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Originally posted by shootaway:

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Originally posted by Bill/Oregon:
Todd, that really was a fine clip. What a tough old bull and such magnificent bosses! And praise be, I didn't see any sweeps.

Not shooting your buff right especially from a close distance,can be worst than a sweep with the safety off.

I'm sorry but I just had to save that one for posterity. George, are you serious? Miss judging the exact spot to place the bullet on a buffalo is a greater error than sweeping your PH's head with the safety off on your 458 Lott, all while YOU personally are SHIT SCARED of elephants? Please, go peddle that trash somewhere else!

Todd

That was just excellent! You handle that 577 like a toy.

I don't know how in the world you can see through that damned brush with the irons! I would have had a hard time with that. Pretty thick brush, might have hit a limb on the way, don't let anyone fool you, not even 577 bucks through brush unscathed!

Love that buffalo, lots of character in those old boys!

Job well done!

Michael

Some of the comments in this thread have me shaking my head in disbelief! Are you guys just posting to give yourself something to do? Do some of you have absolutely no idea of what buffalo hunting is about? We all know that anything shootaway has to say is probably worthless, but what about some of the other posters? Really?

Todd has taken a great OLD and TOUGH bull who didn't want to surrender. Friends, I've personally seen and been involved in buffalo hunts where multiple rounds were fired from .416Rem, .458WM and .500-.465WR into the same bull before he gave it up. I also participated in killing a bull that took 12 rounds from two large bore rifles before he died and when we opened him we found 3 separate holes in his heart. I've only had 20% of my buff drop to the shot and know others with similar percentages. Shooting one or two or 5 does not make one an experienced buffalo hunter, IMO.

Todd, again, well done on a fine buff, my friend. Sorry for the rant and I know it doesn't apply to most, but it's no wonder some choose not to post hunt reports.

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Todd has taken a great OLD and TOUGH bull who didn't want to surrender. Friends, I've personally seen and been involved in buffalo hunts where multiple rounds were fired from .416Rem, .458WM and .500-.465WR into the same bull before he gave it up. I also participated in killing a bull that took 12 rounds from two large bore rifles before he died and when we opened him we found 3 separate holes in his heart. I've only had 20% of my buff drop to the shot and know others with similar percentages. Shooting one or two or 5 does not make one an experienced buffalo hunter, IMO.

G'Almighty ain't it the truth, this is why I LOVE buffalo SO MUCH!!!!!! I had one bull in Zim, 15 yards he took a 500 Woodleigh Soft dead straight through the heart, 458 Lott, he turned and ran, hit him twice more with two Barnes solids up the rear. In open ground, running after him, I loaded, he turned on me, I gave him 3 more Barnes Solids before he decided to go down, never further than 20 yds on any shot, and then still paid the insurance up close. What a battle!

I know of, have been in, have seen, and have heard of many more like this. There is nothing on the planet as tough as old buff! I don't care if I never hunt anything else again, but I will never stop hunting buffalo! Hell, every time I pass some cows in the field around here, its all I can do to keep myself from stopping!

Michael

Good one Michael. I needed that; cows in the field for sure!!

Well done Todd!
Thanks for the Video

Todd. I certainly did enjoy it. Very exciting hunt, very fine footage and a grand old dagga boy with a lot of character. Congratulations and thank you for letting us catch a glimpse of your extraordinary hunt.

Jytte

Thanks Michael, Mike, Matt, and Jytte. I'm glad you enjoyed the clip. It was a fun hunt! As I said in my hunt report, the experience he provided made up for his smaller size, and then some. Wish they were all this exciting!

Todd,
I noticed the binoculars in the middle of your back, in the middle of the followup ... gone by the end of the followup.

Also noticed that you are very fast with the second shot and the reload.

Noticed that the blizzard after a shot was not filler from the rifle, but rather was leaves falling out of trees from the muzzle blast.

I wondered like DocM about brush deflection on the first shot, or partial brush obscuration of view, even some small amount of grass can fool you,
by shape-shifting the buffalo body "a couple of inches" or more in a look-and-shoot-fast situation.
I have famously done that to a warthog ...

Greatly appreciated the vicarious participation in this "Outer Circle Award Winning" daggaboy.
Thanks.

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Originally posted by LionHunter:


Some of the comments in this thread have me shaking my head in disbelief! Are you guys just posting to give yourself something to do? Do some of you have absolutely no idea of what buffalo hunting is about? We all know that anything shootaway has to say is probably worthless, but what about some of the other posters? Really?

Todd has taken a great OLD and TOUGH bull who didn't want to surrender. Friends, I've personally seen and been involved in buffalo hunts where multiple rounds were fired from .416Rem, .458WM and .500-.465WR into the same bull before he gave it up. I also participated in killing a bull that took 12 rounds from two large bore rifles before he died and when we opened him we found 3 separate holes in his heart. I've only had 20% of my buff drop to the shot and know others with similar percentages. Shooting one or two or 5 does not make one an experienced buffalo hunter, IMO.

Todd, again, well done on a fine buff, my friend. Sorry for the rant and I know it doesn't apply to most, but it's no wonder some choose not to post hunt reports.

Personally I do not think Todd's buffalo was that old and a broken horn is not necessarily the mark of a dagga boy. But he was easily of age and a good one to take whether for bait or not. The hunting of it was first class by all accounts which matters more to me.

Well done Todd, that buff gained some weight

AD

WTG Todd! Thanks for sharing!
I guess this is another good example that shot placement is everything!

Thanks for sharing

Todd, you make shooting that 577 look like child's play. I've met you and know that you're a big man, but you really do make it look easy and manageable. Well done bwana. Good action and good show.

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Originally posted by LionHunter:


Some of the comments in this thread have me shaking my head in disbelief! Are you guys just posting to give yourself something to do? Do some of you have absolutely no idea of what buffalo hunting is about? We all know that anything shootaway has to say is probably worthless, but what about some of the other posters? Really?

Todd has taken a great OLD and TOUGH bull who didn't want to surrender. Friends, I've personally seen and been involved in buffalo hunts where multiple rounds were fired from .416Rem, .458WM and .500-.465WR into the same bull before he gave it up. I also participated in killing a bull that took 12 rounds from two large bore rifles before he died and when we opened him we found 3 separate holes in his heart. I've only had 20% of my buff drop to the shot and know others with similar percentages. Shooting one or two or 5 does not make one an experienced buffalo hunter, IMO.

Todd, again, well done on a fine buff, my friend. Sorry for the rant and I know it doesn't apply to most, but it's no wonder some choose not to post hunt reports.

LionHunter

I think we just have to accept, without getting upset and "ranting" about it that in a post such as Todd's there will be questions asked. After all whenever a debate arises on these forums on the merits of DG guns it is often quite forcefully expounded that the only gun worth considering for DG has to be a double and the bigger the better even if one chooses a bolt gun. This continues on with the double or any DG gun definitely must use specialty bullets, and we must not use a sling for carry.

What we have seen from Todd in an honest video and honest reply to questions has been that he used 7 shots from one of the biggest and hardest hitting cartridges around to get his buffalo on the ground for keeps. The buffalo did not charge therefore there was no question of needing to “stop” the animal. The first shot was not quite where Todd would have liked it and the second, where the double is so fast, was not effective (missed).
The animal ran some distance and had to be tracked and the other 5 shots, some doubles, were not able to be put into an instant killing spot such as the head or neck. Todd used a sling, which didn’t seem to affect his carry of the double in the Jesse although he removed it for the follow up where a close in charge may have been expected.
What did I get from this: Todd had a hugely enjoyable and adrenaline pumping stalk and follow up. He handled his beloved 577 double with aplomb with as good a demonstration of reloading a double under pressure that I have seen in many a video. He used premium bullets which gave all the penetration needed but others would also have done the job, some maybe better, who knows. No harm was done to anyone although Todd acknowledges that once the old dugga boy got its adrenaline up it took a lot of lead to finish the job.

A great video, of a great guy enjoying an exciting hunt with his choice of cartridge and gun, carrying it as he likes.
I don’t get upset about comments that are not aligning with the majority.

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Originally posted by jdollar:
.... i thought nothing was better than a double for this sort of hunt.....

A double without a scope to be more precise

eagle27-

Thanks for the lecture, but I stand by my comments and KNOW for a fact that this kinda crap is why more are refusing to post their hunt reports and photos.

Wish I was back in Queenstown!

Nice job all around Todd!

Last November, I shot a buffalo with my .458 Lott (offhand, open sites, frontal angling shot at maybe 75 yards) and hit him probably about where Todd did. He ran off ~150 yards and stood broadside looking at us. I asked Alan to confirm that it was pretty good hit into the chest. His reply was to the effect of “Yea, but a buffalo can go a very long way on one lung, and if you don’t want to track him 20k’s in this heat, I suggest you shoot him a few more times”. Classic!!! And I did, ~3 more with the Lott offhand at that distance...and then asked the tracker for the Scoped .375 which I leaned against a tree, squeezed, and dropped him with a shot thru the heart.

Yep Bill, 100%! Those old buff can be tough customers at times.

Of course that's why I love to hunt them. The chance of running into a scrappy one is what keeps us coming back for more.

Congratulations!

Well done and thanks for sharing the great video.

As I said earlier Todd, the camera work was excellent.

Is this guy freelance? If so maybe I could have his contact details? I have 16 days in the Selous next year and I'm really interested in getting some of it filmed by a top guy.

Maximus,

Yes Ray does freelance work as well I do believe. PM me your contact details and I'll put you in touch with him.

Todd

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Originally posted by LionHunter:
eagle27-

Thanks for the lecture, but I stand by my comments and KNOW for a fact that this kinda crap is why more are refusing to post their hunt reports and photos.

Wish I was back in Queenstown!

Wasn't intended to be a lecture, just an observation on why we can expect differing views. After all a "forum" is a platform for discussion and we would all rue the day someone restricts this to only one point of view.

Getting pretty hot down in the Queenstown area at this time of year but it sure is s nice area to visit

Hi Maximus

JFYI- We use Ray pretty much full time and Justin who is a TOP cameraman full time. Both are available to film outside our hunts if they are not filming with us. I would be happy to send you Rays details and if he is busy and Justin is not drop me a line and I will get you guys together!

Todd- I am looking forward to getting to see the footage sometime as our systems are SO slow here that we cant watch it- but by all accounts its very good!

Cheers Buzz

Sweet hunt! I have never considered having my hunts filmed, but may have to reconsider. Congrats.

I see the filmed hunt as a viable alternative to the cost of trophy mounts. And with camera work of that quality it will be a good perspective to look back on with much more hunt reminder than a static head on the wall.

V.G. and F.D.,

I agree with you. I think a video can be almost as good as taxidermy for rekindling memories of the hunt. I'm not ready to completely give up the mounts yet, especially on the really important animals, but recording the hunt has certainly become more important to me lately.

Buzz,

I have to apologize buddy. I didn't even think it through by offering Ray's contact info without going through you. Since he and Justin, whom I concur is also an outstanding cameraman, are your employees, I think it would be best for any inquiries as to their availability should contact you and Miles first through the Charlton McCallum Safaris website. Sorry about that. I'll make sure to burn a copy of these short clips to give you at DSC.

Cheers.

You have a PM Buzz.

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Originally posted by Maximus Brutus:
You have a PM Buzz.

Maximus,
How is your Holland&Holland going?

Nice video, Todd. Thanks for sharing!

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Originally posted by LionHunter:


Some of the comments in this thread have me shaking my head in disbelief! Are you guys just posting to give yourself something to do? Do some of you have absolutely no idea of what buffalo hunting is about? We all know that anything shootaway has to say is probably worthless, but what about some of the other posters? Really?

Todd has taken a great OLD and TOUGH bull who didn't want to surrender. Friends, I've personally seen and been involved in buffalo hunts where multiple rounds were fired from .416Rem, .458WM and .500-.465WR into the same bull before he gave it up. I also participated in killing a bull that took 12 rounds from two large bore rifles before he died and when we opened him we found 3 separate holes in his heart. I've only had 20% of my buff drop to the shot and know others with similar percentages. Shooting one or two or 5 does not make one an experienced buffalo hunter, IMO.

Todd, again, well done on a fine buff, my friend. Sorry for the rant and I know it doesn't apply to most, but it's no wonder some choose not to post hunt reports.

That's an internet thing, Lionhunter.
Whatever you do, there is always an expert in a forum who knows better.