Current Unrest In South Africa on Jailing of Zuma

13 July 2021, 06:54

Baker458

What is your outfitter telling you? I doubt that your outfitter would knowingly put you in a dangerous situation... Generally that's bad for business.

Aside from that: Is there any unrest in the East Cape? Are you overnighting inside the JNB airport? You're going to be spending your time in a rural area, and simply passing through 2 airports. So if nothing bad has happened in the East Cape, this is just me personally but I'd go hunting.

I was just in Zim last month. I had a great time & I'm going back in Aug, and just about to buy tickets through JNB to Bulawayo. I haven't heard of a problem at the airport, fastest route so I'm going that way.

You take a minor chance crossing the street. Sometimes you go somewhere that should be totally safe, and it goes sideways. I'm thinking of a particular country music festival in Vegas... Meanwhile, the week I spent in Chicago about 5 years ago was absolutely lovely.

If there has been serious unrest in the East Cape or your outfitter is at all "iffy" then they should push your dates back & let you come when it looks good.

13 July 2021, 07:16

crbutler

I just arrived at J-burg heading to Zim.

The place is dead- but then it’s 0400.

13 July 2021, 07:30

TallCrow

Appreciate the responses. Will talk to the outfitter again tomorrow but concern is not so much the Eastern Cape where they are so more insight on JNB and surrounding area is more insightful from folks here reporting first hand insight. As stated above, traveling through a couple of airports should not be a concern which is my current thinking as well. Currently scheduled to overnight at Afton…considering changing that to City Lodge. Also talking to some local business contacts in Johannesburg in the morning so I’ll report what I hear from them for others benefit.

13 July 2021, 14:17

fairgame

https://www.news24.com/news24/...laces/eastern%20cape

13 July 2021, 17:57

Aspen Hill Adventures

Friends in a Durban suburb (south coast) tell me the police and army is overwhelmed, streets and roads are closed and lots of buildings, etc are burning. Gunfire and explosions going on all over. They are terrified.

13 July 2021, 18:02

bwanajay

quote:
I just arrived at J-burg heading to Zim.

Good luck and good hunting!

13 July 2021, 18:13

Capt.Purvis

Problem is how far you have to dive from Jburge to Safari camp. You will be fine in the bush but not so sure about traveling on highways. RSA does not have laws like the castle doctrine to protect you when your life is in danger. I was hunting near Rustenburg in 2012 during the Marikana massacre and riots. I knew things were getting real when other white families came to the camp to stay at night because the safari lodges are more secure. I refused to let them lock my guns in the safe at night until my friend explained that it was not about me protecting myself but protecting their families. His reason was because they will get the gun and use to kill us. That is standard SAP at many safari camps. Lock everything up and wait it out. Also remember that Press always makes it look worst than it is. My family was freaking out back then and I had no issues. I would still go on your hunt but no way in hell would I take my wife and kids.

13 July 2021, 19:52

crane

Have not seen a single report in the western press. Am I missing something or is it being ignored?

13 July 2021, 20:22

reddy375

And if they lock up the guns, then they cant get to them after they kill or beat you all up? Mind boggling logic!

quote:
Originally posted by Capt.Purvis:
Problem is how far you have to dive from Jburge to Safari camp. You will be fine in the bush but not so sure about traveling on highways. RSA does not have laws like the castle doctrine to protect you when your life is in danger. I was hunting near Rustenburg in 2012 during the Marikana massacre and riots. I knew things were getting real when other white families came to the camp to stay at night because the safari lodges are more secure. I refused to let them lock my guns in the safe at night until my friend explained that it was not about me protecting myself but protecting their families. His reason was because they will get the gun and use to kill us. That is standard SAP at many safari camps. Lock everything up and wait it out. Also remember that Press always makes it look worst than it is. My family was freaking out back then and I had no issues. I would still go on your hunt but no way in hell would I take my wife and kids.

13 July 2021, 21:25

Karoo

The Eastern Cape is quite safe at present. Flying into Joburg and straight to the hunting area should be absolutely fine.
Incidentally, the jailing of Zuma was just a catalyst for criminal looting.

13 July 2021, 23:07

Russ Gould

The problem is a lot of the highways are blocked. Same thing happened in the W Cape about a year ago. I would not count on this staying confined to KZN and Gauteng (which is probably more than half the population). It's a political fist fight combined with a criminal slug fest.

If the organizers of this mess want to disrupt the country, OR Tambo is a target. Ever seen a jumbo jet burn?

I would also not discount a military coup.

13 July 2021, 23:12

Russ Gould

BBC has covered it. You won't see much in the USA, the media are too political. They only cover events that suit their narrative. Mandela and the ANC are Obama's friends. Biden even went there to kiss Mandela's ring .. but he got arrested!

Now if the riots had taken place 40 years ago, they would be covering them 24x7.

14 July 2021, 01:12

Capt.Purvis

Tucker is covering.
RSA current riots

I made a call today. It is a lot of violence throughout Natal especially big cities like Durban. Going to be a long night. North West Province seems to be fine but do not spend the day shopping in Jburge. This will be much different then past riots if Army does not get involved. Some of the SAP have ran out of ammo and were getting rounds from private citizens. It will not be good if Zuma supporters go into high income neighborhoods. His supporters are getting bused in to certain areas.
Indians have burned down one of the big slums near Durban. Media is not covering all of the videos. Some of you may remember what Zuma has said about whites in the past. A buddy shared a voice text that was sent from one farmer to another neighboring farmer and the last thing he said was don't miss. Thoughts and prayers are with all of our South African friends.

14 July 2021, 03:25

DCS Member

quote:
Originally posted by Capt.Purvis:
Tucker is covering.
RSA current riots

I made a call today. It is a lot of violence throughout Natal especially big cities like Durban. Going to be a long night. North West Province seems to be fine but do not spend the day shopping in Jburge. This will be much different then past riots if Army does not get involved. Some of the SAP have ran out of ammo and were getting rounds from private citizens. It will not be good if Zuma supporters go into high income neighborhoods. His supporters are getting bused in to certain areas.
Indians have burned down one of the big slums near Durban. Media is not covering all of the videos. Some of you may remember what Zuma has said about whites in the past. A buddy shared a voice text that was sent from one farmer to another neighboring farmer and the last thing he said was don't miss. Thoughts and prayers are with all of our South African friends.

Yes, I was exchanging messages with a guy in the EC. His neighbor was in a bad mess and he was heading to assist.

14 July 2021, 03:43

AXEL19

quote:
Originally posted by reddy375:
And if they lock up the guns, then they cant get to them after they kill or beat you all up? Mind boggling logic!

quote:
Originally posted by Capt.Purvis:
Problem is how far you have to dive from Jburge to Safari camp. You will be fine in the bush but not so sure about traveling on highways. RSA does not have laws like the castle doctrine to protect you when your life is in danger. I was hunting near Rustenburg in 2012 during the Marikana massacre and riots. I knew things were getting real when other white families came to the camp to stay at night because the safari lodges are more secure. I refused to let them lock my guns in the safe at night until my friend explained that it was not about me protecting myself but protecting their families. His reason was because they will get the gun and use to kill us. That is standard SAP at many safari camps. Lock everything up and wait it out. Also remember that Press always makes it look worst than it is. My family was freaking out back then and I had no issues. I would still go on your hunt but no way in hell would I take my wife and kids.

I don't understand this either. What was the plan? To at least run into the bush and hide until they left or stay and beg not to be bludgeoned to death and hope for the best?

14 July 2021, 04:14

Bwana338

I was chatting with a PH in Durban today. He has clients that have arrived and some additional hunters driving on Wednesday. Come Friday they plan to be in the field to start hunting.

There is burning and looting of grocery, liquor, hardware, electronic stores. There will be little food available in stores that have survived the looting in a day or two.

Some roads are blocked, other are not. The military (far too few from what numbers that was put out) has been mobilized to try and stop the looting. That will be interesting to follow.

14 July 2021, 05:18

gunslinger55

Pass for now

14 July 2021, 06:33

Biebs

quote:
Pass for now

For sure....not worth it. I'll hunt Alaska and Canada until Africa get back to normal, if that ever happens.

14 July 2021, 06:54

Capt.Purvis

quote:
Originally posted by AXEL19:
quote:
Originally posted by reddy375:
And if they lock up the guns, then they cant get to them after they kill or beat you all up? Mind boggling logic!

quote:
Originally posted by Capt.Purvis:
Problem is how far you have to dive from Jburge to Safari camp. You will be fine in the bush but not so sure about traveling on highways. RSA does not have laws like the castle doctrine to protect you when your life is in danger. I was hunting near Rustenburg in 2012 during the Marikana massacre and riots. I knew things were getting real when other white families came to the camp to stay at night because the safari lodges are more secure. I refused to let them lock my guns in the safe at night until my friend explained that it was not about me protecting myself but protecting their families. His reason was because they will get the gun and use to kill us. That is standard SAP at many safari camps. Lock everything up and wait it out. Also remember that Press always makes it look worst than it is. My family was freaking out back then and I had no issues. I would still go on your hunt but no way in hell would I take my wife and kids.

I don't understand this either. What was the plan? To at least run into the bush and hide until they left or stay and beg not to be bludgeoned to death and hope for the best?

At the time, it was not my choice for a plan of defense. My room was an outbuilding from the main part of the lodge. Their fear was they would attack that building first and use my guns against them. You also have to consider nervous American clients with loaded guns. You do not want them shooting the staff as they are bringing them their morning coffee. I am certain that someone would of used our guns for defense if the situation intensified. This place also had an armed response security service. Army and Police were all over those rioters in 2012. Not the case with this situation.

https://www.foxnews.com/world/...gle-looting-violence

14 July 2021, 07:15

Scott Powell

It’s not getting to camp that would worry me.. It’s getting back to the airport and out of the country if things got worse…

14 July 2021, 07:19

vvreddy

https://www.foxnews.com/world/...gle-looting-violence

14 July 2021, 07:25

Capt.Purvis

Truckers are going to stop delivering coal to power plants due to danger on highway. No power, booze or food supply. Hope you like eating pap. Is the N1 and N4 even open? Most dangerous thing about hunting in Africa is speeding in the buggy with your PH. Getting chased down dusty roads by pissed off members of the ANC would make a memorable trip.

14 July 2021, 09:04

Saeed

quote:
Originally posted by Scott Powell:
It’s not getting to camp that would worry me.. It’s getting back to the airport and out of the country if things got worse…

Exactly!

That my worst fear in a situation like this.

Add COVID changing uncertainty.

14 July 2021, 09:04

Texas Blue Devil

quote:
Originally posted by Scott Powell:
It’s not getting to camp that would worry me.. It’s getting back to the airport and out of the country if things got worse…

EXACTLY!!!!

14 July 2021, 09:23

Saeed

Troubles in South Africa

14 July 2021, 10:16

KMG Hunting Safaris

quote:
Originally posted by Baker458:
What is your outfitter telling you? I doubt that your outfitter would knowingly put you in a dangerous situation... Generally that's bad for business.

Aside from that: Is there any unrest in the East Cape? Are you overnighting inside the JNB airport? You're going to be spending your time in a rural area, and simply passing through 2 airports. So if nothing bad has happened in the East Cape, this is just me personally but I'd go hunting.

I was just in Zim last month. I had a great time & I'm going back in Aug, and just about to buy tickets through JNB to Bulawayo. I haven't heard of a problem at the airport, fastest route so I'm going that way.

You take a minor chance crossing the street. Sometimes you go somewhere that should be totally safe, and it goes sideways. I'm thinking of a particular country music festival in Vegas... Meanwhile, the week I spent in Chicago about 5 years ago was absolutely lovely.

If there has been serious unrest in the East Cape or your outfitter is at all "iffy" then they should push your dates back & let you come when it looks good.

Got back from a safari yesterday. Dropped my tracker off in his area. ( Shantytown). Dropped my hunters off. Apart from seeing soldiers on the ground, I didn't see anything different in the EC.

14 July 2021, 13:42

Hunt Inter

quote:
Originally posted by crane:
Have not seen a single report in the western press. Am I missing something or is it being ignored?

Europe for example won’t make any deal out of it as would be “racist” and don’t want repeat of the blm shite about George Floyd

14 July 2021, 13:51

Saeed

The West created this.

Now they pretend it does not exists.

What is even worse, they are tolerating the creation of new racism in their own countries.

You are guilty by the color of your skin!

14 July 2021, 15:32

Capt.Purvis

Everyone wants to always point out race. That is fine but at some point people have to take accountability for the actions of their race.

When we get a hurricane and loose power on the East coast, who is the first race group to start busting windows and looting?

Last summer, who was doing the majority of the looting throughout the cites in America?

Who do you currently see looting in South Africa?

It does not take a high IQ to understand why one race has the highest percentage of incarceration.

14 July 2021, 16:08

AXEL19

quote:
Originally posted by Saeed:
The West created this.

Now they pretend it does not exists.

What is even worse, they are tolerating the creation of new racism in their own countries.

You are guilty by the color of your skin!

????

14 July 2021, 16:20

ledvm

quote:
Originally posted by Capt.Purvis:
Everyone wants to always point out race. That is fine but at some point people have to take accountability for the actions of their race.

When we get a hurricane and loose power on the East coast, who is the first race group to start busting windows and looting?

Last summer, who was doing the majority of the looting throughout the cites in America?

Who do you currently see looting in South Africa?

It does not take a high IQ to understand why one race has the highest percentage of incarceration.

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14 July 2021, 16:23

chuckmaxman

quote:
Originally posted by Capt.Purvis:
Everyone wants to always point out race. That is fine but at some point people have to take accountability for the actions of their race.

When we get a hurricane and loose power on the East coast, who is the first race group to start busting windows and looting?

Last summer, who was doing the majority of the looting throughout the cites in America?

Who do you currently see looting in South Africa?

It does not take a high IQ to understand why one race has the highest percentage of incarceration.

You speak the truth!

14 July 2021, 19:54

jens poulsen

quote:
Originally posted by Capt.Purvis:
Everyone wants to always point out race. That is fine but at some point people have to take accountability for the actions of their race.

When we get a hurricane and loose power on the East coast, who is the first race group to start busting windows and looting?

Last summer, who was doing the majority of the looting throughout the cites in America?

Who do you currently see looting in South Africa?

It does not take a high IQ to understand why one race has the highest percentage of incarceration.

The mindset of the black man has never broad him far.

14 July 2021, 20:14

AnotherAZWriter

quote:
Originally posted by Russ Gould:
BBC has covered it. You won't see much in the USA, the media are too political. They only cover events that suit their narrative. Mandela and the ANC are Obama's friends. Biden even went there to kiss Mandela's ring .. but he got arrested!

Now if the riots had taken place 40 years ago, they would be covering them 24x7.

Photo on the front page of today's WSJ.