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The foregoing statement is true, but the person to whom it applies is certainly not Mark. Mike | |||
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Mike, You got that right, I don't seem to remember Mark Sullivan's name at the top of any internet forums. If Mark were just left alone to be Mark, no-body would be the wiser. I see no banners, no internet, heck he can't even advertise at a hunting show anymore. He actually should be the most invisible man in the hunting industry. Steve Formerly "Nganga" | |||
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He has dug himself a big hole already. In fact, just look at the two biggest hunting organizations we have. SCI and DSC. Both have given him the boot. Doesn't that tell you something? | |||
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I have probably missed it but is he banned by DSC also ? Did they give any explanation ? | |||
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Hi Saeed, Yes, it tells me volumes. Two organizations that I don't see ever belonging to. I understand you don't like Mark and his techniques and videos. I have no problem with that, I really don't. It is just where I personally choose to split the sheets with both organizations. They put more importance into awards and rings and tuxedos' than I believe any international hunters advocacy organization should. Saeed, we as sportsmen have more in common than that which divides us. We should and need to embrace those things we can agree on. Steve Formerly "Nganga" | |||
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Yes, that while both groups generally do a good job of representing hunters that neither group is above doing something irresponsible and unjustified occasionally. Do you not find it just a little ironic that you cite SCI, an organization that you castigate daily, as support for your position on Mark? Put down the shovel and climb out of the hole . . . Mike | |||
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Fourth page and counting. Will we see eight? | |||
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I SEE. so it should be like voting for Congressmen and then letting them elect the President. makes perfect sense. oops, that's right- you DO vote for club officers in the Lions Club- you just have no vote for SCI officers. chapter leadership is perfectly free to vote for whomever they please, regardless of what chapter membership may or may not want. there is no voting record or accountability. i think it is called a secret ballot. so why does the NRA allow EVERY member to vote for national officers with the election overseen by an accounting firm?? bottom line is SCI is a "good old boys club" with no accountability to the at- large membership, since those members have no say in the process. if a few individuals at the top of the pyramid decide MS is gone- he is gone, with no recourse. Vote Trump- Putin’s best friend… To quote a former AND CURRENT Trumpiteer - DUMP TRUMP | |||
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Mike, First of all I am not the one digging a hole, as I have nothing to prove to anyone. Second, I do object to SCI doing all the silly things they do, just as I object to the silly "my balls are bigger than yours" that Mark Sullivan has been telling the whole world about for years. Bloody hell, how can a sane person equates hunting with war!! That guy needs mental treatment! If some of you are into hero worship, go right ahead. I am not into this teenage trait. | |||
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That would be ONE man's interpretation and nothing more. Would some agree with you? Sure. A lot would disagree too and I am one of those. Brett DRSS Life Member SCI Life Member NRA Life Member WSF Rhyme of the Sheep Hunter May fordings never be too deep, And alders not too thick; May rock slides never be too steep And ridges not too slick. And may your bullets shoot as swell As Fred Bear's arrow's flew; And may your nose work just as well As Jack O'Connor's too. May winds be never at your tail When stalking down the steep; May bears be never on your trail When packing out your sheep. May the hundred pounds upon you Not make you break or trip; And may the plane in which you flew Await you at the strip. -Seth Peterson | |||
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Hi Brett, I Don't pretend to know how long you've been around SCI. My 11 years as a director, CLOSE to the international HDQ's allowed me to see the light. I think time will change your mind, not Jerry and not I. I'd rather have a red hot poker shoved up my arse than go back amongst these wolves. Steve Formerly "Nganga" | |||
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 but Brett is right- he, Matt, and DOJ will always disagree. but for the life of me i still can't understand how SCI leadership is accountable to anyone. THEY ARE NOT ELECTED BY THE GENERAL MEMBERSHIP AND THEY NEVER EXPAIN THE ARCANE REASONING THAT GOES INTO ANY DECISION! maybe Brett can explain why a past President who admitted to shooting moose from a helicopter in Russia in federal court depositions is still an active, exhibiting member. should make interesting reading.Vote Trump- Putin’s best friend… To quote a former AND CURRENT Trumpiteer - DUMP TRUMP | |||
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marky's pimp starts another campaign to drum up business... Yo Dollar, it is not illegal in Russia. | |||
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It may not be illegal Rich, but it's certainly not fair chase. Formerly "Nganga" | |||
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big difference between legal and ethical- but then i doubt the SCI "ETHICS COMMITTEE" could tell the difference.and at the time the incident occurred, the "hunters" were told by the game official on scene that it was OK- but this was later refuted by the head honcho in Moscow. regardless of legality, i just prefer not to try for the SCI Door Gunner Award. maybe things are different in Idaho. to each his own.... Vote Trump- Putin’s best friend… To quote a former AND CURRENT Trumpiteer - DUMP TRUMP | |||
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WOW! Someone REALY hates SCI! | |||
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"Wow!" is right.... This is the guy who came onto this forum and slung feces like a monkey at the zoo. I guess SCI must really check their leadership. I wonder if Adrook was a director also???? Steve, I know you have turned over a new leaf but I am not so quick to let you forget what a dick you were back when you were posting anonymously. No offense, but you deserve to eat the shit you threw. Maybe your writing career will lift you above the fray. I guess I should not be surprised that you were and SCI director.  Jason "You're not hard-core, unless you live hard-core." _______________________ Hunting in Africa is an adventure. The number of variables involved preclude the possibility of a perfect hunt. Some problems will arise. How you decide to handle them will determine how much you enjoy your hunt. Just tell yourself, "it's all part of the adventure." Remember, if Robert Ruark had gotten upset every time problems with Harry Selby's flat bed truck delayed the safari, Horn of the Hunter would have read like an indictment of Selby. But Ruark rolled with the punches, poured some gin, and enjoyed the adventure. -Jason Brown | |||
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You know, having been shot once and also stabbed, I have a whole different perspective the thrill of gambling with one's life. Absolutely NOTHING compares with the rush. After my experiences and thirty additional years passed, upon reflection, some things are best left undone. I have learned to strive for enjoyment and a little boredom, if I can achieve these two goals, it means nothing is going seriously wrong. I wish the best of luck to those whom still gamble . . . to each their own, keep it private and you will have fewer problems. | |||
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You slipping up Jerry - you forgot the 4th of the bunch! | |||
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Jason, You certainly have the right to be as nasty as you want. Having said that, I have gotten to know Steve. You never seem to pass an opportunity to skewer the guy. He is a decent guy. How bout give it a rest? Jeff | |||
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Jeff, It is called payback. Steve did not spare anyone from his nasty behavior in his previous life on the forums. May be that is why he does not want to hunt with any PH who posts on Internet forums?! | |||
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Saeed, When I left, there were no less than FIVE past presidents, and a complete BOD. I was far from the loner protestor. The new Chapter leadership, knew he could not run the BOD in his image with the group of headstrong men running it. He had to run us all off, with his "Silly antics" and "nasty behavior" in order to do it his way. Steve Formerly "Nganga" | |||
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Steve, If what we see going on at SCI headquarters is an example, I don't blame you for not wanting to work with them. | |||
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When things started to go south, the current President called our regional representative and his superior. There was a phone meeting and "we" were told, "there was nothing illegal or un-ethical being done" The new President was a climber. I'm sure you've met guys like this. They leave tracks on everyone's forehead to achieve a self imposed goal. The only thing that matters is the end, not the integrity of the journey. We were all volunteers, giving our time with nothing expected in return but some camaraderie and working for a cause we all believed in. When it becomes a fight, political or just not fun anymore, why continue. I bet there are some chapters around that are fun and run in a manner that the founders of SCI would approve of. Old blood guys, ironically, guys like Mark Sullivan. Formerly "Nganga" | |||
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Mark often refers to doing battle with dangerous game up close. The war analogy was made by Trax on page 3 of this thread. Trax spoke of wars and then tied that to hunting. bbruce pointed out on page 3 that there is no need to post about wars, as Trax did, while discussing hunting. On page 4 of this thread it appears Saeed is now assigning Mark with the comment and the analogy of war to hunting dangerous game in this thread. Saeed, In English, the word battle has more than simply a military application. For example, we use the word to describe a fight, struggle, a difficult contest, or a controversy. In application, you have probably heard or seen the word used to describe things such as a political battle, corporate battle, and a battle of wits. In Mark’s case, he regularly uses the word to describe his hunting of dangerous game up close. Contained within his style is the ideology that dangerous game should be allowed to decide how the final moments of the hunt will conclude, not the hunter simply blasting away at a magnificent animal from a safe distance. I realize you are unfamiliar with this style of hunting by choice and do not favor it as you prefer long range shooting at dangerous game animals. Those of us who are not opposed to getting close are not mentally ill because of this preference, it is not that we think we are soldiers at war; and we are certainly not hero worshipers displaying, as you call it, teenage traits. Some of us may not mind or may even prefer to have an element of danger present in our dangerous game hunting. Nothing more, nothing less. Shawn Joyce Diizche Safari Adventures P.O. Box 1445 Lincoln, CA 95648 E-mail: shawn.joyce@diizchesafariadventures.net Cell: (916) 804-3318 Shoot Straight, Live the Dream, and Keep Turning the Pages to Your Next Adventure!™ Website- www.DiizcheSafariAdventures.com Blog- http://diizchesafari.blogspot.com/ Twitter- http://twitter.com/DiizcheSafari YouTube- http://www.youtube.com/user/shawncjoyce Facebook- http://on.fb.me/gYytdn Instagram: diizchesafari_official | |||
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Shawn, well said, mate. | |||
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So in all this time has anyone requested the same answers from DSC; as to why Mark cannot exhibit there? They may be a little easier to get answers from? A day spent in the bush is a day added to your life Hunt Australia - Website Hunt Australia - Facebook Hunt Australia - TV | |||
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Does anyone know who banned MS first? Just curious. | |||
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Hi Larry, I'm all but certain SCI gave him the chop first. | |||
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Shawn, Charles Anderson once said, "Observe which side resorts to the most vociferous name-calling and you are likely to have identified the side with the weaker argument and they know it." I regard the "hero worship", "teenage trait" comments to simply make that point, nothing more, nothing less. Mike | |||
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Good point Mike. Shawn Shawn Joyce Diizche Safari Adventures P.O. Box 1445 Lincoln, CA 95648 E-mail: shawn.joyce@diizchesafariadventures.net Cell: (916) 804-3318 Shoot Straight, Live the Dream, and Keep Turning the Pages to Your Next Adventure!™ Website- www.DiizcheSafariAdventures.com Blog- http://diizchesafari.blogspot.com/ Twitter- http://twitter.com/DiizcheSafari YouTube- http://www.youtube.com/user/shawncjoyce Facebook- http://on.fb.me/gYytdn Instagram: diizchesafari_official | |||
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OF course the term 'battle' is applied/can relate to various different circumstances outside of DG hunting. M.Sullivan refers to battle that involves potential for physical life threatening danger. When one goes to battle in war, one is also faced with potential physical life threading danger. When legal teams battle it out in court,... or when tennis players battle it out on the court, there is no such physical life threatening danger from ones opponent. One can use Sullivans dumb thrill seeking battle tactic of 'letting them choose how they want to die' .. against dumb animals, but you would be dead very soon in a battle of war, if you did same against a worthy opponent. _ MS takes action to intentionally increase the danger and risk potential when hunting DG,..and prolongs the suffering of the animal in the process. I was of the understanding that it is a PHs primary duty to reduce/minimise the potential threat-risk from an animal, and to minimise the suffering a wounded animal must endure[humanely despatch it as quick as practically possible] | |||
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That is the fundamental area of disagreement for some. Does sitting around drinking water, having a smoke, or eating a sandwich for 20 to 30 minutes before starting to track wounded DG, then shooting again at the first opportunity from afar when you eventually find the animal equal less suffering? As opposed to immediately tracking and confronting the animal and letting the confrontation unfold. Shooting again if the animal flees in the hopes of killing it or killing it on the charge. For me the answer is clear and is why I choose to hunt with Mark. Additionally, to hunt in this manner you must also be ready to accept and enjoy a level of danger in dangerous game hunting. Clearly it is not for everyone. I am not sure what war has to do with a DG hunting discussion so I really can’t comment about that aspect. Shawn Joyce Diizche Safari Adventures P.O. Box 1445 Lincoln, CA 95648 E-mail: shawn.joyce@diizchesafariadventures.net Cell: (916) 804-3318 Shoot Straight, Live the Dream, and Keep Turning the Pages to Your Next Adventure!™ Website- www.DiizcheSafariAdventures.com Blog- http://diizchesafari.blogspot.com/ Twitter- http://twitter.com/DiizcheSafari YouTube- http://www.youtube.com/user/shawncjoyce Facebook- http://on.fb.me/gYytdn Instagram: diizchesafari_official | |||
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Who is winning here and who is losing? I am not a fan of Mark Sullivan, but I believe the man has the right to live life as he chooses. Evidently from the responses that have been made, quite a few other folks have a similar attitude. Why, as a group, do hunters insist on tearing themselves apart? I hope I do not live to see it, but with discussions(?) like this one, hunters really do deserve losing the ability to hunt. I have never watched one of Mr. Sullivan's videos, but with as many folks that are members of this site openly stating that they are booking with the man and looking forward to hunting with him, I have a hard time viewing the negative attitudes as nothing more than jealousy. It is a sad fact of human existence, that popular individuals arouse the ire of the powerful. Mark Sullivan, because he is what I consider a Class A individual, is comfortable being the type person he wants to be, makes other folks uncomfortable, they want to censor him. Mark Sullivan is NOT going to stop being himself. None of us are going to stop being ourselves. What is the problem? Are we, as a group, going to start giving in to the anti's and try to make what we do more palatable to those that oppose us and openly condemn folks like Mark Sullivan? We all know or should know, that the anti's want ALL hunting stopped, nothing less. Doesn't matter whether it is Mark Sullivan's style of hunting or anyone else's style of hunting. JMO, but it looks like that "Hunters" only want to concentrate on the differences in their attitudes toward hunting, instead of looking at ways to keep hunting available for all of us. Even the rocks don't last forever. | |||
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Well, I've held out for as long as I possibly can. I've been scanning this website for the past year (mainly the hunt reports)to determine a good outfitter for a first timers trip to Africa. That's all been squared away now and am anxiously awaiting for my hunt in July. But as helpful as this site has been in determining where to go, I've never felt the need to post any words of wisdom, or jump into any silly he said/she said arguments. Until now....... I've always noticed that Mark Sullivan threads generate a lot of response and emotion. These MS discussion topics are like bad car wrecks, where I know I'm going to hate myself, but I have to slow down and look at all these posts. I honestly don't know anything about the man, other than what I've read on AR, so to satisfy my own curiosity I'm going to purchase a video or two from his collection. I'm anxious to see if I find him to be an egotistical, self-serving blow-hard that shoots his clients animals, or a magnetic, fun-loving professional hunter that produces some of the most exciting African hunt videos available on the market. So tell me Mark Sullivan supporters/ haters, which of his videos support your arguments for the man? It looks like he has a fairly extensive catalog to choose from, so I'll gladly take recommendations so I can watch and form my own opinion. I do know one thing about the man and that is he has a solid marketing strategy. A year ago I couldn't have told you who he was, but now I'm anxious to make a purchase and help fund his business! | |||
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When MS talks of "dangerous" hunting or combat metaphors, I cannot see it. What he calls dangerous, just isn't. Hunting any non human animal with a rifle is safe compared to driving in L A traffic for example, or riding a bicycle, especially without a helmet. I think he does well marketing his "dangerous" hunts to the probability impaired. | |||
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Who do you know specifically, that has sat having a sandwich for 30 min, before going after wounded game? MS knowingly takes on hopeless lousy shot clients, who have propensity to wound game and cause extended suffering . But you are OK with that.
MS is the person who decided to use the word 'battle' to describe his antics. Battle by dictionary def. equates to; combat,fight,struggle,hostile encounter Combat by dictionary def. equates to; To oppose in battle, to engage in fight or struggle MS is and considers himself a combatant,...... YES? If he does not consider himself in combat, or a combatant, then how can he claim to be engaged in battle? To be in battle with something you essentially need to be in combat [be a combatant],when you are in combat - you are at war. MS is saying he battles in a war against dumb primitive DG animals. | |||
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I guess I will repeat and elaborate slightly to help: In English, the word battle has more than simply a military application. For example, we use the word to describe a fight, struggle, a difficult contest, or a controversy. In application, you have probably heard or seen the word used to describe things such as a political battle, corporate battle, battling illness, battling cancer, and a battle of wits. You seem to be stuck on war and military use of the term so I really can’t help you sort that out beyond what I have already posted. Unrelated to what we are discussing but related to your cut and past, you do realize that combat and combat while spelled the same but used differently in English have two different uses? Shawn Joyce Diizche Safari Adventures P.O. Box 1445 Lincoln, CA 95648 E-mail: shawn.joyce@diizchesafariadventures.net Cell: (916) 804-3318 Shoot Straight, Live the Dream, and Keep Turning the Pages to Your Next Adventure!™ Website- www.DiizcheSafariAdventures.com Blog- http://diizchesafari.blogspot.com/ Twitter- http://twitter.com/DiizcheSafari YouTube- http://www.youtube.com/user/shawncjoyce Facebook- http://on.fb.me/gYytdn Instagram: diizchesafari_official | |||
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MS seems to be stuck on the notion that he is a brave hero because he instigates dangerous encounters with DG so he can do battle, and anyone who does not do the same aint as brave as him. read for yourself the words of MS:
SO its all about his manhood. There are much tougher arenas out there if one want to prove ones manhood. and the people in those arenas don't do stupid antics things like MS. Why has MS chosen the soft option of using dumb primitive animals to prove his manhood? Reminds me of a certain boxer who keeps choosing worn to retired fighters to take on, in order to convince people of what a 'champion' he is.[scoff] The boxer in question and MS, both appear to be laughing stocks in their respective communities. | |||
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Trax you really sound insecure about self. I suppose courage is also only used in the military sense from your perspective. Courage is the ability and willingness to confront fear. I think Mark's usage is spot on. Shawn Joyce Diizche Safari Adventures P.O. Box 1445 Lincoln, CA 95648 E-mail: shawn.joyce@diizchesafariadventures.net Cell: (916) 804-3318 Shoot Straight, Live the Dream, and Keep Turning the Pages to Your Next Adventure!™ Website- www.DiizcheSafariAdventures.com Blog- http://diizchesafari.blogspot.com/ Twitter- http://twitter.com/DiizcheSafari YouTube- http://www.youtube.com/user/shawncjoyce Facebook- http://on.fb.me/gYytdn Instagram: diizchesafari_official | |||
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