OH - this will also be a big benefit to Houston SC. If I were them I would be looking to move to a big convention centre in 2013 and gearing up for that... hell there are so many hunters in Houston....

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Originally posted by Die Ou Jagter:
The shows although similar will be different. There will be more vendors for each show. There are now vendors that attend one or the other but probably now will show at each show.

You are reinforcing my (and Larry's) theory that the shows will be identical. Same operators, same venue, same show, different week. Both shows will sell out all booth spaces, since it is in the same hall, it will look a lot alike.

It is more likely that one would attend both shows if the venue were different.

This all takes place in the "off season" and most hunters are looking for something to do. I would venture that most people that attend either of the shows goes for more than on day. My bet is they will attend the DSC show for a couple of days and then in a couple of weeks take in the SCI show. In this I am refering to the "locals" and those that prefer the SCI vs DCS and visa versa will still travel to the show. Personally I will probably still attend the DSC show instead of the SCI show. I am a strong supporter of SCI but I just prefer the "gang" at DSC.

Hey Mark,

the 2013 schedule as it seems to be shaping up would be Dallas SC, then Houston SC the following weekend, then Dallas SCI.

Man, three weeks in Texas. Think I'll play some Lyle Lovett to get in the mood and make sure my pants are two inches longer in the inseam and my hat down.

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Originally posted by Die Ou Jagter:
My bet is they will attend the DSC show for a couple of days and then in a couple of weeks take in the SCI show.

Well, I hope you are right.

I can see some "locals" going to DSC, then showing up for SCI and turning around at the gate due to pricing of entry. $150/day + SCI membership for everyone who walks through the door? Compared to $15 to $20 the week before (I can't remember how much it costs).

It will be interesting to see the results of this move.

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Originally posted by nkonka:
Man, three weeks in Texas. Think I'll play some Lyle Lovett to get in the mood and make sure my pants are two inches longer in the inseam and my hat down.

There you go Dan! Way to get in the spirit!

After we secede, it may be a requirement for entry, either that or pay for a visa.

If small texas penises, I mean egos had not got in the way we wouldn't have two stinking shows to begin with.

Wendell, I haven't been to SCI for a few years. I didn't know the price had risen so much, but then it is the "BIG SHEW". The high rollers that go there will still come even if it is moved to Dallas. I don't think there are as many "low rollers" in Reno as ther are in Dallas

D99, I am personally glad there is a DSC as the AR geathering in Reno was a bit of a dud. Oh Shit now I have started another

FWIW - The "entry fee", "support donation", or whatever you like to call it for attendance to the SCI Convention is $250.00 for a 4 day pass. DOJ, it has been at that level for quite a few years so, "the price hasn't risen that much" as you stated. That works out to $62.50 per day and includes "free" transportation to and from the Convention, "free" transportation to and from the Evening Activities, badges, nametags, really nice bag to carry all your vendor information, annual commerative pin, complete access to the Show, seminars, World Class taxidermy display and availaility to over 1,200 Vendors. When you add it all up doesn't seem to bad to me, as cab rides are usually $20.00 each way, a lot of seminars these days will cost you $15.00-$50.00 and no where else is there this many outfitters and vendors from throughout the World at your fingertips.

If you don't see this as a "bargin", then go to some of the other Shows, pay their measly entry fee if that is all that turns you on, but you will not get the same quality experience as SCI offers, plain and simple.

As I have stated before, Dallas is such a turnoff, I most likely won't attend either show in that location.

Larry Sellers
SCI Life Member

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Originally posted by Larry Sellers:
As I have stated before, Dallas is such a turnoff, I most likely won't attend either show in that location.

Gee, I am from Houston and there is no love lost between Dallas and Houston, but describing Dallas as a turnoff when you live in New Mexico, . . . that's even too absurd for me. Sort of like vacationing in Amarillo.

Larry, if # of vendors turns you one then by all means come east for a week and take in the Eastern Sportsman Show, in Harrisburg, Pa. My best estimation of # of vendors would be at least 5,000 plus. As to Reno or Dallas I go for the show not the emenities of the town. When I went to Reno I stayed at the Hotel across the parking lot and took my meals there. I can only go for two days and it is all these old legs can stand to see just a few of the vendors at Dallas that I want to spend time with.

Die Ou Jagter & Larry,

My point was that SCI in Dallas will not have as many "locals". If you are from Dallas and you would go to Reno for SCI, you will probably still go when it is in Dallas.

1 Day pass is $150, if you are not a member, add $75. This was meant to show that no local yokel is going to pay that to get into this show for a day.

Not saying it is good or bad, it just is what it is.

SCI will still attract visitors, but as you (Larry) said earlier, the same venue will hurt both shows.

As for penis size ... oh no, not another one of those threads!

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Originally posted by D99:
If small texas penises, I mean egos had not got in the way we wouldn't have two stinking shows to begin with.

You make some of the most assinine posts on these boards. Are you really that dense or are you just crying out for more attention...or a bigger penis?

Don't bother responding. I've wasted enough of my time reading your posts.

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Originally posted by Larry Sellers:
FWIW - The "entry fee", "support donation", or whatever you like to call it for attendance to the SCI Convention is $250.00 for a 4 day pass. DOJ, it has been at that level for quite a few years so, "the price hasn't risen that much" as you stated. That works out to $62.50 per day and includes "free" transportation to and from the Convention, "free" transportation to and from the Evening Activities, badges, nametags, really nice bag to carry all your vendor information, annual commerative pin, complete access to the Show, seminars, World Class taxidermy display and availaility to over 1,200 Vendors. When you add it all up doesn't seem to bad to me, as cab rides are usually $20.00 each way, a lot of seminars these days will cost you $15.00-$50.00 and no where else is there this many outfitters and vendors from throughout the World at your fingertips.

If you don't see this as a "bargin", then go to some of the other Shows, pay their measly entry fee if that is all that turns you on, but you will not get the same quality experience as SCI offers, plain and simple.

As I have stated before, Dallas is such a turnoff, I most likely won't attend either show in that location.

Larry Sellers
SCI Life Member

See gentlemen, I told you it was an over priced snob fest!

For your info Mr. Sellers, all the seminars at DSC are covered by you entrance ticket! I have zero problem paying $1000, to $1500 per day to hunt dangerous game in Africa, but I wouldn’t pay $62 per day to attend the SCI convention so I can offer my $1500 per day to an outfitter. A safari has something to sell, I wouldn’t pay $62 per day to SCI to buy what they want to sell if they had the Winged Pegasus doing loop the loops in the air over the booths. I have zero problem with others doing so, however.

That said I don’t like SCI being moved to Dallas either, but not for the same reasons Mr. Sellers states. My reason is, IMO it will hinder both shows. In that regard it will hurt HSC more than DSC because it is in the week between the two.

I simply love the state of New Mexico, and have hunted there for many decades, Too bad ABQ doesn’t have better air service, and facilities better than a rodeo barn for the SCI show, then Mr. Sellers could attend without having to set foot in an airport, or Texas at all!

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Originally posted by MJines:

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Originally posted by Larry Sellers:
As I have stated before, Dallas is such a turnoff, I most likely won't attend either show in that location.

Gee, I am from Houston and there is no love lost between Dallas and Houston, but describing Dallas as a turnoff when you live in New Mexico, . . . that's even too absurd for me. Sort of like vacationing in Amarillo.

..........or Albuquerque......

MJ - Obviously you haven't been to many of the outstanding spots in New Mexico? From my deck at 8,700 feet I can see an entire mountain range, with no vehicles, no air pollution, no noise, bull elk, mule deer, black bear etc. We also have more the whitetails and hogs to hunt out this way!! For some reason to me this far surpasses, Dallas/Houston skyscrapers, exhaust fumes, millions of vehicles, arrogant people, air pollution, cops who won't let you see dying relatives (couldn't resist that one) and on and on.

Mac - ABQ has dozens of direct flights daily to the State of Texas and the airport is bright, clean, larger than most for the City size, easy to get in and out of to City Center, and most of all really good, friendly folks out here.

I can't go to a movie, play a round of golf, have a nice dinner out, ski for a day, or much of anything I guess for less than $62.00 a day anymore. To each his own, but I really can't think of anything better for my $62.00 than spending a day with friends, family and thousands of other International Sportmen and Sportswomen at the SCI Convention in Reno.

Sorry but Dallas/Houston to me are just big ole dirty cities.

Larry Sellers
SCI Life Member

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Originally posted by MJines:

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Originally posted by Larry Sellers:
As I have stated before, Dallas is such a turnoff, I most likely won't attend either show in that location.

Gee, I am from Houston and there is no love lost between Dallas and Houston, but describing Dallas as a turnoff when you live in New Mexico, . . . that's even too absurd for me. Sort of like vacationing in Amarillo.

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Originally posted by Lhook7:

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Originally posted by D99:
If small texas penises, I mean egos had not got in the way we wouldn't have two stinking shows to begin with.

You make some of the most assinine posts on these boards. Are you really that dense or are you just crying out for more attention...or a bigger penis?

Don't bother responding. I've wasted enough of my time reading your posts.

People count on it, so I have to deliver! Here are my top 2 small penis issues.

1. Hate bowhunting elitism (this one finds me in the most hot water). Why should bowhunters get to hunt the elk rut every year, and in some states get unilimited doe tags, or over the counter tags that are not available to everyone else?

2. Hate the fact that we have no one hunting organization to unite us all. And everyone is so proud of their little pittance piece of the pie. Pride is going to kill us all. Unite or fail!

3. I do actually love Texas, but beleive the only thing big about Texas is the pride, or ego that Texans fall prey to. Texas is a great state, full of somewhere in the neighborhood of 20% of the nation's hunters. What's not to like about that? Alaska is bigger, Alaska has more coastline, California has more people, but the great state of Texas has the most huntable big game animals of any other area in our nation. But why the ego?

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Originally posted by Larry Sellers:
MJ - Obviously you haven't been to many of the outstanding spots in New Mexico? From my deck at 8,700 feet I can see an entire mountain range, with no vehicles, no air pollution, no noise, bull elk, mule deer, black bear etc. We also have more the whitetails and hogs to hunt out this way!! For some reason to me this far surpasses, Dallas/Houston skyscrapers, exhaust fumes, millions of vehicles, arrogant people, air pollution, cops who won't let you see dying relatives (couldn't resist that one) and on and on.

Mac - ABQ has dozens of direct flights daily to the State of Texas and the airport is bright, clean, larger than most for the City size, easy to get in and out of to City Center, and most of all really good, friendly folks out here.

I can't go to a movie, play a round of golf, have a nice dinner out, ski for a day, or much of anything I guess for less than $62.00 a day anymore. To each his own, but I really can't think of anything better for my $62.00 than spending a day with friends, family and thousands of other International Sportmen and Sportswomen at the SCI Convention in Reno.

Sorry but Dallas/Houston to me are just big ole dirty cities.

Larry Sellers
SCI Life Member
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Hell Larry, I'm born and raised in the HEART of TX and I agree wholeheartdly with that statement!! I'd MUCH rather be where you are any day of the year compared to DFW or Houston!! God Bless TX, but I hold no love for those big metropolis'. Not for me..

But again, we're talking about having a convention of monumental proportions.. While alot of these cities mentioned are quite big enough to support a venue of this magnitude, they lack the facility in which to hold it in.. I think this is why alot of these cities have been X'd off the list and we are left with a limited number of "qualified" cities to sift through.. My next vote, after Phoenix, would be either San Diego or LA. Great weather, lots to do outside of the convention, ease getting in and out, etc. People say SCI's reason for not having the convention on the west coast is to keep folks from having to travel all that way, but whats the difference in traveling to San Diego as opposed to the current locales of Vegas and Reno in terms of flight time from any east coast location? 30 minutes, maybe?? Probably less because you can get to them direct. Its a moot point to argue that.. Hell, Reno is a bitch to get into more times than not as it is with the connecting flights, weather, etc.
On top of that, where would you rather be in January.. Dallas or San Diego?? No comparison in my book!!

I have been so pissed since hearing about SCI going to Dallas that I haven't been able to comment. This is possibly the absolute worst decision, amongst a not unsubstantial number of bad ones, that SCI has ever made, IMO. And I am not a lone voice crying out in the wilderness about this assanine move.

I have attended every SCI convention since 1995, missing the most recent due to a medical problem. I am a past president and board member of a major SCI chapter, a Life SCI & SABLES member and I chose to participate in the record book program because I believe it establishes a data base for quality and frequency of species, without which research would be severely impacted.

Past presidents of other SCI chapters feel exactly as I do about this. We simply do not understand the motivation of the SCI leadership decision making process in regards to this move.
I see this as an unnecessary in your face confrontation and challenge to DSC, and I don't know why. SCI has always been remiss in keeping members informed of the decision making process, but this one is too incredible to accept with complacency. I believe it will result in only bad things for both SCI and DSC.

I have serious doubts as to whether I will continue to attend the SCI show.

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Originally posted by Larry Sellers:
MJ - Obviously you haven't been to many of the outstanding spots in New Mexico? From my deck at 8,700 feet I can see an entire mountain range, with no vehicles, no air pollution, no noise, bull elk, mule deer, black bear etc. We also have more the whitetails and hogs to hunt out this way!! For some reason to me this far surpasses, Dallas/Houston skyscrapers, exhaust fumes, millions of vehicles, arrogant people, air pollution, cops who won't let you see dying relatives (couldn't resist that one) and on and on.

Mac - ABQ has dozens of direct flights daily to the State of Texas and the airport is bright, clean, larger than most for the City size, easy to get in and out of to City Center, and most of all really good, friendly folks out here.

I can't go to a movie, play a round of golf, have a nice dinner out, ski for a day, or much of anything I guess for less than $62.00 a day anymore. To each his own, but I really can't think of anything better for my $62.00 than spending a day with friends, family and thousands of other International Sportmen and Sportswomen at the SCI Convention in Reno.

Sorry but Dallas/Houston to me are just big ole dirty cities.

Larry Sellers
SCI Life Member

I Retired from 31 yrs from American Airlines, so airports and schedules are no mystery to me, and for a city the size of ABQ you got no fights at all when 10,000 people are trying to come into the city for a convention like SCI's, from all over the world. Just as hard to get to as RENO.

I agree with you about any big city, not just Houston, or Dallas/FortWorth, but to put on a show like SCI cities like that is where they have to be. As far as arrogant people you need to know that 80 % of the people in DALLAS are from back East,mostly NewYork, or Chicago! Hell there aren't but three Texans in Dallas, sort of like the people in and around ABQ, and Santa Fe. most are big city imports from California. Particualrly around SantaFe, most are what's left of the hippie movement that migrated to NM from San Francisco.

I love the state of New Mexico, and as I said have lived, and hunted all over that state for 50 yrs so there isn't much you can tell me about NM that I don't already know, from Anthony, NM to Dulce, NM, and from Clovis,NM to Luna, NM, I've covered it all at with rifle, or bow in tow, one time or another. I agree it is a wounderful place for a hunter to live, but it just ain't got the makeins for an SCI convention.

None of this has anything to do with the price of addmition to SCI's events, and the people you see at one you will normally see at the other, and like you I don't like the traffic, and I have to drive through 50 miles of traffic one way to visit Market hall, or the convention center, so it makes little difference which big city it is held in that is the lot you deal with.
Mr Sellers we agree more than you think, on a lot of things, but it is evident you have spent little time in TEXAS, where real Texans live, and Dallas, and Houston are not representative of Texas people. Like most large cities the population are form from a melting pot!

.............Good hunting, and I'm very sorry you will miss half of your SCI conventions, because they are in Dallas! I wish it would stay where it was, but you and I both will simply have to live with their pick, it seems!

Mac - I agree we do have most things in common and I was not suggesting that SCI have their convention in Albuquerque. Just clarifying to some that seemed to put New Mexico down, that it is indeed a great overall place to be.

It's unfourtunate, but it seems there is not a big city in our Country today, that doesn't have all of the drugs, crime, pollution, traffic etc. I guess that's why I like Reno, cowtown, smalltown atmosphere, but still enough room to host Conventions.

I really don't know the details on this move to Dallas, but would like to see the SCI membership demand a little more information as to the why's and what's on this move. Kinda like our own Government today.

Larry Sellers
SCI Life Member

Oh by the Mac, please no Mister needed.

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Originally posted by Larry Sellers:
I really don't know the details on this move to Dallas, but would like to see the SCI membership demand a little more information as to the why's and what's on this move. Kinda like our own Government today.

Larry Sellers
SCI Life Member

Well, Larry, you are certainly not alone in this regard. What the hell were they thinking?

I have heard the complaints about how it's too difficult for some folks to fly into Reno, but the advantages to SCI in Reno were enormous. We were treated very well by the Reno people (restaurant, taxis, hotel, etc.) because we "made" their Winter season. This was never the case in Vegas where we were just "another" among many and a $3 tip for a $7 taxi ride was greeted with attitude and nobody cared that we were with SCI. I wonder which will be the case in Dallas, especially following the DSC show?

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Originally posted by D99:

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Originally posted by Lhook7:

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Originally posted by D99:
If small texas penises, I mean egos had not got in the way we wouldn't have two stinking shows to begin with.

You make some of the most assinine posts on these boards. Are you really that dense or are you just crying out for more attention...or a bigger penis?

Don't bother responding. I've wasted enough of my time reading your posts.

People count on it, so I have to deliver! Here are my top 2 small penis issues.

1. Hate bowhunting elitism (this one finds me in the most hot water). Why should bowhunters get to hunt the elk rut every year, and in some states get unilimited doe tags, or over the counter tags that are not available to everyone else?

2. Hate the fact that we have no one hunting organization to unite us all. And everyone is so proud of their little pittance piece of the pie. Pride is going to kill us all. Unite or fail!

3. I do actually love Texas, but beleive the only thing big about Texas is the pride, or ego that Texans fall prey to. Texas is a great state, full of somewhere in the neighborhood of 20% of the nation's hunters. What's not to like about that? Alaska is bigger, Alaska has more coastline, California has more people, but the great state of Texas has the most huntable big game animals of any other area in our nation. But why the ego?

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But why the ego?

If you've got to ask, you wouldn't understand the answer........

I usually go to both. I go to Reno for the Custom gun makers guild show and then go to SCI. I hate the cost of the SCI event. I quit going to Reno a couple of years ago because I could see much of what I want to see at the Dallas event. SCI seems to attract too many peripheral exhibitors. When you get down to it, one can get a reasonable and representative mix of outfitters in Dallas. Less cost, less hassle. I really think that SCI has gotten so big that, like the Tulsa Arms Show, It is hard to see and digest it all in a three day event. Dallas gives me the best deal. I miss my friends at the Custom Gunmakers Guild.
I say let the west coast folks, that are able to drive to Reno, go through all of the flight BS I have had to go through for the past 18 years. Dallas at least has a decent air port. It has two!

Appears like SCI is employing the "Verdun" strategy. If SCI, Dallas and Houston all bleed at about the same rate, Dallas and Houston will die before SCI. SCI already booted Rowland Ward.

This "competing with other hunters" will be the death of us all.

SCI "First (and if all goes according to plan, the only one) for Hunters."

SG,
I agree. We (the hunting public) really does not need 3 competing groups doing the same thing.