Does anyone have any experience using this ammo on plains game? I'm considering the 162 gr. ID Classic in .280 Remington.

had a client using this... he scored ok on plains game..in 30-06 though... It was a softpoint bullet, not too sure what ID classic means... may not be the same one, but our exprience has been that RWS loads are very accurate and well thought of for the most part.

I have used them back in 1995 in Namibia - was shooting them from 7mm Rem. Mag. Got Warthog, Kudu and Hartebeest. You would get clean entry wounds made by cutting edge, bullet fragments quite some and is rather soft, so don't expect exits on a game above 100kg.

Anyway, bullet is almost 100yr old brainchild of Mr. Brenneke and you can find more info on TIG bullet as they call it at Brenneke's - results in 7x64 are similar as to be expected in 280. It is a very popular bullet here in EU so you will find a lot of info.

Here is some theory from RWS - click "Impact" to see gel block clip...

http://www.jagd.rottweil-munit...lets/id-classic.html

Thanks for the info. It seems this ammo is being phased out here in the states and some good buys are available on it. I am impressed with the accuracy I can obtain with my rifle out to 350+ meters. I think I will grab some more of it to take to Africa on next trip for plains game.

Hi Larry

I have used it in my 8x68 with 224gr KS bullets. They expand too rapidly to take body shots realible from any angle. I absolutely hate them , in fact the last bunch I bought, I pulled all the bullets and replaced it with 220gr Swift A-Frames.
(Of course, like in all else, shot placement is the most important consideration, and if you are the same Larry that hunted with Frederik, you can shoot, but you propably also know that shot angles cannot alwyas be perfect.)

Karl
I think what I have would be OK for the smaller animals, but will stay with my A-Frames for the larger game.
I Will send PM
Larry

They make a bunch of different bullets (11 soft points /mono HP's on show at IWA...) so have to compare results with exactly the same bullets.

I have found their copy of the brenneke TUG to be too soft, certainly too soft for buff or Eland and not what their 1980's Vintage TUG was...but they make bullets for most occasions- they have the H mantle which is basically a partition...they have a Barnes TSX type and a very similar one that is designed to fragment rather than expand. For solids they load woodleighs.

Given a choice, I would prefer other soft point bullets to the RWS offerings.

We cut up every single type we could get hold of, and found the jackets far too thin to hold the bullet together.

They might be good for some of the older, slower calibers.

But I would not use them in any of the modern high velocity calibes we have today.

The ones I have are the ID Classic "torpedo" bullet in .280 Remington?

As Mouse 93 Noted, this is RWS's version of the classic Brenneke TIG (RWS used to make original Brenneke TIG and TUG bullets until a legal falling out a few years back).

The TIG is for rapid expansion on smallish game like Roe deer and up to red deer.

Use them on targets.

Buy real bullets for real animals.....

Dear Larry

Have shot many Sambar, red deer, thar, etc.
Moose and other small game.

Using 300WM 181g H mantle

Very accurate, love them.

On a 250kg deer bullets usually get court under the skin on the far side.

But are getting very expensive.

Would have no issue using them in africa.

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Originally posted by cameronaussie:
Dear Larry

Have shot many Sambar, red deer, thar, etc.
Moose and other small game.

Using 300WM 181g H mantle

Very accurate, love them.

On a 250kg deer bullets usually get court under the skin on the far side.

But are getting very expensive.

Would have no issue using them in africa.

Hi Cameronausie,

Larry is specifically asking about the ID Classics, not the H-Mantle.

There are far too many people with less than satisfying results from this ammo to chance a safari on them in my humble opinion.

Somehow there remains a significant part of European hunting mindset that believes in some magical "explosive" effect that translates to supposedly dead animals; perhaps with varmints, but not with any reasonably sized game!

This attitude historically lead to many GREAT German calibres getting badmouthed purely because of TERRIBLY BAD bullet design.(Taylor did little to rectify this btw)

Larry, you're in America which means you're spoiled for choice. Rather buy something good....

Stephen
I agree, The bullets I normally use are the Swift A-Frames and will probably stay with them. I am curious about the down range performance of these ID Classic bullets? I have found the RWS Brass is very uniform and reloads well.
Larry

2 remains of ID bullets - both from boars:

1. 30.06:





2. 7x57:





I'd use them on broad side shots, would have second thoughts on quartering shots and wouldn't use them on frontal or quartering shots on Eland or anything dangerous.

Mouse
Thank you, this is the type of info I was looking for. These are very accurate in my M70 .280 Remington. I think they would work OK on Springbok?
Larry

By all means - IMO the breaking point would be Zebra or bigger.

Not to hi-jack too much, but how about their new EVO bullet? I think they also call this the Rap-X Power Bonded although I may be mistaken on the name. These seem to be constructed with more controlled expansion and better penetration in mind.

Would be interested in any thoughts on this projectile.

Pinotguy..the evo is the Norma Oryx Bullet with a tip and a nickel plate- actually made by Norma. In effect, the tip and new final shape cause the Evo bullet to open a bit quicker than the oryx, but beeing a pure lead core and properly boded to the jacket, that doesn't matter much.

It is advertised as being Ideal for Wild Boar, and certainly the little I have seen would indicate that it is a great choice for medium sized game.

I think for smaller PG the bullets might work but for larger game I would use premium bullets. Unfortunatley RWS was always to bold and wanted to make its own thing. The reports with failures of TIG, TUG etc. are numerous. In my 8x68 I use 200 grain A-Frame.