This just in: The Mminister of Natural Resources and Tourism, through the Wildlife Department, has cancelled ALL lion and ostrich quota in the country until further notice. There will be a review of the quotas for these species! no other reason has been given

Hopefully the reviewed quota will be circulated within 48 hours but one never knows in Africa.

Current clients on safari in Tanzania CANNOT hunt a lion at this time. Word is that quotas will be reduced but hunitng of lion will be allowed to continue.

If I hear of any further development i will post it here.

Reetrever and others, this is not a prank like SBT pulled.

I already have paid for my all my big animals..and have my tags and permits..


Mike

Mike,

I am not pulling your leg. Every single hunting client in the bush at the moment with lion permits CANNOT shoot a lion until further notice - or at least does so at their own risk.

I truly believe that revised quotas will be effective by the time your hunt starts so you should not be affected but consider this: it is the 18th of July which means those that started hunting 1st July for 21 days have 2 1/2 days of hunting to go. If they have not already shot their lion, they in all probability will be working around some "hot" baits. Should a shootable lion come to bait during this time - i.e. before the revised quota is introduced - they will not be allowed to pull the trigger i.e. they will go home without one....

I wonder is trip insurance would cover such a thing, i.e., the primary purpose of a hunt is lion.... and gov't action makes such impossible?

Anyone know the answer.

As to Retreever/Mike: You've been too lucky so far to have some temporary blip worry you. You'll get your lion! .... and, of course, an elephant and leopard, too. I worry about the ostrich, though!

So.....if I am sitting in the bush right now, on a hot lion bait, PAYING DG DAILY RATES, and now I cannot shoot a lion do I revert back to the lower cost plains game daily rates until this is resolved ?

Why should one pay DG rates when he cannot shoot DG ?

Boy, this is going to play hell with hunters currently in the bush, just landing in TZ or getting ready to board the plane..........JJ

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Originally posted by retreever:
I already have paid for my all my big animals..and have my tags and permits..


Mike

Nonetheless, a fresh order from the game department supercedes any license or tag already paid for. This happened last year with PAC elephants in Mozambique. Those were elephants on quota, which had already been paid for by both the outfitter and the clients. Nonetheless, the game department order stopping the hunt stops the hunt.

I bet there is a ton of pissed off Ostrich hunters out there.

Welcome to Africa.

JJ

Being that we are talking about Tanzania there really isn't a plains game rate to go back to as in Zimbabwe. If you choose to hunt lion in Tanzania you need to have a 21 day license which allows you the opportunity to hunt quite a variety of non-dangerous game animals in addition to DG. A lot of these animals on the 21 day license are not allowed on the 7 or 14 day license. So if in the unfortunate case a hunter has not shot his lion during this closure but still wants to hunt leopard, lesser kudu, gerenuk or his 3rd buff etc. the cost of the hunt probably will not go down.

Its hard to say how individual hunting companies will handle this but at this point it is premature to come up with any scenarios as we don't have a clue what effect if any this will have on this years safaris. As for our company the earlier reduction in quota had zero effect on us and I would hope for the same with the lion quota. We don't try to shoot our full quota anyway effectively giving us a buffer against something like this.

Mark

Mr. Young, I'll admit I have never been to Africa hunting but I hope to someday. But I have heard guys talk about going to hunt only lions, they did not care about anything else, just the lions. So what about the guyswho only want lions? I don't understand your comment about how you don't know how this will effect this years hunts, isn't the ban in effect now ? All of this years hunts are being affected now arn't they ?

Is this real or are you guys just trying to mess with Retreever?

I would really appreciate it if you could let me know. I need to wtite a check today for $46,000 for the balance of my daily rates. If this is true, I am not sure I want to do it. I hate to cancel my safari if this is a joke.

Thank you.

Unfortunately, I have been able to verify that it is true. The Tanzania Hunting Operators Association is hopeful that it will only be for a few days.

The Hunting Report is sending out an e mail extra on this.

beachbum,

Until we know how this all will shake out there really is no concrete answer to any of your questions. This could be a blip on the radar screen or something more serious. There really is no point in creating worse case scenarios with the minimal amount of info we have.

Mark

FROM THE HUNTING REPORT

If you are on your way to Tanzania to hunt lion, you should know that lion hunting has been put on temporary hold while the Tanzanian Wildlife Department and the Ministry of Natural Resources and Tourism re-evaluate the lion quota for this season. While this may amount to little more than a short-term postponement of lion hunting, we wouldn't be doing our job if we did not tell you about it.

We learned of the temporary closure from Mohamed Abdulkadir, secretary general of the Tanzania Hunting Operators Association (TAHOA), who was trying to confirm details long-distance when we spoke with him. Abdulkadir said TAHOA planned to protest the quota changes, stating that operators had already sold hunts based on the quotas approved prior to the season opener and already had clients in the field.


Officials in the Ministry of Natural Resources and Tourism and the Department of Wildlife were not available for comment when we called. However, we did reach Gerard Pasanisi, president of TAHOA, who told us from France that he did not consider the government's move on lion a closure of hunting. He referred to it as a "delay" and went on to predict a resolution of the matter within a few days. Other sources, who spoke on condition of anonymity, said changes in lion quotas would affect only some operators. We are following this matter closely and will file another bulletin as soon as new information is available. - Barbara Crown.

I wonder if this is conservation related or dollars related? I would hate to think that our good friends in the Tanz government may be trying to up the ante on permits (extort) more money from hunters.

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I bet there is a ton of pissed off Ostrich hunters out there.

I can't believe it! I can't hunt an Ostrich!
Wait a minute, I'm not going to Tanzania!

Hey Mike!

I have a feeling everything will work out for you!

Got get'em!!!!!!!!!

Unconfirmed rumors that the quota for lion HAS BEEN re-instated today. Outfitters will be receiving their letters to this effect today. Will keep you posted when it happens.

No one is sure what caused this momentary glich. The important thing is that having lasted for no more than 24 hours, I suspect no one was affected by it.

IT IS NOW OFFICIAL. LION HUNTING TO CONTINUE. NO QUOTA REVIEW HAS BEEN DONE AS FAR AS I KNOW.

I think some gov't minion read SBT's post about anthrax and knee-jerked? As an experiment as to whether Tanzanian officials read AR:

Today, the Tanzanian Minister of Natural Resources and Tourism announced that JudgeG, a really wonderful fellow, has been granted a lifetime license to hunt anywhere he so wishes in the country. All safari companies are to honor this "license" and take him hunting for any species he desires on a no-cost basis to him with trophy fees, charter, food, drink, transportation and dip and pack included. SBT, an AR member and notorious trickster from Jackson Hole Wyoming will be responsible for gratuities and providing quality cigars.... that is, unless Retreever had him taxidermed and placed him on the wall to forever stare at a picture of Hillary Clinton naked.

Now, when I receive my license, we'll know that Scott was to blame.


Good for you fellows that it would have been effected!

Happy hunting!

Retreever, " Please, Mr. Postman! Deliver the letter, the sooner, the better."

Former Mayor calls President , lion hunting is back on...

Mike

3 days till the Selous

Come on Mike. Like you weren't sweating it! Why else are you up at 5:00 a.m.?

Now, relieved, go back to bed and sleep some!

Sweating?!?!?!

I have to admit that if I was inmikes, (or anyone elses similar shoes) then I would be climbiing the walls with worry!!

Anyway given that I'm not going on Safri for the next year or so I don't have to worryabout it!!

Good luck on the hunt Mike, and here's to the big lion that wasn't shot last week and you're gonna get nbetween your leopard and Ellie!!

Where are you gonna get time to shoot them three Bufff????

Rgds,

FB

Does this mean I can finally get that ostrich I always dreamed of!

Hey Judge, I'd be glad to provide the cigars as long as I'm there to hand them over to you!

Mike, if I can have any input, I'd prefer that you use Nature's Design in Cody, WY for the taxidermy. They do really good work.

Having him mounted seems fair after what was done nto retriever but condemming him to an eternity starring at hilary seems-well somehow a bit left of harsh!

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Originally posted by samwise:
Having him mounted seems fair after what was done nto retriever but condemming him to an eternity starring at hilary seems-well somehow a bit left of harsh!

Harsh, hell that would be worse than being hung with a gold rope!

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Originally posted by Widowmaker416:
Does this mean I can finally get that ostrich I always dreamed of!

You can now take a "bull" ostrich - at least a 40" inch spread and 8 point!!!!!

The Hillary thing is far too lenient.

Mike, have him mounted mounting Janet Reno. A hell of a way to spend eternity!

Damn Jim, your harsh! Care to come serve on one of our WY juries?

Sure! Bring the guilty bastard in for his fair trial!

Tanzania Reopens Lion Hunting
(posted July 19, 2006)

There is good news from Tanzania today regarding that delay on lion hunting we told you about yesterday. Seems the quick and widespread news of the temporary closure and plans to reevaluate the lion quota produced such an outcry from the hunting community that the Ministry of Natural Resources and Tourism has rescinded its order to put lion hunting on hold.


The decision came after the Tanzania Hunting Operators Association (TAHOA) informed ministry officials of the significant logistical problems, the financial burden and public relations nightmare the delay would impose on safari operators and their clients, who were already in the bush hunting or on their way to Tanzania. According to Abdulkadir Luta Mohamed, secretary general of TAHOA, lion hunting is to proceed this season without any further changes to the quota.


Abdulkadir also pointed out that the 10 percent overall cut in quotas we told you about last week should have little effect on most lion-hunting safaris, since most operators take only 60 to 70 percent of their overall lion quotas each season.

We'll have more on what's behind the on-again/off-again lion closure in next month's issue of The Hunting Report, which will be e-mailed late next week.

Govt bans lion hunts: Wild dogs, ostriches on list, too

(July 20, 2006)


THISDAY REPORTER
Dar es Salaam

THE government has cancelled hunting quotas for lions, ostriches and wild dogs, a move described by the Tanzania Hunting Operators Association (TAHOA) as a catastrophe for the country’s tourism industry.

The cancellation of the hunting quota for the lions was announced by the Ministry of Natural Resources and Tourism in a letter to hunting companies dated July 17, 2006, and signed by M. Madehele on behalf of the permanent secretary in the ministry.

The letter reads: ’’We have been instructed to cancel, with immediate effect the hunting quotas for the following species. (i) Lion, (ii) Ostrich (iii) Wild dog.’’

It adds: ’’As our letter Ref. No. HD/116/519/01/95 of 28/06/2006 does not include the wild dog, only the lion and ostrich quota have relevance to this letter; that the quotas issued have henceforth been cancelled.’’

’’Further to this instruction a new quota proposal supported by data shall be submitted to the Minister for approval and issuance of the same. We request you to kindly bear with us until this process is done and concluded.’’

In another dramatic turn of events, the TAHOA Secretary General, Mr Abdulkadir Mohamed, said yesterday latest reports indicated that the government had since reversed its cancellation on hunting quotas for lions, ostriches and wild dogs.

He said the cancellation could have a very big negative impact to the country’s tourism industry, especially the hunting industry, because deals worth billions of shillings in foreign exchange could have gone sour.

’’The information that we (TAHOA) have is that the government has reversed its ban on hunting quotas for lions, wild dogs and ostriches,’’ he said when reached by phone.

When contacted for comment, the Permanent Secretary in the Ministry of Natural Resources and Tourism, Mr Saleh Pamba, declined to comment through his secretary who said her boss was ’’rushing to Dodoma where he has been summoned by the prime minister.’’

However, Mr Mohamed cautioned that the ban could have caused untold damages which could have forced some hunting firms to go bankrupt due to cancellation of reservations for tourist hunting made by wealthy tourists, chiefly from the United States.

Mr Mohamed said some of the hunting firms should have been forced to sue the government for causing business losses because the government imposed the ban in the middle of the hunting season which begins on July 1 through December 31.

’’Hunting is an expensive business which involves wealthy tourists who could have spent any amount of money to sue hunting companies for inconveniences caused, including cancellation of flights and hotel reservations,’’ he said.

Mr Mohamed added: ’’Some of the tourists are already in the country for hunting and some of them have already hunted lions so the cancellation of hunting quotas on lions could have a very big impact to the industry.’’

He said a hunting permit was secured at $750 (about 945,000/-) and a tourist was supposed to pay a total of $2,100 (about 2.6m/-) during a 21-day hunting period.

The TAHOA secretary general said foreign professional hunters paid $4,000 (about 5m/-) during the hunting season while their local counterparts paid about $2,000 (about 2.5m/-).

Lion hunting generates an income of close to $10 million (over 12bn/-) per annum in Tanzania, making an important contribution to the tourist hunting industry in Tanzania, and is one of the major magnets to tourists.

The direct contribution made by lion trophy fees to hunting revenues at first glance appears low at 9.4 per cent, being the third most important species in terms of income generation. Lions are surpassed in income generation by buffalo and leopard, which contribute 21.5 per cent and 10.4 per cent respectively.

Approximately 250 lions are taken annually by tourist hunters in all hunting blocks of Tanzania, which exist in different parts of the country.

So is it yes or no?

Posted for KATHI

Thanks for the official document.

But what about wild dogs???

500grains

Wild Dogs are never been on License the last few Years.

Seloushunter