We have been over the 45/70, we know the answer to that.......we also know there is a buff hunt coming up at many have a chance of winning.

If I won would this 50-110 be fine for buff with a 525 gr .510" bullet at 2100 fps ??

I am guessing it would work well, woodleigh are looking to make a 500 odd grain bullet for the powerful lever guns.

With a Woodleigh solid, it should work out well. But I would not want to rely on cast lead to survive high speed impact with a buffalo skull or spine.

PC,

You could also use broad flat points without the feeding problems off the staggered feed bolt actions.

Mike

It should work fine with both Woodliegh solids and softs at 2000 to 2100 FPS...

Those big flat points in a staggered feed bolt action work 100% in all my bolt action big bores they are built to feed GS Custom, Bridger and Northfork cup points...just takes a little bit of tweeking to a lot of tweeking, mostly depends on the smith working on the gun in my experience...If I live in Autstalia, I would send it to Johanson, Wolfe, or one of the European smiths listed in Hartari Times

Ray,

have some great smiths here in Australia hat can get rifles to work no need to send over seas there is a lot of hassle in that.

I think a falt nosed woodleigh of 525 gr weightat 2100 fps would do the trick, the rig pictured would make for fast follow up shots.

Your right Mike,.......be as reliable as your push feed weatherby's

Ray,

You couud tweak those staggered feed CRFs until the cows come home but if all else is equal an in line feed will will be more reliable with calibres like 458 Win/Lott with broad flat noses. Simple physics.

Mike

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Originally posted by Mike378:
Ray,

You couud tweak those staggered feed CRFs until the cows come home but if all else is equal an in line feed will will be more reliable with calibres like 458 Win/Lott with broad flat noses. Simple physics.

Mike

Mike, my .585 with single stack inline feed fed everthing flawlessly, up to and including flat nose bullets which were just a step away from full wadcutter.

Mike,
My 404s feed 100% with FN solids, what more can I ask, and I do wring them out over a year at least prior to a hunt...Guess the cows came home

It took me a long time, and half a dozen calls with Echols and Wisner, but I got it figured out, just like Paul Mauser did it, there it was as plain as the nose on your face, just use a Comm. Mauser box and copy it...Also you can use a 300 RUM box in a M-70 and make one work like a charm, call Dennis Olson on that, for more information.

I am happy for you Ray but I think you would agree the in line feed is an easier way to get there.

I have compared a 416 Wby and 416 Rigby CZ with Hornadys seated backwards and the Wby wins in a walk and doubly so if you belt the bolt closed with a rubber mallet. Altough that test is a bit severed for the CRF because of the rapid bolt closure making it difficult for the case rim to get under the extractor and the the round dips a bit.

Mike

PS Ray,

That is a good test on the pluses of in line feed because 500 grains will confirm that Wbys are pieces of shit.

Mike

500 gr,

woodleigh may be looking at making a 500 or so gr bullet with a flat nose especially for rigs pictured as above.

The Turnbell rifle users crowd in the states will be happy if this comes to fruition as Doug Turnbell has turned out quite a few .50ak's and 50-110's now.

PC

Considering you have bolt actions in .585 Nyati, a .375, a .416, maybe a .404 and who knows what in between, I would take one of those.

That's just me.

But if the lever action .50/110 floats your boat better, go for it.

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Originally posted by Atkinson:
.Also you can use a 300 RUM box in a M-70 and make one [.404] work like a charm, call Dennis Olson on that, for more information.

Ray, with you giving away all the trade secrets, how are the gunsmiths going to stay in business?

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Originally posted by NitroX:
PC

Considering you have bolt actions in .585 Nyati, a .375, a .416, maybe a .404 and who knows what in between, I would take one of those.

That's just me.

But if the lever action .50/110 floats your boat better, go for it.

Yeah I know, but there all up for going Nitro and I am just working through the process of "which one would give me the most pleasure when whopping a buff"I also have a .458 lott on a cz 550 as well, but I am tipping with the right bullet the 50-110 would do as well as the lott.

I KNOW the .585 Nyati has enough knockdown

PC,

Don't forget you have to get one of those Wby Desert Camo DGRs in 378, 416 or 460 and then you will have two rifles (with your 50/110) that will reliably feed the broad flat nose bullets

Mike

I don't know why a 50/110 wouldn't work a 45-70 does the job just ask Randy Garett

PC,
Yep that ought to do the job just fine!

BTW, what did you use in your rifle to achieve those ballistics?

You may want to give Belt Mountain a look. They are making several flat nose lbt style solids for handguns and one of them is a 450 grain 50 cal. I have a number in 45 for my colts and casull, they look really nice but I have yet to try them out on anything. It is my understanding that they have held together well in penetration tests when fired in the 50 alaskan.

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Originally posted by Rusty:
PC,
Yep that ought to do the job just fine!

BTW, what did you use in your rifle to achieve those ballistics?

Rusty I had this rifle built because a poster whom used to post here called Kev had one done and another Aussie poster called 416 sw was getting one done as well, I kind of liked the idea of "the most powerful lever gun" so here we are today.

The ballistics I quote I are not mine, they are poster Kevs whom said he as gotton a chronoed 2200 fps with the 525 gr bullet.......my rifle is 1/2" shorter so I figure I lose a 100 fps.

Yes Mike a desret camo in .378 weatherby for plains game and the 50-110 for buff, what a perfect combo of flat nosed bullet feeding rifles for an African trip

Thanks for the tip micdis, but shipping to Australia for bullets just makes it so expenisve.

PC,

Since you need a non-discriminatory technique for deciding the order in which you will use your rifles on DG, may I suggest bore size, in descending order?

.585
.510
.458
.416
.375 and last but not least
.366

If you take 2 rifles per trip, that's 4 trips to Africa.

500,

This is his orgasm rifle but a bit pricey done this way and Kreiger barrel and action woek.

You are just the man to talk him out of of it and save the dollars

http://www.weatherby.com/_images/products/rifles/_enlar...r_desertcamo_big.jpg

500,

I will be lucky to make it Africa once mate...........let alone 4 times

PC,
When you do get to shoot it over a chronograph, please let us know your results.

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Originally posted by PC:

quote:

Originally posted by NitroX:
PC

Considering you have bolt actions in .585 Nyati, a .375, a .416, maybe a .404 and who knows what in between, I would take one of those.

That's just me.

But if the lever action .50/110 floats your boat better, go for it.

Yeah I know, but there all up for going Nitro and I am just working through the process of "which one would give me the most pleasure when whopping a buff"I also have a .458 lott on a cz 550 as well, but I am tipping with the right bullet the 50-110 would do as well as the lott.

I KNOW the .585 Nyati has enough knockdown

PC

You have a serious hole in your bolt action armoury. I see a tremondous need for a CZ .505 in there.

Nitro,

there are some .505 cz's coming to the country and I have said That I want one