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 Yep! Those impala where surely appreciated. I had to end up buying goats for leopard baits. And like you I was there for Buff as well......never even saw one...... But we have you hooked up with a buffalo hunter now! | |||
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It gets even better. I got charged full trophy fee for an impala ram that my son wanted to keep the horns. JTEX was also being charged for the sane bait. Gotta love capitalism. They do say something about Karma though. JTEX is right. He did hook me up with a great buff hunter and had a great hunt with him last year Kodiak 2022 Namibia 2019 Namibia 2018 South Africa 2017 Alaska Brown Bear 2016 South Africa, 2016 Zimbabwe 2014 South Africa 2013 Australia 2011 Alberta 2009 Namibia 2007 Alberta 2006 | |||
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Bad Safari No! I have had some really nice ones , Really nice ones. | |||
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seeing that someone has asked, I have had eight safaris to Africa. Out of the eight, all but one was terrific. In 2015 I booked a Namibian plains game hunt with an established outfitter. The hunt was for some non trophy animals as well as my target trophy animal being a trophy eland. When booking the hunt with the owner of the safari company at the SCI show we spoke in detail about hunt and hunting ethics with the owner of the company who assured me that all animals would be spot and stalk and there would be NO shooting from the truck expected. He even stated that if he ever heard of one of his PH's wanted someone to shoot from the truck he would be fired. When I was picked up at the airport by my assigned PH, a young man named Schalk Pienaar, He informed me that he and another PH had some type of partenership in the operation. The owner affirmed this in conversation while there. No intricate details of the arrangement were discussed. On the very first evening in the safari truck, my PH, Pienaar, tried to get me to shoot an eland from the truck. I refused and from that point on the hunter/PH relationship went sharply down hill. This guys attitude was terrible in every way, deffinately NOT a people person. His attitude sucked, he was on his cell phone TEXTING constantly and in my opinion very unprofessional as well as unethical involving shooting from the vehicle. He was even texting while in very dicey loose gravel roads while traveling through the mountains between one ranch and another. I did get my eland, a nice old bull but to this day I have not and will not place it in my trophy room. To do so would only bring back bad memories of that hunt in an otherwise beautiful location. I generally do not post hunt reports but people should have knowledge of guys like him. My advice Is if your spending your hard earned cash for a nice hunt, stay away from this guy. The other hunts I have been on bring only good memories, nice trophies and rewarding friendships. | |||
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Bad safari? I've had a few but then again too few to mention. All three of my Australia buffalo hunts were wonderful. My three South Africa hunts were fine, too. Zimbabwe is another story--some good some bad, some so-so. Here is a brief rundown: P. My first hunt to Zim. He was a young PH hired by the operator who was very well known. He talked too much and let me know a few things: his hatred of the black race and how filthy they were, how much of a tip was expected, that if he knew of a large buffalo in a herd he would save that animal for a client on a more expensive safari would would tip more, and that he had no experience in the area and it would take him several days to find the water holes and animals. On the am of the 8th day he apologized for not seeing any game and asked me what I wanted to do. N. A good hunt but at the end I was told I owed $500 for the airport pickup. I was told it was in my contract. I showed the contract and it was not there. I was told the fee is in the brochures. I pulled out my brochure and it was not there. Then I was told that was a misprint and was in the new brochures. I asked to see one and it was not there. Then I was told everyone who hunts pays the fee. I agreed to avoid an argument as it was his word. When I got home I called the fellow hunters I shared a camp with. None paid the fee. Later I called those who filed a hunt report with SCI. None paid the fee. For a shitty way to make $500, the PH lost my potential business for over a dozen future hunts. My letters were unanswered on the subject, also. Matelebeland Taxidermy (good hunt but…) They put a buffalo, waterbuck and kudu, three skulls only, in the box with absolutely no packing or strapping. Nothing. Just the three skulls to rattle around in the transit from Zimbabwe to Alaska. Of course, they blamed the vet and whomever else inspected the box after it left their warehouse. Lying bastards. Thabamaka Taxidermy (good hunt but…) All seven mounts from the safari had to be discarded within two years due to hair loss and cracking. They were also mounted off center and looked odd. Taxidermy Enterprises (good hunt but…) I got a call my box of trophies was waiting and they needed my address in Amsterdam. I explained I lived in Alaska, not Amsterdam. Well, my box was delivered there and for additional shipping I could have the box forwarded to me. I told them to keep it. A few months later it arrived and I did not have to pay additional. G. I had a lot of experiences with this PH. He was the top PH known to Alaska clients. He encouraged me to shoot a lion with poor mane as it was a "5 year old adult bush lion and the mane was pulled out by a life of living in thorns." I have this on video. He lied. It was a 2 1/2 year old sub-adult. The next hunt he encouraged me to shoot a soft-bossed immature buffalo. I did not. In Tanzania the buffalo were scarce that year but when we found tracks he refused to follow them. He had clients coming in and wanted to save the buff for them. I witnessed him many times stating "we never had it in writing" to get out of hunt agreements. He then charged clients all fees up front to refund any unused money for trophies not taken. He agreed to a hippo/croc hunt with a friend in Alaska but dumped the client when he had a chance to book and elephant hunt. The hunt was a friendly agreement but when the elephant hunt came about, "We never had the hunt in writing." He dumped his booking agent who gave him his first client and loaned him money to buy his house in Bulawayo--"We never had anything in writing." When I gave him my concerns in a letter, he called to say he would not discuss any issues. We don't hunt any longer and he lost his entire client base in Alaska--he could not give a hunt away up here. The biggest kick in the ass was during an elephant hunt that was cancelled due to illness I was offered a "trophy fee only" hunt for sable when I was recovering. I went to Dingwall ranch outside of Bulawayo and shot a nice sable with my .450-400 double. The trophy fee at the time was $2000. I was billed $4500. This PH has offered "trophy fee only" hunts to others at greatly inflated trophy fees. E. This dick wad asked me to pay him $2000 for importing diet Coke to my camp for my diabetes. He was the black concession owner. My PH told him to fuck off. Evans Mkanza I'll use the name of this bag of shit. A rectal wart that grew into a person. This worthless cockroach is a joke of a PH and human being. Safari started daily after 9am, on his cell when tracking talking to his wife and/or girl friend, kept my buffalo trophy fee and it was two years until I got my buff home. Evans' safari car had to be push started every day and he told his workers to go home after my buff was killed and I could not go on looking for a hippo. He was to meet us in Vic Falls and when we arrived we had a message to go back to Bulawayo and fly to Harare as he was there. An absolute piece of shit, lying ass hole, scum drinking low life gutter rat. I hope this prick dies of AIDS after he is flayed and lowered into a vat of alcohol. I have my journals from each hunt. They make for interesting reflections--both + and -. Made some life long friends and I visit them each trip to Zim to hunt. A few bad ones have not soured me as this year I will return and in 2018 two hunts are planned in and maybe a third (or at least a vacation in Zim). Hunting in the US and even in my home state of Alaska does not do much for me. It is Africa that is special beyond words. Maybe it is the history, the game, and where double rifles are at home. Cal PS. This thread makes a good pair with the thread on PHs that go above and beyond... _______________________________ Cal Pappas, Willow, Alaska www.CalPappas.com www.CalPappas.blogspot.com 1994 Zimbabwe 1997 Zimbabwe 1998 Zimbabwe 1999 Zimbabwe 1999 Namibia, Botswana, Zambia--vacation 2000 Australia 2002 South Africa 2003 South Africa 2003 Zimbabwe 2005 South Africa 2005 Zimbabwe 2006 Tanzania 2006 Zimbabwe--vacation 2007 Zimbabwe--vacation 2008 Zimbabwe 2012 Australia 2013 South Africa 2013 Zimbabwe 2013 Australia 2016 Zimbabwe 2017 Zimbabwe 2018 South Africa 2018 Zimbabwe--vacation 2019 South Africa 2019 Botswana 2019 Zimbabwe vacation 2021 South Africa 2021 South Africa (2nd hunt a month later) ______________________________ | |||
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Now that I think back about it, I can think of another bad safari. However, it was bad for an entirely different reason(s). We went to Namibia for my one and only trip there. The wife's bags were lost along the way. They were missing for days. That is bad enough. Next, they had record cold. It was the coldest it has been is something over 100 years. It has been a long time but I want to say it was 8 degrees Fahrenheit. We were not expecting that and were woefully unprepared . The wife got extremely ill for days. She was in bad shape. We stayed at a farmhouse. They had some other clients there, all German. When the alcohol started to flow at night , the conversation took place 100% in German. So, there are 2 of us not having a clue what maybe a dozen are talking about. It was a little uncomfortable and annoying. One the German's was absolutely hammered and walked straight into a swimming pool. It was below freezing outside. I got the pool skimmer and stuck one end out. Otherwise, he may well have drowned. He was in the deep end and he had a lot of clothes on. The day we got home, both of us became violently ill. This was a bad safari of sorts but not the kind I am sure this thread is about. | |||
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..........................WOW!!!  It seems I have been very lucky after reading this thread!  ....Mac >>>===(x)===> MacD37, ...and DUGABOY1 DRSS Charter member "If I die today, I've had a life well spent, for I've been to see the Elephant, and smelled the smoke of Africa!"~ME 1982 Hands of Old Elmer Keith  | |||
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Hmmmm, Sounds like my hunt in the Omay in 2012. At least you got a shot at something. NRA Patron member | |||
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I met with about a dozen Namibian outfitters at Jagd and Hund. I didn't have a good feeling about any of them I met. None of the people I talked to were represented as the Normal good ones you guys write about. Just small jagdfarms. | |||
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How do you get that feeling, what are you looking after? this is important, we clients invests a lot of money, and I get very pissed if someone try to fool me. I`ve been at 14 safaris in RSA and Namibia, and I have not been exposed for any bad guys yet, except one time the Outfitter try to rise the thropy fees, when I showed him my list he backed out at once. SCI Official measurer. | |||
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Mind boggling. ROYAL KAFUE LTD Email - kafueroyal@gmail.com Tel/Whatsapp (00260) 975315144 Instagram - kafueroyal | |||
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Two Waters Safaris in the Karoo. This was a few years ago. They have probably gotten worse by now. They don't have a lodge or hunting camp in or near the hunting area. They have a pretentious lodge on a small lot located a stones throw from the local pub in the village of Kleinpoort on highway R75. They take multiple hunting parties at any time. On some nights you can hear the noise from the pub. You can spend up to three hours per day on your "safari" in a truck with a self centered, cigarette smoking PH, roaring up and down highway R75. The hunting areas were mostly pastures of a half section or so, along the highway, stocked/warehoused with animals. It was a real bad deal. On the bright side, I saw a lot of beautiful country between Kleinpoort and Graeff Reinette. Oh yes. At the end of the hunt the owner, Brian Seady tried the bait and switch on the prices. I subsequently found out, in the years to follow that they have a bad reputation for what I have described. Beware! IHMSA BC Provincial Champion and Perfect 40 Score, Unlimited Category, AAA Class. | |||
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Any used car buying feelings and I am gone. | |||
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I had one of my best safaris and my worst safari with the same operator. The operator was HHK, Graham Hingeston. There is no way in hell that I would hunt with HHK, even if they gave me the hunt. | |||
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Had a friend bring his teenage son here to shoot. His son brought another friend with him. While in the shooting room, the kid started using his cell phone, texting. I said "put that thing away" He answered "I am updating my Facebook page!", and continued texting. I said "If you don't put that thing away, it will be used as a target in a minute!" My friend said "He is not kidding either!" The phone suddenly disappeared into his pocket, and that was the end of it.  | |||
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One item I forgot to wrtie in my report was hunting with G, he spent 5 days of my safari burning brush to "find the buffalo and see the tracks." I asked him to give me additional days on my hunt, then or in the future, to make up for the time. The reply was, "No, I can't do that." We don't hunt any longer. Cal _______________________________ Cal Pappas, Willow, Alaska www.CalPappas.com www.CalPappas.blogspot.com 1994 Zimbabwe 1997 Zimbabwe 1998 Zimbabwe 1999 Zimbabwe 1999 Namibia, Botswana, Zambia--vacation 2000 Australia 2002 South Africa 2003 South Africa 2003 Zimbabwe 2005 South Africa 2005 Zimbabwe 2006 Tanzania 2006 Zimbabwe--vacation 2007 Zimbabwe--vacation 2008 Zimbabwe 2012 Australia 2013 South Africa 2013 Zimbabwe 2013 Australia 2016 Zimbabwe 2017 Zimbabwe 2018 South Africa 2018 Zimbabwe--vacation 2019 South Africa 2019 Botswana 2019 Zimbabwe vacation 2021 South Africa 2021 South Africa (2nd hunt a month later) ______________________________ | |||
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This guy really gets your vocab going hey Cal ? lol. | |||
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. We have been blessed and lucky with over 50 plus Africa and other hunts behind us and only two disappointments (other then not finding 3 animals due to our poor shooting) - one was a PH that had become lazy over the years that we knew him and on the last hunt with him he only wanted to stalk the roads and paths and would not guide us onto game that we could clearly see on the far mountain slopes as he said it would be too difficult for the trackers / skinners to extract. It was a short trip with him. We took a few animals and were happy but had we had a day or two longer with him the sparks would have flown! - the second was in Zambia on a short and very successful hunt in 2015 where I managed to take in 2 bottles of fantastic top quality red wine and the PH succeeded in holding on to a whole bottle for himself and drinking it all himself !!!! Next time we hunt with him - which we will - we know that we need to take 6 bottles !!!!  Charlie . "Up the ladders and down the snakes!" | |||
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With my kids I would only go on a hunt with someone I had been with before. I was in a gun shop and the guy had a lot of dead African things on the wall. He was telling me he had a lion and an elephant and a couple of buffalo that didn't fit and that they were at the house. He got kind of emotional and he said "I went on that hunt with my son, and the PH was about 20-23 and he didn't want my son to shoot any of the big five". He said that his son was 15, and that it was more about spending time with his son, than it was him killing stuff. The PH basically told him the son could only shoot antelope, and that it was the family's first trip to Africa. Even though they killed 15-20 animals, in I think Zimbabwe, and had a hell of a big safari. They pass their wants and needs onto the professional hunter when they arrived. So the PH figured he'd leverage them the way he wanted, and he had the dad shoot all the dangerous game. The guy said it soiled his entire African experience and he wasn't really interested in going back. The funniest thing is they had never been anywhere in the world beyond New England and this one trip to Zimbabwe. I saw a video recently by a well known long range rifle maker, where he claimed that he didn't know what the terrain was like when he booked the hunt. I can't imagine putting the kind of money involved in making a long range hunting dvd on Africa up, and not doing another 30 minutes worth of research to find out if the biotope will work for long range shooting. I think the biggest sin you can have as a client is a failure to do your own research. The 2nd biggest sin is to have never travelled outside Germany, Spain, America, Canada, Australia, Britain whatever and not have any formal experience in dealing with people of another culture. I am talking about our fellow Europeans decendents who have their own culture in other places. I can't imagine stepping off the airplane for a big dollar hunt without having ever traveled around the world. I think you are doing yourself a big disservice is you don't gain a little travel experience first. If you are a kid travelling with your parents you'll get it. | |||
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Out of six safaris I haven't had a bad hunt but I had one bad PH. After we left we found out he was going through some personal problems during our hunt. He was arrogant, and extremely rude to my wife. We would go days without him saying a word. I cut the hunt short a day because it was going to get nasty if I had to listen to his mouth for one more day. The hunting was great and he did work to get us our critters but he was a jerk the whole trip. He should have bowed out and taken care of the family problem rather than taking it out on us. Bad decision on his part. Jerry Huffaker State, National and World Champion Taxidermist | |||
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I hunted with Martin Pieters in Omay for buffalo. Never saw a mature bull. Ran out of fresh vegetables halfway through hunt. Took wife, daughter and sister. Promised a vehicle for observer use but the vehicle went to other camp after the first day. Very specific beforehand about girls desire to fish on Kariba . They fished for 20 minutes and then spent the rest of trip in camp doing jigsaw puzzles. Pieters kept my prepaid buffalo trophy fee. I am not surprised df06 and shoulderman had similar experiences with Martin Pieters. Two years later I saved up to return to Africa and was fortunate to hunt with Corris Ferreira Track-A-Hunt Safaris. Shot a nice buff but more importantly, I learned how a hunt should really be conducted. Corris's hospitality was unbelievable. So yes, I have been on a bad safari and know the difference. | |||
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I shot a nice ellie back in 2003 (60lb a side), and the Outfitter started talking about a higher trophy fee, but the PH (Kirk Mason) set him pretty straight as my contract specifically stated the original fee was for any size tusker. BH63 Hunting buff is better than sex! | |||
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I have only been on 4 safaries. My second one was less than idea and there is a report file here on AR. Irronically, my PH was to have been Hartley Combrink, the some one mentioned by dogcat, but for some reason, by PH was Leslie Long, or as i later came to refer to him as Lazy Leslie. I was never given a satisfactory answer as to why Hartley was not available. | |||
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Ha ha. Indeed that was a very good wine mate. And good company. My round next time. ROYAL KAFUE LTD Email - kafueroyal@gmail.com Tel/Whatsapp (00260) 975315144 Instagram - kafueroyal | |||
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