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Just kinda curious...you here fols espouse the virtues of using an 30-06 or 308 or 375HH or 458 WM becuase if you ever lose your ammo you can get some at a store or from your PH...just curious how many have actually been able to do it....or did you just borrow a rifle?


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What I have learned on AR, since 2001:
1. The proper answer to: Where is the best place in town to get a steak dinner? is…You should go to Mel's Diner and get the fried chicken.
2. Big game animals can tell the difference between .015 of an inch in diameter, 15 grains of bullet weight, and 150 fps.
3. There is a difference in the performance of two identical projectiles launched at the same velocity if they came from different cartridges.
4. While a double rifle is the perfect DGR, every 375HH bolt gun needs to be modified to carry at least 5 down.
5. While a floor plate and detachable box magazine both use a mechanical latch, only the floor plate latch is reliable. Disregard the fact that every modern military rifle uses a detachable box magazine.
6. The Remington 700 is unreliable regardless of the fact it is the basis of the USMC M40 sniper rifle for 40+ years with no changes to the receiver or extractor and is the choice of more military and law enforcement sniper units than any other rifle.
7. PF actions are not suitable for a DGR and it is irrelevant that the M1, M14, M16, & AK47 which were designed for hunting men that can shoot back are all PF actions.
8. 95 deg F in Africa is different than 95 deg F in TX or CA and that is why you must worry about ammunition temperature in Africa (even though most safaris take place in winter) but not in TX or in CA.
9. The size of a ding in a gun's finish doesn't matter, what matters is whether it’s a safe ding or not.
10. 1 in a row is a trend, 2 in a row is statistically significant, and 3 in a row is an irrefutable fact.
11. Never buy a WSM or RCM cartridge for a safari rifle or your go to rifle in the USA because if they lose your ammo you can't find replacement ammo but don't worry 280 Rem, 338-06, 35 Whelen, and all Weatherby cartridges abound in Africa and back country stores.
12. A well hit animal can run 75 yds. in the open and suddenly drop with no initial blood trail, but the one I shot from 200 yds. away that ran 10 yds. and disappeared into a thicket and was not found was lost because the bullet penciled thru. I am 100% certain of this even though I have no physical evidence.
13. A 300 Win Mag is a 500 yard elk cartridge but a 308 Win is not a 300 yard elk cartridge even though the same bullet is travelling at the same velocity at those respective distances.
 
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Last year in Namibia during the SAA strike my Dad's luggage with ammo didn't show up. Waited 1 day in Windhoek and it still didn't show. Went to a local gun shop and picked up some .308 Win in a PMC brand and went hunting. He shot a gemsbok and springbok the first day. Luggage showed up a couple days later but because of the common caliber he was shooting we didn't miss much hunting.

I'm in the process of building a 35 Whelen for next years plains game hunt, but will have my '06 along as backup just in case something similar happens.
 
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Why not just put the ammo in with the gun case?


I hunt, not to kill, but in order not to have played golf....

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I believe all or nearly all airline regs prohibit this, no?

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In RSA at least standard calibers were no problem. Just had to show your import permits to buy the ammo at the gun store. Good selection of all standard stuff available. We had to buy some 338WM for some of the guys. They even had a good selection of the dreaded 45/70! That is all long as you liked rhinos. As long as it isnt wildcat your ok. Zim was more limited. The more you go off the beaten track obviously the selection and amount diminishes. The ph's can only keep ammo they have licensed weapons for now so dont count on them having any oddball calibers from another client.


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Mike,
It's been almost 5 years, but on my last trip one of my bags (the one with most of my clothes, and ammo,)didn't arrive with me. I borrowed a box of .338 Win mag from my PH for the first 2 days of my hunt. My other bag was delivered to camp from a courier by the third day, and everything worked out. It was just plains game, so the non premium ammo worked just fine. As a side note the mixup was actually my fault, because I listened to the airline employee when I left home and tried to check my bags all the way through. When I got to Seattle, British Airways said no go. They tried to retrieve my bags, but were only partially successful. My Tuffpak with rifles and some gear made it. My other bag was stuck in London in the rain for 2 more days. British Airways was very helpful in locating them, and getting them the 350 or so miles to camp. Again this was my screwup, and I was happy that the PH had .338 ammo I could use, so at least I was able to use my own rifle.

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Glad to hear it worked out for you. Five years ago the ph's could still get away with keeping ammo left by clients no matter what the caliber. Now if they get audited they can be in deep do do. They cant have ammo for non lic weapons. I think there also might be a limit on how much ammo they are allowed to have on hand as well but I am not sure about that without checking.


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John,

Don't be a knucklehead....my ammo is always checked in my firearms case.


Mike

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What I have learned on AR, since 2001:
1. The proper answer to: Where is the best place in town to get a steak dinner? is…You should go to Mel's Diner and get the fried chicken.
2. Big game animals can tell the difference between .015 of an inch in diameter, 15 grains of bullet weight, and 150 fps.
3. There is a difference in the performance of two identical projectiles launched at the same velocity if they came from different cartridges.
4. While a double rifle is the perfect DGR, every 375HH bolt gun needs to be modified to carry at least 5 down.
5. While a floor plate and detachable box magazine both use a mechanical latch, only the floor plate latch is reliable. Disregard the fact that every modern military rifle uses a detachable box magazine.
6. The Remington 700 is unreliable regardless of the fact it is the basis of the USMC M40 sniper rifle for 40+ years with no changes to the receiver or extractor and is the choice of more military and law enforcement sniper units than any other rifle.
7. PF actions are not suitable for a DGR and it is irrelevant that the M1, M14, M16, & AK47 which were designed for hunting men that can shoot back are all PF actions.
8. 95 deg F in Africa is different than 95 deg F in TX or CA and that is why you must worry about ammunition temperature in Africa (even though most safaris take place in winter) but not in TX or in CA.
9. The size of a ding in a gun's finish doesn't matter, what matters is whether it’s a safe ding or not.
10. 1 in a row is a trend, 2 in a row is statistically significant, and 3 in a row is an irrefutable fact.
11. Never buy a WSM or RCM cartridge for a safari rifle or your go to rifle in the USA because if they lose your ammo you can't find replacement ammo but don't worry 280 Rem, 338-06, 35 Whelen, and all Weatherby cartridges abound in Africa and back country stores.
12. A well hit animal can run 75 yds. in the open and suddenly drop with no initial blood trail, but the one I shot from 200 yds. away that ran 10 yds. and disappeared into a thicket and was not found was lost because the bullet penciled thru. I am 100% certain of this even though I have no physical evidence.
13. A 300 Win Mag is a 500 yard elk cartridge but a 308 Win is not a 300 yard elk cartridge even though the same bullet is travelling at the same velocity at those respective distances.
 
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MIke De_Torre :

I can say that coming out of the bush in Zimbabwe in 1993, I was stuck on a week end (unable to fly out to NY) and wandered into a gun shop in Johannesberg - and was dumbfounded at how much ammo and how many varied types of ammo were available. I saw DMW ammo not available in the US except on special order and, of course, saw 30-06 (in all loadings) and happily (my favorite medium cartrige, the 7mm Mauser) The problem, of course, is not about finding ammo in Africa. It's about having the ammo right then and there when you really need it! Smiler
 
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Mike,

In '95 our bags ended up four days behind us going to Namibia. I borrowed a box of .375 H&H ammo from our PH. I was using Federal Premium with the 300 grain Nosler Partition because it was such a popular load, and indeed the PH had the same ammo.

I left my unfired cartridges with him, so he had more. Wink

jim


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Why not just put the ammo in with the gun case?



I have checked firearms and ammo on many flights world wide, and they always make certain that ammo is in seperate luggage. Every airline company that i have heard of prohibits firearms and ammo together, even before sept 11.
 
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Duggaboy,

Your information is apparently flawed. I have been to Africa 3 times and Argentina once as well as at least a dozen trips within in the US. My ammo has always been declared and in my gun case.

The air carriers have been United, Delta, SAA, Lufthansa, Delta, Varig, Alaska, Continental.

I just checked United's, Qanats, and British Airways. No requirement listed to separate ammuniton from the firearm.

The following is directly off the US TSA website

"Any ammunition transported must be securely packed in fiber (such as cardboard), wood or metal boxes or other packaging specifically designed to carry small amounts of ammunition.
Firearm magazines/clips do not satisfy the packaging requirement unless they provide a complete and secure enclosure of the ammunition (e.g., by securely covering the exposed portions of the magazine or by securely placing the magazine in a pouch, holder, holster or lanyard).
The ammunition may also be located in the same hard-sided case as the firearm, as long as it is properly packed as described above. "


Mike

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What I have learned on AR, since 2001:
1. The proper answer to: Where is the best place in town to get a steak dinner? is…You should go to Mel's Diner and get the fried chicken.
2. Big game animals can tell the difference between .015 of an inch in diameter, 15 grains of bullet weight, and 150 fps.
3. There is a difference in the performance of two identical projectiles launched at the same velocity if they came from different cartridges.
4. While a double rifle is the perfect DGR, every 375HH bolt gun needs to be modified to carry at least 5 down.
5. While a floor plate and detachable box magazine both use a mechanical latch, only the floor plate latch is reliable. Disregard the fact that every modern military rifle uses a detachable box magazine.
6. The Remington 700 is unreliable regardless of the fact it is the basis of the USMC M40 sniper rifle for 40+ years with no changes to the receiver or extractor and is the choice of more military and law enforcement sniper units than any other rifle.
7. PF actions are not suitable for a DGR and it is irrelevant that the M1, M14, M16, & AK47 which were designed for hunting men that can shoot back are all PF actions.
8. 95 deg F in Africa is different than 95 deg F in TX or CA and that is why you must worry about ammunition temperature in Africa (even though most safaris take place in winter) but not in TX or in CA.
9. The size of a ding in a gun's finish doesn't matter, what matters is whether it’s a safe ding or not.
10. 1 in a row is a trend, 2 in a row is statistically significant, and 3 in a row is an irrefutable fact.
11. Never buy a WSM or RCM cartridge for a safari rifle or your go to rifle in the USA because if they lose your ammo you can't find replacement ammo but don't worry 280 Rem, 338-06, 35 Whelen, and all Weatherby cartridges abound in Africa and back country stores.
12. A well hit animal can run 75 yds. in the open and suddenly drop with no initial blood trail, but the one I shot from 200 yds. away that ran 10 yds. and disappeared into a thicket and was not found was lost because the bullet penciled thru. I am 100% certain of this even though I have no physical evidence.
13. A 300 Win Mag is a 500 yard elk cartridge but a 308 Win is not a 300 yard elk cartridge even though the same bullet is travelling at the same velocity at those respective distances.
 
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mike, I am sure your infomation is correct, ....but as i said no airline company that i have flown with would allow this at the check in. Qantas several times, Virgin, Ansett, Jet star, canadian air and a Zimbabwe airline company that name eludes me. all these air carriers insisted that i carried the ammo in separe luggage to the firearm. I was in no position to argue with them, so i always pack my ammo in with my clothes and rifle separtley in hard lockable case.

There argument has been that if someone was to get at the rifle during transit, they at least would not have access to the ammo.
 
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I cut the shape of the ammo box in my hardcase foam. I carry two boxes with the gun if allowed. Air Canada didn't allow it when I flew that way in 2004.
 
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TSA regulations are only the minimum required by law by individual airlines. Many airlines have rules in excess of TSA requirements and many airlines, both domestic and international, require that ammunition be stored in luggage separate from locked firearms. Some airlines will not allow firearms nor ammunition at all. That is their individual prerogative. You, on the other hand, can choose not to fly them.

Check with airline first. It is also a good idea to find their regs online and bring a printed copy to check-in with you. Ticket counter clerks do not always know their own company rules. I was once able to successfully convince Air Canada check-in employees to allow ammo in the top compartment of my roll-on duffle with a shotgun in the zippered bottom compartment. The language their rule used concerning this only required it to packed separate from the firearm, not in a separate piece of luggage.


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Mike, These guys are correct in although it is perfectly legal to do so most dont want the ammo in the gun case. As usuall, it depends on who you get on what day as I usually have to explain what is required to the agents. That is at least when flying out of airports that dont see a lot of hunters or firearms. I usually just pack mine in a seperate piece of luggage to forego any delays and aggravation.


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Guys,

I realize it varies...I am telling you n a dozen plus trips...I have told them ammo is with the gun and they have all said no problem.

If you check the websites most a "silent" on the point...I was responding to a blanket statement that it is prohibited...


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What I have learned on AR, since 2001:
1. The proper answer to: Where is the best place in town to get a steak dinner? is…You should go to Mel's Diner and get the fried chicken.
2. Big game animals can tell the difference between .015 of an inch in diameter, 15 grains of bullet weight, and 150 fps.
3. There is a difference in the performance of two identical projectiles launched at the same velocity if they came from different cartridges.
4. While a double rifle is the perfect DGR, every 375HH bolt gun needs to be modified to carry at least 5 down.
5. While a floor plate and detachable box magazine both use a mechanical latch, only the floor plate latch is reliable. Disregard the fact that every modern military rifle uses a detachable box magazine.
6. The Remington 700 is unreliable regardless of the fact it is the basis of the USMC M40 sniper rifle for 40+ years with no changes to the receiver or extractor and is the choice of more military and law enforcement sniper units than any other rifle.
7. PF actions are not suitable for a DGR and it is irrelevant that the M1, M14, M16, & AK47 which were designed for hunting men that can shoot back are all PF actions.
8. 95 deg F in Africa is different than 95 deg F in TX or CA and that is why you must worry about ammunition temperature in Africa (even though most safaris take place in winter) but not in TX or in CA.
9. The size of a ding in a gun's finish doesn't matter, what matters is whether it’s a safe ding or not.
10. 1 in a row is a trend, 2 in a row is statistically significant, and 3 in a row is an irrefutable fact.
11. Never buy a WSM or RCM cartridge for a safari rifle or your go to rifle in the USA because if they lose your ammo you can't find replacement ammo but don't worry 280 Rem, 338-06, 35 Whelen, and all Weatherby cartridges abound in Africa and back country stores.
12. A well hit animal can run 75 yds. in the open and suddenly drop with no initial blood trail, but the one I shot from 200 yds. away that ran 10 yds. and disappeared into a thicket and was not found was lost because the bullet penciled thru. I am 100% certain of this even though I have no physical evidence.
13. A 300 Win Mag is a 500 yard elk cartridge but a 308 Win is not a 300 yard elk cartridge even though the same bullet is travelling at the same velocity at those respective distances.
 
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In 2003 I flew SAA from ATL to JNB with the ammo in the Pelican case with the rifle as SAA baggage rules suggest/[require?].

Delta at check in didn't even ask and I never thought to say anything. TSA guy said "You've got ammo in the gun case???" I replied "Sure, here's SAA's rules!"..."Oh, OK then!".

However, on the return from Cape Town I tried the same thing. CT security went ballistic... "Security Violation!!!" I showed them the SAA rules, the SAA agent came to look at the rules, she said "These are wrong!" So the left over ammo AND empty brass went into the checked duffle. Gotta be flexible.

Last trip I took only components, used their rifles and loaded ammo to make up for what I used.

Les
 
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Originally posted by Mike_Dettorre:
I was responding to a blanket statement that it is prohibited...


Mike, please take note of my new signature line?

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yea...great...and on my return trip from Capetown SAA actually asked me to put my ammo in the Tuff Pak with the rifles!!!!!


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Vapodog,

Now THAT is funny! jumping

It must be one of those "Africa" things - if it appears that you have figured out the rules - they change them.

Les
 
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Why not just put the ammo in with the gun case?



I have checked firearms and ammo on many flights world wide, and they always make certain that ammo is in seperate luggage. Every airline company that i have heard of prohibits firearms and ammo together, even before sept 11.


I just got back 3 weeks ago from South Africa and I flew on ASA (Delta) and South African Airlines. I had my ammo in my guncase with my guns. That also included a unscoped handgun and cartridges.


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We replaced .300 Win and .375H&H ammo when it was lost by KLM. My sons and I were hunting in Lukwati, Tanz. TGT was kind enough to loan us the ammo as I think it is illegal to sell it in Tanz. I will say this for KLM, they hired a charter aircraft and flew my sons luggage to Lukwati. At what charters are in Tanz any profit on our flights was gone after getting the luggage to us.
 
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