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Dear USA guests in particualar .. I dont know if this is the latest scarmonguring or basic crap. You are masters of your own destiny so ignore it if you wish, but for those with an interest I publish it below Cheers, Peter ------------------------------ US Issues Travel Warning for Zimbabwe Zimbabwe Independent (Harare) November 18, 2005 - Loughty Dube THE United States government has issued a fresh warning for its nationals travelling to Zimbabwe. This comes a week after Washington summoned its ambassador to Zimbabwe for consultations after he was reprimanded by government over statements he made at a local university. The travel warning issued by the United States State Department's Bureau of Consular Affairs on Tuesday supersedes an earlier travel warning issued in March. The latest statement reminds American citizens of the "continuing political, economic and humanitarian instability in Zimbabwe". The US government in March issued a travel warning to its citizens to avoid visiting Zimbabwe, citing the continued shortage of commodities and an unstable political environment. Zimbabwe joins a list of several countries that include Uzbekistan, Bosnia-Herzegovina, Colombia, Cuba, Yemen and Lebanon that have travel warnings issued against them by the US State Department. "The Department of State cautions US citizens of the risks of travel to Zimbabwe, a country in the midst of political and economic turmoil. All US citizens in Zimbabwe are advised to take those measures they deem appropriate to ensure their personal safety. "Zimbabwe's economy is in a protracted state of decline, with extremely high rates of unemployment and inflation. Shortages of staple foods are a persistent problem. Deteriorating economic conditions have led to a significant increase in crime, including violent crime," the US State Department says in the travel warning. The US government issues warnings on countries that should be avoided by its citizens on health grounds, crime, unusual entry requirements and any areas of instability. "A nation-wide fuel shortage makes internal travel difficult and unreliable and severely restricts the response capability of police and other emergency services," the travel warning says. Relations between the two countries are strained due to Washington's continued criticism of President Mugabe's scorched-earth policies that have seen the country's economy collapse. | ||
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Thats just friggin great, since I have a hunt planned there in Aug.'06 | |||
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The US State Department issues travel warnings all the time. IMO a little common sense by the individual traveler goes a lot farther than any government warning. | |||
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Hell, they had a trevel warning to Vietnam and then sent me. Soooooo? Semper Fi WE BAND OF BUBBAS STC Hunting Club | |||
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Zim gets a hell of a lot of money from the US in hunting and tourism. I don't think they would risk pissing off the US hunters. Mink and Wall Tents don't go together. Especially when you are sleeping in the Wall Tent. DRSS .470 & .500 | |||
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Almost word for word the same warning that existed when I departed for Zim in May 2004. Upon arrival, I felt safer there than I do in any big city in the US. Good thing the Sate dept. doesn't issue travel warnings for Chicago or NY, NY - if they were honest they would look much worse than this one. | |||
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I was on the ground there two weeks ago. Everything is fine... actually it was better two weeks ago than it was in '03. I would have no reservations about upcoming travel to Zim. | |||
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We have Senate elections next weekend- and the police are out in force to ensure that nobody interferes with the vote counting this weekend or objects when the results are announced (or leaked before the actual election). Actually all is very quiet, and I managed to buy some condensed milk for the first time this year!!!! | |||
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Zim is far safer than any country south of the Rio Grande. | |||
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The US issues travel advisories for Mexico all the time and I've been there twice since the last couple were issued to no ill effect. Just use common sense and be aware of your surroundings. I felt safer walking around downtown Cabo San Lucas at night than I ever have walking around down town Houston... Jason "Chance favors the prepared mind." | |||
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I wouldn't put too much faith in this truth. Mugabe has shown that commonsense does not enter into any of his policies. Remember, the country relied on the agriculture of the white farming community and that didn't save them. And even now, when the effects of the land-grab policy are all too clear, he still won't admit it was a mistake and more farms are still being taken! "White men with their ridiculous civilization lie far from me. No longer need I be a slave to money" (W.D.M Bell) www.cybersafaris.com.au | |||
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Here's the link. http://travel.state.gov/travel/cis_pa_tw/tw/tw_937.html Clicky! They're in good company - Lebanon, Liberia, Yemen, Indonesia, Cuba, Burundi, Côte d'Ivoire, Sudan, etc. bob | |||
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Meet & greet in Harare, off to the safari in the company of your outfitter's stewards. Reverse the order on the way back. No problems | |||
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If I had a trip planned to Zim that warning would not keep me away. /////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// "Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery." Winston Churchill | |||
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Safer than Costa Rica? Safer than Ecuador? Safer than Argentina? Safer than Chile? I don't think so. | |||
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db What is the murder rate in those countries? Including political murders we are on 27 this YEAR and at least half of those are political killings. Stay out of politics and you get a Muder rate of about 1 per million people. NB More people have been killed by elephants than murered this year! General theaft is very high, but violence with it is rare. Our biggest problems are the shortages of Fuel and many food items. | |||
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db What is the murder rate in those countries? Including political murders we are on 27 this YEAR and at least half of those are political killings. Stay out of politics and you get a Muder rate of about 1 per million people. NB More people have been killed by elephants than murered this year! Ge | |||
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Is insurance cover affected by going to a country with a travel warning? | |||
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Just don't book to fly on Air Zimbabwe. All planes are grounded due to a lack of fuel.(passengers are being told that the airline is "making a plan"- that could take weeks ) And our president is stuck because SAA will not change their routes to suit him and actually want payment up front for him and his entourage | |||
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YES. | |||
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As most of you know, I was in Zim tis past June, flying into Bulawayo and on to the Dande concession and down to Malangani in the southeast. In between areas, we had the opportunity to go out and dine and shop in Bulawayo. Yes there were HUGe lines for fuel, but the restaurant were full, lots of people in town with SMILES on their faces( yes there was abject poverty and all the misery that goes along with it)but overall the people were very polite and smiling. It is my nderstanding that things are much worse in Harare, as Bulawayo and the surrounding area are primarily anti-Mugabe. I agree with 500gr's observations regarding costa Rica, Chile and the Argentine, but as for the rest of the South American Continent, I'll take Bulawayo any day. I can't wait to get back. Jorge USN (ret) DRSS Verney-Carron 450NE Cogswell & Harrison 375 Fl NE Sabatti Big Five 375 FL Magnum NE DSC Life Member NRA Life Member | |||
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500gr/Ganyanna Perhaps I should have said that there is no difference. In terms of tourists getting killed I think that the rate is the same in all of the countries mentioned on this thread. In my experience one really has to look for trouble in 99% of the time. Bring your own variety of sexual amusement and don’t drink and that goes up to 99.9999999999999. | |||
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Problems seem to keep mounting..... November 22, 2005 State-owned national carrier Air Zimbabwe has grounded its entire fleet after running out of fuel as the southern African country's economy continues to crumble, company officials said on Tuesday. Critics blame President Robert Mugabe's controversial policies and government mismanagement for a long-running crisis that has left a once vibrant economy struggling with shortages of food, fuel, foreign currency and a decaying infrastructure. A senior Air Zimbabwe official said on Tuesday the carrier was forced to ground all seven of its planes on Monday, and to cancel all its domestic and international flights "until further notice" due to fuel shortages. Air Zimbabwe officials say people were caught unaware at Harare Airport on Monday, leaving passengers milling at check-in counters. But on Tuesday the airline ran radio advertisements advising passengers to check for new developments. Air Zimbabwe's board of directors has responded to the grounding by suspending the airline's chief executive Tendai Mahachi and two other senior managers, with transport officials saying Mugabe's government felt embarrassed by the halting of flights. "All planes have been grounded because there is no adequate foreign currency to buy fuel and flights have been suspended until further notice," said one Air Zimbabwe official. Air Zimbabwe's official spokesman, David Mwenga, and board vice-chairman Jonathan Kadzura, who issued a statement to state media announcing the suspension of the managers, were both unavailable for immediate comment on Tuesday. In his statement, Kadzura said the board of directors had been forced to suspend the three "pending investigations into the serious disruptions of the national airline's operations and services to customers". He said the board was working to restore services but gave no indication of when Air Zimbabwe might resume flights. The airline has long-haul flights to London, China, Singapore and Dubai, and management was embroiled in a controversy earlier this year for allowing a plane to carry just one passenger to Harare from Dubai. Critics say the airline is a victim of gross mismanagement and almost daily government interference in its operations, including by Mugabe who has sometimes commandeered planes for his business trips abroad. Air Zimbabwe had 15 planes when Mugabe assumed power at independence from Britain in 1980, but the fleet has dwindled to seven, including two small planes bought this year from China. Mugabe's critics say he has wrecked one of Africa's most promising economies through his policies, including seizures and redistribution of white-owned farms to his black supporters. But 81-year-old Mugabe says Zimbabwe's steep six-year economic recession, which has left the country with inflation above 400 percent, is due to sabotage by domestic and Western opponents trying to oust him over his nationalistic policies. (Reuters) | |||
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A good site for keeping up with the news about Zimbabwe: http://www.news24.com/News24/Africa/Zimbabwe/Home/ -Bob F. | |||
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Ganyana Pity Air Zim didn't run out of fuel mid air with Bob and entourage on board.
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500grns or Ganyana is this post totally off base? I have NEVER done anything like this in South America in the past 15 years. This would include both rural Colombia as well as Peru. | |||
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Folks, The first travel warning which was similarly worded occured in about March of 2000 and has been in effect since then. Mike Legistine actu quod scripsi? Never under estimate the internet community's ability to reply to your post with their personal rant about their tangentially related, single occurrence issue. What I have learned on AR, since 2001: 1. The proper answer to: Where is the best place in town to get a steak dinner? is…You should go to Mel's Diner and get the fried chicken. 2. Big game animals can tell the difference between .015 of an inch in diameter, 15 grains of bullet weight, and 150 fps. 3. There is a difference in the performance of two identical projectiles launched at the same velocity if they came from different cartridges. 4. While a double rifle is the perfect DGR, every 375HH bolt gun needs to be modified to carry at least 5 down. 5. While a floor plate and detachable box magazine both use a mechanical latch, only the floor plate latch is reliable. Disregard the fact that every modern military rifle uses a detachable box magazine. 6. The Remington 700 is unreliable regardless of the fact it is the basis of the USMC M40 sniper rifle for 40+ years with no changes to the receiver or extractor and is the choice of more military and law enforcement sniper units than any other rifle. 7. PF actions are not suitable for a DGR and it is irrelevant that the M1, M14, M16, & AK47 which were designed for hunting men that can shoot back are all PF actions. 8. 95 deg F in Africa is different than 95 deg F in TX or CA and that is why you must worry about ammunition temperature in Africa (even though most safaris take place in winter) but not in TX or in CA. 9. The size of a ding in a gun's finish doesn't matter, what matters is whether it’s a safe ding or not. 10. 1 in a row is a trend, 2 in a row is statistically significant, and 3 in a row is an irrefutable fact. 11. Never buy a WSM or RCM cartridge for a safari rifle or your go to rifle in the USA because if they lose your ammo you can't find replacement ammo but don't worry 280 Rem, 338-06, 35 Whelen, and all Weatherby cartridges abound in Africa and back country stores. 12. A well hit animal can run 75 yds. in the open and suddenly drop with no initial blood trail, but the one I shot from 200 yds. away that ran 10 yds. and disappeared into a thicket and was not found was lost because the bullet penciled thru. I am 100% certain of this even though I have no physical evidence. 13. A 300 Win Mag is a 500 yard elk cartridge but a 308 Win is not a 300 yard elk cartridge even though the same bullet is travelling at the same velocity at those respective distances. | |||
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They need to take the luggage racks off the top on the Air Zim planes. They just drag way too much and use way too much fuel. ...... and the freeloaders climb up there for a free ride too ..... | |||
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db I was chairman of our local neigborhood watch committee until last year and am a police reserve officer in our Balistic Forensics section- most things come to my attention! Car jacking? Toyota landcruisers and Prado's 93 stolen this year- most though taken at night from the house rather than an armed carjacking. Total armed car jackings for the country - all models - to date are 101. If I drove a new twin cab, Prado or merc I would watch my rear view mirror closely. Run red traffic lights - that is a national passtime- it is called "going through a dark Amber" There is no point in wasting scarce fuel sitting at a traffic light late at night. Most cities have gone back to turning the traffic lights onto "flashing Amber" after 11pm and reverting to normal at 6:30 am- as an economy measure rather than a safety one. Putting in a borehole or well - yes - Finished miine last week. Harare and Bulawayo are very short of water. Police roadblocks- common, particularly in the run up to elections (like tomorrow) or Christmas - the police want to make a bit extra, and suddenly start enforcing vehicle rules- like rear reflectors, worn tyres etc. anything they can fine you for to make up their ticket quota. | |||
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