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 We had better quit bitching, moaning and fighting with one another . We are real close to losing . | ||
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Pardon my French! But what a bunch of dumb FUCKS!!!!!! | |||
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I would file a compliant both with the state fish and game as well as your state rep and senator that your personal info is being shared with anti hunting groups without your consent. Do you think they will give you the email addresses of the 'very large group of people who oppose hunting bears' so you can invite them to watch a short pro hunting video? Hunting: Exercising dominion over creation at 2800 fps. | |||
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Why did the state of Florida release your private information? | |||
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Florida MAY have released that info but then again they might not have. When I did the online media for DSC, people would always ask why we (the organization) was sharing their email. DSC wasn't. Your email is out there for anyone who wants to find it be it PETA, Antis, or companies. Not only that, your electronic signature is out there as well. Google and Amazon know what you looked at online and for how long. they know if you're a male, you're ethnicity, and how much you make. It's an electronic world out there folks. And everything you do is tracked and stored and can be obtained for very little money. | |||
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If what Gayne stated above did not open your eyes, simply Google your own name and see what you get! Even the rocks don't last forever. | |||
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I once googled my name and saw that I had died of AIDS in 1988. Interesting | |||
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I'm sorry, but WTF? I know the post is about how they obtained your information, but I can't get beyond the content of the message. Let's impose birth control on bears? Did the bears consent to this? How will we decide which ones will be darted and which ones will be left to give birth? Who's paying for this again? This one is so bizarre you couldn't make it up, and it is "superior" to hunting in what way? I need to come up with a scheme like this. The donations might be staggering .... JEB Katy, TX Already I was beginning to fall into the African way of thinking: That if you properly respect what you are after, and shoot it cleanly and on the animal's terrain, if you imprison in your mind all the wonder of the day from sky to smell to breeze to flowers—then you have not merely killed an animal. You have lent immortality to a beast you have killed because you loved him and wanted him forever so that you could always recapture the day - Robert Ruark DSC Life Member NRA Life Member | |||
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I teach all the bears I meet to pull out. It's pretty effective albeit messy | |||
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Larry, Invite them all to Gilchrist plus me and we'll have us a old fashioned "hanging"............... | |||
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Bear Condoms! With volunteers from Animal Recovery Mission to tackle the boars and "wrap that rascal"! Donations for the development of "Bear Proof Condoms", followed by the entertainment value of our mindless volunteers trying to help their fury friends who lack an opposing thumb. Patent pending! JEB Katy, TX Already I was beginning to fall into the African way of thinking: That if you properly respect what you are after, and shoot it cleanly and on the animal's terrain, if you imprison in your mind all the wonder of the day from sky to smell to breeze to flowers—then you have not merely killed an animal. You have lent immortality to a beast you have killed because you loved him and wanted him forever so that you could always recapture the day - Robert Ruark DSC Life Member NRA Life Member | |||
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Who cares what they think. Stand up to them and ignore them Time to stand up to the extremist  life member of SCI life member of NRA NTA Master Scorer SCI Scorer for Rowland Ward www.african-montana-taxidermy.com | |||
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Just an observation nothing more, BUT, do not take these people lightly. They have the money, the MSM and an uninformed emotional public all on their side. The point that folks are missing, is that Hunters as a group have finally began to realize that the anti hunting element has been working out their offense for about 20 years or so. As a group, we are just getting started, and we can't seem to stop fighting amongst ourselves. Take these people lightly, and we will have our collective asses handed to us. Even the rocks don't last forever. | |||
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Better organized than the hunting organizations. Our only hope is NRA steps up for hunters. My name shows up on the DSC new member from May 2015 camptalk. Hunting license are public documents and the internet has made a lot of stuff available. What happens when anti hunter start digging in to all the public and government paper work we have to fill out to get trophies back in the country. If anti hunters put in effort they can dig up a lot of info on people's hunting. What happens if some hunting group starts digging in to gun permits, hunting licenses ect in African countries. Looks like we as hunters have lost the public opinion and public policy framing part of hunting debate for lion and elephant. DSC/SCI need to start framing the public debate - tough to do that when there are trophy dinners and trophy presentations for hunting/killing animals and a whole measurement culture for trophies. Mike | |||
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I do like the DSC Member Roster that comes out each year to find old friends, but I get spam hunt offers. In this day of antis making death threats, it might be time to move it online with a login. I meant to be DSC Member...bad typing skills. Marcus Cady DRSS | |||
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I think SCI and DSC should train a bunch of folk and have them work volunteer or otherwise full time year round fighting for hunters on social media.It is time to get serious and smarten up.We already lost one big battle-the ivory ban.We now have a trophy cargo ban.We are fighting for the future of hunting and wildlife.These orgs.need leaders who enjoy the conservation fight. | |||
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I wondered of this was going to happen. This hits close to home and has the ability to effect Larry and I personally and professionally. I figured this would be a public records issue. BTW there are a lot of pro-hunting people that are against this bear hunt. Many feel it is being held for political reasons and is not based on sound biology. It gives that appearance but is in fact false. Jeff | |||
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I agree on having a team on hand and ready to go. Trappers have long been battling year in year out to keep their rights. Some have lost, happily most win. This is a direct result of state trapping associations, as well as national, being organized, highly motivated, and experienced. If you think hunting is under scrutiny, trapping is under attack and has been for decades. Yearly in many states, bans and restrictions are proposed. And they are defeated with regularity. It can and is being won right now. | |||
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I have said this same thing in several forms. We need to engage. Not slink away into the night. Jeff | |||
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X2 Trappers have no where near the wealth or connections the international traveling hunter has, yet we have been kicking the antis butt for years. Unfortunately we often don't even get support from other hunters. Full time professional trapper | |||
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 to the 2 Toms...they are correct!~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ J. Lane Easter, DVM A born Texan has instilled in his system a mind-set of no retreat or no surrender. I wish everyone the world over had the dominating spirit that motivates Texans.– Billy Clayton, Speaker of the Texas House No state commands such fierce pride and loyalty. Lesser mortals are pitied for their misfortune in not being born in Texas.— Queen Elizabeth II on her visit to Texas in May, 1991. | |||
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MY RESPONSE Thank you. I am aware that some people do not agree with the bear hunt. I am also aware that many do agree with the bear hunt. I am not interested in an alternative. Bears on my property are doing immense damage. They kill MANY deer fawns. I want to eat the bear while reducing the damage we are incurring as a result of the bears . Many people forget where the steaks , chicken and pork at the supermarket come from. I haven't. The bear I hunt has a lot better chance to survive than domestic livestock. In the final analysis , I want a sound viable bear population in the state. No hunter wants to see the bears disappear. I appreciate your concern . I simply disagree . For whatever it is worth , I support MANY conservation efforts world wide. I put my money where my mouth is. Thank you . Sent from my iPhone On Aug 15, 2015, at 8:19 PM, Dd <doreendupont@aol.com> wrote: Hello, The FWC sent me the list of the people who had bought licenses to hunt bears in FL. Obviously you are one of them. Florida has a very large group of people who oppose hunting of bears as a means to control the population. Soon the NGO, Animal Recovery Mission, will be running a test program with the FWC, using non-toxic darts with birth control chemicals as an alternative to hunting to control the bear population. I'd like to give you a chance to learn about the test program. Following is a 5 minute audio interview with Richard Cuoto, founder of Animal Recovery Mission, and you can hear all about it. Copy and paste the address to your browser. http://ireport.cnn.com/docs/DOC-1258440 Respectfully, | |||
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The o0nly thing I can say, is that you are about to loose the ability to manage your own property. I really wish that it was not that way. Even the rocks don't last forever. | |||
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Very polite, well spoken response! | |||
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Well written The key with fighting the anti is not getting emotional - thy want to portray hunters as emotional, irrational and aggressive. We need to be rational and calculating. This is a long war. In the US hunters should tie hunting in private property rights. Mike | |||
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Sir Lawrence ,please note the context of the letter:I quote..Obviously your one of them.....I Like to,give you,a chance ..unquote..Once again these earth muffins inflict their will,upon us ..last time I checked we have a God given right to our free will ..l know you won't respond to,this..!#/^&... I think Chris Hudson from DSC would be more than happy to discus this issue with you ..call me I'll get you his# | |||
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Shootaway is right. DSC needs a volunteer army to assist the eight full time employees on staff. I am certainly in a position to take information down on any members area of expertise, then be able to connect them with the right project to work on. It sounds like there are several people here with firm PR backgrounds that would really come in handy about now. Please PM me with contact details on the time we you will be able to donate, as well as your background, and we will get you involved as you want to be. This is exciting, seriously. The volunteer army sounds very good to me! Dave Fulson | |||
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Well, I forwarded this to SCI. They were not happy. The general counsel contacted the FWC. Accordingly to the FWC, this woman is not even affiliated with the group she claims to be. Also, these licenses have not been exempted from the public records laws. They have not no choice except to provide the list. I have to say well done SCI. They acted immediately. | |||
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Good job SCI. We need to look at hunter's rights in Florida. Jeff | |||
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This November in Texas there is a proposition on the ballot to make hunting and fishing a constitutional right. This is to make it tougher and more expensive for anti-groups who come in an try to whittle away at the state level. DSC Life Member NRA Life Member | |||
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Bravo! Great idea. Just like constitutional carry
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Dave, As you know...I handed the DSC the Definition of a Huntable Lion...totally negotiated by me written with the help of all the authors listed. As you know when I was running the Lion Conservation Task Force, Inc...I met with John Jackson in your home to get him in tune with the LCTF and the scientists on definition document. As you know when DSC signed onto that document...it was because of a meeting initiated by my partner in running the LCTF...Aaron Neilson and the facts that I put before them. I am a veterinarian...gives me credibility in the science and animal world. I am a life member of DSC. I am avid hunter. Very few folks with the exception of those like MacD37 started hunting earlier in life than I or have spent more days hunting more variety of game than I. And, I have experience with media, congress, and social media from dealing with the horse world over things like breakdown injuries in racehorses in televised races and the slaughter ban on horses in the USA. With all of that and constantly giving folks with officer status in DSC insights and advice even up to and including this Cecil thing...the DSC never utilizes my skills to help hunting. Here is my email and office number: ledvm@msn.com 580-276-1600 Happy to help. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ J. Lane Easter, DVM A born Texan has instilled in his system a mind-set of no retreat or no surrender. I wish everyone the world over had the dominating spirit that motivates Texans.– Billy Clayton, Speaker of the Texas House No state commands such fierce pride and loyalty. Lesser mortals are pitied for their misfortune in not being born in Texas.— Queen Elizabeth II on her visit to Texas in May, 1991. | |||
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Lane, I understand your position on this, but the deal is, things can not break down to the issue of hunting in Africa versus hunting in America. ALL hunting, World Wide, is threatened. Yes, hunting in Africa is under the biggest threat, but the anti's are not going to stop with getting hunting in Africa stopped. We ALL have to realize that hunting, World Wide is being targeted by the anti's, and for that reason, ALL hunters have to work at defeating those that want to take hunting away from us. Even the rocks don't last forever. | |||
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CHC........... you are absolutely right. Having said that they are deliberately using the lion and Africa as the centrepiece for their attack. In the end they are of course seeking much broader results, but they know it is easy to vilify trophy hunting in Africa with the masses in North America and the EU. They are very deliberate in what they do and there has been a lot of thought that has gone into this............ they know exactly what they are doing and have a well thought out battle plan and road map to follow. ______________________________________________ The power of accurate observation is frequently called cynicism by those who are bereft of that gift. | |||
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One issue with this is that many hunters and wildlife managers (and I am a wildlife/natural resources professional) aren’t intellectually honest about hunting. In response to attacks on hunting, many throw out the argument that hunting is needed to control wildlife populations either herbivores or predators. Then the antis come back with, well, let’s control these populations with some sort of other method such as birth control or wolves. Then we are left arguing about that, or just calling them dumb (which they are). However, deep down hunting is not really about controlling wildlife populations or feeding our families (for the vast majority); those are tangential benefits. Human hunters hunt for the same reason humans have sex, because it’s fun and it is satisfying in a primordial way we often can’t describe. Sex has tangential benefits of procreation and pair bonding, but if it wasn’t fun, we wouldn’t be doing it so much. The argument is that to feel good, feel human, feel satisfied, many people hunt, climb mountains, raft rivers, and have sex. People that don’t hunt and criticize those that do are like someone that doesn’t have (and never has had) sex yet criticizes those that do. They simply do not, and cannot understand. And maybe if even once tried, if they still don’t care for hunting or sex, they shouldn’t have the right to deny those pleasures, or innate needs, to the humans that do as long as it done in an ethical and responsible manner. If you are going to carry a big stick, you've got to whack someone with it at least every once in while. | |||
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Excellent response Redlander. Even the rocks don't last forever. | |||
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