps some type of joint event?). Not sure the George R. Brown is big enough but I believe the Astrodome would work. Lots of great restaraunts, two aiports, light rail from downtown. We will just have to get a GPS for Oday450 and a body guard for Adrian!!
BTW - I'm NOT Anti Texas. My family is in Dallas and the family ranch is outside of Waco.
"Cleverly disguised as a responsible adult."
07 March 2008, 10:00
billrquimby"(not sure how HSC would feel about it though...perhaps some type of joint event?)."
That would be like Obama and Clinton holding a $25,000-a-plate fund-raiser together next week. Don't hold your breath waiting for it to happen.
Bill Quimby
04 April 2008, 09:24
Mike_DettorreI like Reno...but then I have issues in general.
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Never under estimate the internet community's ability to reply to your post with their personal rant about their tangentially related, single occurrence issue.
What I have learned on AR, since 2001:
1. The proper answer to: Where is the best place in town to get a steak dinner? is…You should go to Mel's Diner and get the fried chicken.
2. Big game animals can tell the difference between .015 of an inch in diameter, 15 grains of bullet weight, and 150 fps.
3. There is a difference in the performance of two identical projectiles launched at the same velocity if they came from different cartridges.
4. While a double rifle is the perfect DGR, every 375HH bolt gun needs to be modified to carry at least 5 down.
5. While a floor plate and detachable box magazine both use a mechanical latch, only the floor plate latch is reliable. Disregard the fact that every modern military rifle uses a detachable box magazine.
6. The Remington 700 is unreliable regardless of the fact it is the basis of the USMC M40 sniper rifle for 40+ years with no changes to the receiver or extractor and is the choice of more military and law enforcement sniper units than any other rifle.
7. PF actions are not suitable for a DGR and it is irrelevant that the M1, M14, M16, & AK47 which were designed for hunting men that can shoot back are all PF actions.
8. 95 deg F in Africa is different than 95 deg F in TX or CA and that is why you must worry about ammunition temperature in Africa (even though most safaris take place in winter) but not in TX or in CA.
9. The size of a ding in a gun's finish doesn't matter, what matters is whether it’s a safe ding or not.
10. 1 in a row is a trend, 2 in a row is statistically significant, and 3 in a row is an irrefutable fact.
11. Never buy a WSM or RCM cartridge for a safari rifle or your go to rifle in the USA because if they lose your ammo you can't find replacement ammo but don't worry 280 Rem, 338-06, 35 Whelen, and all Weatherby cartridges abound in Africa and back country stores.
12. A well hit animal can run 75 yds. in the open and suddenly drop with no initial blood trail, but the one I shot from 200 yds. away that ran 10 yds. and disappeared into a thicket and was not found was lost because the bullet penciled thru. I am 100% certain of this even though I have no physical evidence.
13. A 300 Win Mag is a 500 yard elk cartridge but a 308 Win is not a 300 yard elk cartridge even though the same bullet is travelling at the same velocity at those respective distances.
04 April 2008, 11:16
BOWHUNRI don't know for a fact, but I'm pretty sure some of the cities mentioned above could not handle SCI from a convention center capacity standpoint. Unless something has recently changed, Atlanta, Chicago and Las Vegas have the largest capacities. Has SCI out grown Reno?
Mike
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04 April 2008, 11:28
BOWHUNRquote:
Originally posted by Adrian Parham:
Reno works for me. Houston is high crime and Dallas not a lot better. St. Louis is worse than either but Salt Lake City is pretty safe and a clean user friendly atmosphere. Why would SCI want to compete with Dallas and Houston safari clubs? The only reason would have to be a clash of egos in which hunting in general loses and We don't need that. Atlanta is not far from Me but it is a true combat zone, ditto for Miami. Orlando is boring if you are over 13 yrs old and the journey to Reno is a mini safari for us. Just MHO thanks.
You're joking about Salt Lake City right? SLC's weird liquor laws and SCI would never jive.
Mike
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quote:
Originally posted by Mike_Dettorre:
I like Reno...but then I have issues in general.
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04 April 2008, 23:18
TrophymanYeppa. That's why I go to the convention. For the banquet meals???? Give me a break !!!!
I pay $1200+ for the shows, convention. Then more for flights, room. Then the auctions.
But my main reason is for the banquet meals???
The chicken and pea circuit hasn't changed in 40 years.
Really.... does anyone go to eat the banquet meals?
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05 April 2008, 02:01
jetdrvrquote:
Originally posted by GarBy:
+1 on Orlando....the vacation capital of the world! Bring the family, send them to Disney while you're at the show, etc. Of course the added cost of bringing the family means less to spend on a hunt or that new double...but then BRINGING the family might ALLOW you to book that hunt or buy that double.
Besides, the extra traffic won't bother me....I live closer to Daytona
.
Gary
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Yeah, so do I. I'd like Orlando, also. 40 miles away. A bit selfish, I must admit.
05 April 2008, 05:46
Adrian ParhamBowhunr, I have lived around Atlanta most of my life and it is very easy to stray into dangerous territory ther. Like the whole downtown area after dark. I have no vested interest in SLC but the things I printed are true. SLC has changed all those quirky liquor laws and now host a couple really great mini breweries and onsite pubs and eateries. Orlando is great if you have small children or are 25 or less. My reasons for attending SCI are to book hunts I really can't afford, buy related equipment I don't need and can't afford, and maybe buy My wife a trinket or bauble I can't afford for putting up this behavior. These are just opinions and worth what You paid.
05 April 2008, 18:28
dla69quote:
Originally posted by BOWHUNR:
You're joking about Salt Lake City right? SLC's weird liquor laws and SCI would never jive.
Mike
I think these laws were substantially revised at the time of the Olympics. I've gone to several conventions in Utah and never had any problems getting a Polygamy Porter from
Wasatch Brewery.07 April 2008, 02:44
470EDDYHUMMMMM??!!
SCI had a 10 year commitment with the Sands and I think they are only into it by 4-5 years...is this longrange planning, or is even RENO getting tired of the non-gambling crowd that comes to the convention. That's why SCI was kicked out of Las Vegas!!
Reno has been hurting for business for a long time and has made some real deals for conventions...just to get the business.
I vote for someplace WARM...then my wife will come along too!!
470EDDY
07 April 2008, 03:12
458LottfanPerhaps in a couple more years the Phoenix area will be a good spot. Our current convention center is pitiful to say the least. We just sat in on a planning meeting for the old GM proving Grounds and expansion of the Williams Gate Way Airport. They are planning a huge new resort with a state of the art convention center. Plus it is only 5 miles from the house
07 April 2008, 03:22
L. David KeithLet's just have it in Nashville at either the convention center or Opryland Hotel (there's expensive for you). We're a major Interstate hub and the airport is International as well. Plenty of outside activities, restaurants, liquor etc., just no gambling unless you call the lottery your game of chance.
We offer some of the roughest roads in the US of A. President Bush made note of it (I'm waiting on my check George!) Weather is usually fair, but if it's too cold we can go duck and goose hunting.
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07 April 2008, 03:49
billrquimby"HUMMMMM??!! SCI had a 10 year commitment with the Sands and I think they are only into it by 4-5 years...is this longrange planning, or is even RENO getting tired of the non-gambling crowd that comes to the convention. That's why SCI was kicked out of Las Vegas!! Reno has been hurting for business for a long time and has made some real deals for conventions...just to get the business. I vote for someplace WARM...then my wife will come along too!!"
470Eddy:
Is there a Sands Hotel in Reno? I was part of the SCI management staff when the club decided to move to Reno "permanently," and I can tell you with absolute certainty that SCI was never "kicked out of Las Vegas" and a "non-gambling crowd" was not an issue in Vegas -- or Reno.
SCI left Vegas because a) exhibitors were complaining about oppressive union rules and high costs of exhibiting, and b) because the profit margin for the club is higher in Reno.
As far as I know, the SCI convention still is Reno's largest event of any kind and brings more money into that city than any other organization. The city fathers (and mothers) love SCI.
I am out of the loop now, but if SCI is looking elsewhere I strongly suspect that it is because it fears Reno won't be able to accommodate the convention's projected growth.
SCI tried mini-conventions in Orlando and Atlanta years ago and learned they didn't draw more members from eastern states as was expected.
Bill Quimby