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Palmer
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In the past I have always used A Frames for Buff and never put a solid under the soft.

I want to use a Woodleigh soft for the first round this time just because it shoots well in my 404. I did shoot two swamp buff with it (two shots each buff) in Australia last year and experienced no problems.

I have done some pretty stupid things before. Would it be another one of my dumb ideas to just forget about the solids and run 400 gr. Woodleigh softs all the way down for Cape Buff?


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Allen, I've done dumber things and got out alive! Go for it!

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Those .404s penetrate like billy oh....... why not load Woodleigh PSP all the way?






 
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Why solids on anything but elephant, rhino and hippo on land? with today's premiums why bother? jorge


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Palmer,

A lot of PHs these days are recommending premium softs ONLY for buffalo.

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A lot of PHs these days are recommending premium softs ONLY for buffalo.



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Allen,

The last time I used solids for buffalo was 1982!!

I have no experience with the Woodleighs performance, but from what I gather, they are very good. So I would say go for it.


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Palmer,

You could "split the baby" and go North Fork Cup Point Solid 380 or 430 grn for in the magazine:

http://www.northforkbullets.co...ds/423-430-cps.html/

http://www.northforkbullets.co...ds/423-380-cps.html/



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Allen, in my experience, Woodleigh softs are softer than I would want for deep penetration through bone and tough tissue, or even a few feet of grass-filled paunch.

Fine for broadside shots through the ribcage, or straight on shots below the chin, but not so good for shoulder bone or side-on raking shots.

If you were talking about the Barnes TSX, I would say go for it.

But not with the Woodleigh. Fine bullet, as far as it goes, but I would back it up with something stronger, or better yet start with something stronger, if I were you.


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Allen, I would be more concerned with the bullet on a Buff hunt than how tightly they group on paper...within reason, of course. If using an A-Frame, TBBC, Northfork, or Barnes, I would be comfortable using only "softs". I like Woodleighs, but even the last 2 Woodleigh solids I retrieved from my Elephant last year were severely fishtailed. Either back them up with solids or use one of the stiffer softs listed.
 
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tu2 What Biebs and Michael Robinson said above. Absolutely, 100% correct .


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Hi Allen,I use only woodleigh 400grn soft points in my 404 and they have work with out any problems.If you were planning on shooting jumbo then I would use the solids but for everything else go for it tu2
 
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Might be worth considering 450grnes if they work as well in your rifle.
"Touch wood" I have had quite good success with Woodleigh FMJs and even when shooting through bush which is where Buff are often found.
 
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My limited experience showed the Woodleigh softs don't penetrate as well as some others, aka Swift A-frames. Probably fine 95% of the time, but...
 
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There’s no one perfect setup for every possible scenario, and I am sure you can make it work if this is the route you choose.

I wanted a single bullet for lion and buffalo, and in the buff the non-protected point did the job but was indeed soft and penetrated “just enough” on a quartering-to shot. Shortly thereafter they came out w/the PP’s which overall would seem to be a better option.

Also, I like a bullet that could in a pinch stand some chance of warding off a charge by elephant or other (not sure if anybody proved this but the TSX is my choice), or be able to cycle-out a soft and have 3+ solids at my disposal.
 
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Hi Palmer,

I thought this could be useful to you:

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Originally posted by Atkinson:
I shoot the 450-400 at 2200 FPS and the 416 at 2400 to 2450 FPS and have shot the .416 at 2250 FPS early on..I definatly get much better penetration at 2400 FPS. Because of that I use a soft and a solid in the 450-400.

I prefer the 2400 FPS mostly because at the first shot the buff turns and takes off and a good hard soft at 2400 will come to rest in the neck or front of the shoulder even if it breaks the bit hip bone or pelvis, the lower velocity sometimes will not do that was my experience anyway.

If I were to use my .416 Rem or 404 at 2200 FPS I would use a North Fork cup point and that should get me by..but I like the extra horse power you get with 2400 FPS..

Another problem with the 2200 FPS is I have seen bullets skid sideways on buff and go between the inside of the shoulder and outside of the rib cage when they should have gone to the heart and broke the spine perhaps. I think this is due to the lower velocity of the 450-400. The solution to this problem in the smaller 40 calibers and the .375 H&H is a solid or North Fork cup point, but the extra 200 or so FPS seem to me to be a better solution.



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Simply to add to your catalog of experiences with Woodleigh softs, I would offer that I shot a buffalo on the point of the shoulder with a factory 500 grain Woodleigh from a .470NE. The animal was rather uphill from the firing position. While the bullet shattered the knee, it failed to penetrate beyond the joint space into the thoracic cavity, resulting in a wounded buff in the palmeto.
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Experiment. Why not try it and see if you make it back alive? Then we will all know (if you are able to post) Seriously you will have a PH to back you up. Go for it.


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I prefer to use only solids on buff.My second choice would be a 500gr swift-a -frame or a 550gr woodleigh RN.I've shot a bunch of different bullets on buff,including solids for dispatching and was surprised that I could not get much penetration.IMO,for a reliable first shot from various angles you need power behind a good solid.Also,both PH's I've hunted with felt that using a solid as a first shot on buff was a better way of going about it, or a least that was the impression I got.
 
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Repeat after me - big target, high brisket, high through the shoulders, high brisket, high through the shoulders, solid does it well, drop on the spot.

Low brisket, low leg, behind shoulders, in the guts, miss a head or neck shot, enjoy the chase.
 
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