Anybody tried a laser pointer sight next to a scope or barrel like hand gun Crimson laser for snap off hand shooting for charges and close work? Maybe no good in sunshine?

Disaster waiting to happen.

You dont use the sights in a charge in my experience.
Your big bore should be used much like a shotgun

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Originally posted by Hunting the Box H:
You dont use the sights in a charge in my experience.
Your big bore should be used much like a shotgun

Precisely!

It makes no difference what sight you have on, hitting something moving fast requires training.

It basically becomes instinctive, than an aimed shot.

If it is happening that fast, there will certainly not be time to flip on the laser. Proper fit of your firearm and some good prior practice will be the only thing that can save you at that point!

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Originally posted by LR3:
Anybody tried a laser pointer sight next to a scope or barrel like hand gun Crimson laser for snap off hand shooting for charges and close work? Maybe no good in sunshine?

If you are talking about Cape buffalo witch are basically very black then I don't recommend it! If you have or know someone who has a mounted Cape buffalo, point your laser at it! I think what you will find is the red dot disappears in the black animal, and the same goes for any animal that has long hair like a male lion or bear.
A one power scope illuminated dot scope or Docter sight shot with both eyes open is another matter, because the dot is inside the scope and not actually on the animal.

As Hunting the Box H says, in a charge your rifle is used as a shotgun pointed instinctively.

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Why? If your rifle fits, you don't need it. If your rifle doesn't fit you, those several seconds to bring it to bear will likely get someone bashed if it is truly needed. Another attempt to complicate things IMHO.

Another thing to go wrong in the field

First of all one does not plan or engineer a charge

It just happens

Second if it happens there is no time to think one just react instinctively

Less moving parts

Less thinking

You will book another hunt

If not that will be you last hunt my friend

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Originally posted by londonhunter:
First of all one does not plan or engineer a charge

It just happens

At least for most of us!

My question was prompted by when you don't get the chance to mount a rifle to ones shoulder. Admittedly rare and laser seems a bad idea. In the military I was trained to shoot by instinct practicing without mounting the rifle. I've used that once for a buffalo. My cousin had to do that on a lion that jumped him from long grass and if you look at Carter in one of his shots at a buffalo at close quarters he never gets his double shouldered fully before he fires. Micahel Flynn told me the scar on his face was from a leopard that jumped him and all he could do was hold the rifle across his chest to block the leopard and never managed to shoulder the rifle. Obviously these are very close encounters and I agree that most times one shoots like shooting a bird with a shot gun and one sites down the barrel. This is where a double really has a big advantage assuming no scope and a bolt has a scope. Looks like no other easy options but practice. Drummond i seem to remember shoved a barrel down a lions throat and blew its head off. Can be painful with a
big bore! Thanks for the comments.

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Originally posted by JBoutfishn:
Disaster waiting to happen.

+1

An aimpoint red dot.

Mike

Great idea in theory but not in real life.

I am a retired cop from NY and on the Dept's SWAT Team for most of my career so I had the opportunity to play with allot of cool stuff and try it out on operations.

First and most important of all is that you will NOT be able to even see the red laser dot in daylight, especially if the sun is bright. Second, if there is even so much as a twig in your line of sight your laser was be obstructed by it. As Saeed said, if you are charged by an animal (or human) you will not see your sights. You will only see your target/threat with both eyes wide open and you won't remember much else. Even though SWAT trainers would stress "Focus on the Front Sight" you never do, and I usually remember seeing my sights blurred on target. You are not going to focus on anything other than your threat....theory is great but reality is something else.
Where lasers shine is when it is totally dark (indoors) and you are using night vision goggles with in IR (infrared)laser mounted on your weapon. This was the set used when SEAL Team 6 killed Bin Laden.

OK, so I did go a bit off topic but my advice would be to fire LOTS of rounds with your rifle until it becomes muscle memory, meaning that you don't have to think about what you are doing....it just happens. Think Clay Pigeons. You are not aiming per se, it just happens.

Probably the best/easiest thing you can do is to dry fire in your house or yard....pick random objects and practice quickly mounting your weapon and dry firing on it. After a while your weapon will feel so familiar to you that you wont believe it. I do this with my handgun everyday since I live in the city and don't have easy access to the range. When I was active in SWAT I fired a thousand rounds a month during training with my Glock, MP-5, and M-16, and I can tell you that my skill level has diminished since my retirement, but not by much thanks to my dry-firing routine.

Anyway, that's my 2 Cents!

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Originally posted by retreever:
An aimpoint red dot.

Mike

Mike, a red dot would work as well, since you will see the red dot "Blurred" superimposed on your target. The only issue I would have with it is that bright sunlight might "wash out" the dot. I would thoroughly test it out during different lighting before I deployed it.

Just my usual 2 Cents of course!