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I know that some concessions or hunting areas have a set quota of number of animals of each type that can be taken and that the way it is done probably differs by country. If that quota is reached prior to the end of the season, and hunters are still scheduled to arrive and hunt, what obligation, if any, does the PH and/or outfitter have to notify those hunters yet to arrive that those animals will not be available? How can a hunter that is scheduled to hunt later in the season ensure the animals he desires to hunt are available? Thanks JD | ||
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Specifically list all animals on your wish list in the contract along with the Trophy Fee for each animal. Regards, Terry  Msasi haogopi mwiba [A hunter is not afraid of thorns] | |||
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Thanks Terry, Having the animals you desire to hunt on your contract does not guarantee they will be available when you arrive if earlier hunters have taken all that are allowed by quota. Do outfitters/PH's normally notify hunters if this occurs? Has anyone run into this situation? JD | |||
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If you contract for certain animals, then a reputable outfitter should reserve that quota for you. If they have 5 sable on quota, then the outfitter should only sell 5 hunts for sable for that year (one of which should be available when you arrive). If you contract for a sable and when you show up for your hunt, the outfitter tells you there are no more sable on quota, then I would get another outfitter. If you take a late-season discount hunt that you hadn't contracted for in advance, then you will have to take what quota remains. Regards, Terry Msasi haogopi mwiba [A hunter is not afraid of thorns] | |||
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Terry Do you think that is the way it happens? If they think the success rate is 80% they will sell an extra one figutring that someone will miss. It happens all the time in Alaska and Canada for Bears. The mark of honesty is if they tell you. | |||
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Mickey, You are probably correct. They might sell 6 sable thinking at least one hunter won't get his. But boy would I throw a fit if I was sold a sable and upon arrival I am told that no sable quota is available. I wonder if they would even tell me or just run me around looking for sable but never finding one? That's one reason I always ask to look at the paperwork just to see what is actually on quota. I suspect, on less successful animals (like the cats) that the quota probably is oversold. Regards, Terry Msasi haogopi mwiba [A hunter is not afraid of thorns] | |||
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Do you ask to see the current quota paperwork? I guess I am asking what paperwork you ask to see and how you know if they are showing you a current list of whats available? | |||
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Gentlemen, Quota is not generally a problem with a reputable PH. In my own experience, I found the lack of shootable animals to be more of a problem than having one on quota. For a number of years, I hunted in Zimbabwe at the end of the season, and my PH kindly allowed me to shoot whatever animals were left on his license for that year. In some areas, we had a lot of animals we could shoot, as some of the hunters who came before us, were incapable of doing much hunting on foot. They went home empty handed. Despite the fact the animals were there, and the quota was there. | |||
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In both Tanzania and Zimbabwe the PH will have your hunting license, it will have your name on it and the animals that you have on license. So it is not the overall quota for the concession, but the animals that you specifically have on license. This applies to government hunting areas, not sure about all private areas (but at Lemco - a private ranch concession in Zimbabwe, I had a license with the specific animals listed). Regards, Terry Msasi haogopi mwiba [A hunter is not afraid of thorns] | |||
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Last time I hunted with Russ Broom he wouldnt sell a lion hunt in his tribal areas because he knew of the chances of getting one. Instead as he had two males on quota they went first come first serve to those whos saw them and agreed on the trophy fee. As it so happened Ive seen lions on every trip with him! | |||
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When I was in Chewore South this Oct the quota book was there to read. In fact the first thing Richard Tabor did when we got there was to read through to see what left over quota there might be, in addition, of course, to my reserved quota. Got to shoot a tuskless cow and a cow buff that way. Also got to hunt lion too, but did not shoot one. But the book was kept there and kept current too. Other Chewore South quota owned by one of the other two outfitters, they split the quota at the beginning of each season, who have camps there was known too but if we were intrested it took confirmation that they hadn't sold it and that we could have their quota. Shot a chobie bushbuck on one of the other camps' quota. JPK  Free 500grains | |||
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JD If they already shot the quota before you arrived there is a big problem. In my opinion there would be no excuse for that unless the quota was changed by the government in mid season and it does happen. Mark MARK H. YOUNG MARK'S EXCLUSIVE ADVENTURES 7094 Oakleigh Dr. Las Vegas, NV 89110 Office 702-848-1693 Cell, Whats App, Signal 307-250-1156 PREFERRED E-mail markttc@msn.com Website: myexclusiveadventures.com Skype: markhyhunter Check us out on https://www.facebook.com/pages...ures/627027353990716 | |||
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If the government reduces the quota mid season, then the safari company should let the client know so that he can stay home rather than spending money on a safari where the animal the client wants is no longer on quota. | |||
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I think if you book with a reputable outfitter then this should be a non-issue. I think most experienced PH's will always have options when things go bad. ****************************************************************** R. Lee Ermey: "The deadliest weapon in the world is a Marine and his rifle." ****************************************************************** We're going to be "gifted" with a health care plan we are forced to purchase and fined if we don't, Which purportedly covers at least ten million more people, without adding a single new doctor, but provides for 16,000 new IRS agents, written by a committee whose chairman says he doesn't understand it, passed by a Congress that didn't read it but exempted themselves from it, and signed by a President, with funding administered by a treasury chief who didn't pay his taxes, for which we'll be taxed for four years before any benefits take effect, by a government which has already bankrupted Social Security and Medicare, all to be overseen by a surgeon general who is obese, and financed by a country that's broke!!!!! 'What the hell could possibly go wrong?' | |||
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The question does not address that on any hunt there are first tier (for German speakers-no pun intented), second tier and even third tier animals on a major hunt. If you are hunting cats, it is primarily the cat(s), and then whatever else you can take as bait or otherwise. After the cats are finished, there are the other high priority animals you want to take. It would be unconscionable for a outfitter to have you come over for a cat hunt without quota; however, if your license had sable or roan and they were shot out, is it material? It might be and it might not be. I'd be willing to bet that most outfitters would not tell you about the third tier animals, and many would not tell you about the second tier animals. Kudude | |||
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