Burnham (an American) has been a favorite scout and adventurer of mine for a long time and I noticed that Jeff Cooper mentioned him this month in his commentaries:

He was a close friend and direct report to Baden-Powell (founder of the Boy Scouts) and worked for Rhodes in Africa.

He led a fascinating life in Africa and the Wild West of the US and we could use a few more men like him today.

Cane Corso Burham is one of my favorites heros ,cowboy,scout,soldier ,and fouder of the boone and crocket club ,he was a personal friend of Baden Powell,a real proffesional adventurer.Ialways read Jeff Cooper commentaries so ,we not only have dogos and pigsticking as mutual interests,in a boone and crocket magazine is a nice article about Burham.juan

There is a great book about him called king of scouts, I have it, foiund it in the local author section of a small bookstore about 2 blocks from my office. Really great story, interesting history of things too. The guy had more fun in his lifetime than any 5 men should get to. :-)

Red

I don't want to high jack your thread but I saw this in the commentaries:
In a recent confrontation in Petaluma, California, the bad guy was hit 27 times with 10mm pistol bullets, whereupon he died.

I wonder how many LE's and how many reloads were involved in this fracas? I am just amazed. At what point did he cease to be a threat or was this only when he died?
Peter.

Explore the psychology of gunfights. Auditory exlusion, tunnel vision, distorted perception of time and other stress induced maladies occur during traumatic events. In these situations most people are still trying to sqeeze the trigger on an empty gun and have no idea how many times they have fired their weapon or when and if they reloaded. Group dynamics of sympathetic fire also come into play. Liberal politics not allowing police officers the proper ammunition to incapacitate an assailant quickly ie. hollow points versus fmj .... If he is still standing and holding a weapon he is still a threat to my life etc...

Sounds like it was extreme, but is a fairly common occurance. A very interesting subject for a group of DG hunters looking for an adrenaline rush, which is probably excellent training for a violent human confrontation.

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Originally posted by Dago Red:
There is a great book about him called king of scouts, I have it, foiund it in the local author section of a small bookstore about 2 blocks from my office. Really great story, interesting history of things too. The guy had more fun in his lifetime than any 5 men should get to. :-)

Red

I have read his autobiography "Scouting on Two Continents" but haven't read the "King of Scouts" book written about him. I heard it was good.

Burnham was a very versatile scout and as Jeff Cooper put it "hit man." He assasinated an enemy leader behind enemy lines in a strong-hold series of caves, exchanged long distance rifle fire with the top Boer sniper (and won by killing the Boer's horse, thus redering him immobile and ineffective). He was also one of two survivors in the British version of Custer's last stand (Matabele war).

NOt a bad read

http://www.pinetreeweb.com/burnham-on-bp.htm

From his book

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I wonder how many LE's and how many reloads were involved in this fracas? I am just amazed. At what point did he cease to be a threat or was this only when he died?
Peter.

Why was he shot 27 times with 10mm pistol rounds?

1. In for a dime, in for a dollar .

2. Maybe they didn't have 28 cartridges.

3. In the 1970's when the perps were juiced on PCP, they were hard to stop. The same thing happens these days with the current methamphetamine fad.

4. Many cops are bad shots.

5. Pistols are inefficient tools for stopping people.

6. No one had a rifle handy.

7. If deadly force was indicated, who cares how many bullets the perp sucked up. So long as no civilians or cops were hit, It's time for coffee and a donut (or tea and cucumber sandwiches).

8. Maybe in that city the tactical dogma is, "one to the chest, two to the balls" instead of, "two to the chest one to the head".

9. No one had a heavy shovel handy.

10. When the shooting starts it is human nature to keep shooting until the ammo is gone. When the SAS retook the Iranian Embassy in 1981(?), each commando put a bullet in the head of each terrorist as they passed by the bodies. That was their doctrine. Personally, I think that was the best thing to come out of England since the light game gun for driven pheasant shooting.

11. 27 cops with one bullet each? Naw, no way.

Take your pick.

that has got to be one of the most off topic jumps I have ever seen, EVER. aside from Petaluma it had absolutely nothing to do with the thread. wow, its like people that talk to me when I sidetrack

There was a shooting about 2 years ago if memory is right here in fresno. southeast asian that was in car chase with police. had his girlfriend in the car. the combined force of officers that had stopped him fired over 90 rounds, again from memory, and he was hit 2 times, non-fatal. If I were a criminal this is the town I would commit a crime in I guess.

Burnham did not assasinate that guy for no reason, or just because it was assigned to him. The guy was the leader of the rebellion and because of his riling up the populace Burnham's wife and young daughter had been crowded in a shelter with a lot of people, the daughter got sick and ended up dying. This guy as the head of the other side was therefore to Burham responsible. He was settling up.

I thoguht the biggest attestation to his grit was when he was sent to blow some train track and got in a fight, horse fell on top of him, breaking ribs and what not. he crawled miles, blew the tracks, then crawled back and luckily didn't pass out until after he got over his sides lines. Oh, not to mention surviving a black mamba bite because the snake had a fresh frog in its mouth and couldn't quite get all the venom in.

some people say that you can still see where he trekked through Africa if you just follow the double lines left by his big brass knockers.

Red

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Originally posted by Dago Red:
that has got to be one of the most off topic jumps I have ever seen, EVER.

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Burnham did not assasinate that guy for no reason, or just because it was assigned to him. The guy was the leader of the rebellion and because of his riling up the populace Burnham's wife and young daughter had been crowded in a shelter with a lot of people, the daughter got sick and ended up dying. This guy as the head of the other side was therefore to Burham responsible. He was settling up.

I thoguht the biggest attestation to his grit was when he was sent to blow some train track and got in a fight, horse fell on top of him, breaking ribs and what not. he crawled miles, blew the tracks, then crawled back and luckily didn't pass out until after he got over his sides lines. Oh, not to mention surviving a black mamba bite because the snake had a fresh frog in its mouth and couldn't quite get all the venom in.

some people say that you can still see where he trekked through Africa if you just follow the double lines left by his big brass knockers.

Red

Yeah, big ole brass ones and some kind of TEAM of guardian angels working overtime to keep this guy alive and prosperous.

Apparently, he advised old Teddy Roosevelt about all the goings on in Africa at the time, as well.

What about the rumor of a big sack(s) of gold that he aquired from the African gold mines that he brought home to California? (back when California was a good place).