From Zim Online (SA), 30 June


Harare compels public to surrender their guns


Harare - Zimbabwe police have ordered all civilians to surrender firearms in what insiders said was a precautionary measure in a charged country after the government demolished thousands of homes and informal businesses in a controversial urban clean-up exercise. Police at the weekend said they were revoking licences for all automatic rifles and some types of pistols and said civilians owning such weapons had until today to surrender them. The law enforcement agency did not give reasons for the action but warned Zimbabweans that they could be prosecuted for failing to hand in their guns. A statement issued by the police read in part: "Police would like to advise members of the public that firearm licences of the following self-loading weapon: G3, FN 7.62mm rifles and scorpion pistols have since been revoked in terms of Sub-Section 7 of Section 6 of the Firearms Act (Chapter) 10: 09) . . . possession of the above-listed firearms is now unlawful." Home Affairs Minister Kembo Mohadi, in charge of the police, could not be reached for comment on the matter yesterday.


But sources at police headquarters in Harare said the move was just precautionary to ensure such weapons could not be used by civilians should tension gripping Zimbabwe in the wake of the government’s clean-up exercise erupt into public violence. "The ban is targeted at all automatic weapons which the government fears could pose a security threat in the country should the civil strife in Zimbabwe turn violent," said a source, who did not want to be named for fear of victimisation. This is not the first time that the government has cancelled firearm licences. At the peak of its chaotic and often violent farm seizure programme in 2000, the government issued a decree compelling civilians to surrender their guns. The move was targeted at white commercial farmers who at that time held a number of assault guns for self-protection. Zimbabwe’s security forces have been on high alert since the government launched a "clean-up" campaign last month that has left close to a million people without shelter after their shanty homes were demolished.

Is this classic or what? GOD BLESS the NRA.

He got it backwards. It's supposed to go like this.
1. Confiscate all the guns.
2. Burn down the slums.
3. Send the undesirables to the camps for extermination.
4. Ignore the protests from the rest of the world. They won't do anything to effectively disrupt the game plan.

When its time to hand them in, it is time to use them.

Amen NitroX

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Originally posted by NitroX:
When its time to hand them in, it is time to use them.

Here in the USA you yould be pretty much alone in your efforts. Not one out of a thousand would take up arms against the government. The few that did would be shot like dogs or burned alive in their homes. Then the media would run a story about them being a terrorist.

Muletrain-
I agree. Actually you could extend that to Europe, Canada, and Australia. If you consider the cultural revolutions that have taken place in the West in the last, oh, 60 years, you can see that the resistance has been almost nonexistant. The alien immigration explosions alone would have cause a massive uproar 8 generations ago. They used to consider such things invasions. Now the masses are supposed to believe they are just economic opportunties and a chance to learn the ways of other peoples.

Sounds like it's finally time for the mass of Zimbabweans to do something about the tyrant. It's gone on far too long as it is. It's going to happen at some point in time anyway. Why not now?

Muletrain

True enough.

I thought someone might challenge my comment with the "Australian Gun 'Steal-back'" when hundred of thousands of us, I included, handed in semi-auto rifles, pump action and semi-auto shotguns, and more recently larger calibre pistols.

Tyranny is a process of whittling away rights and freedoms and most are too ignorant to understand. Indeed they would argue that the person arguing tyranny is at fault.

But in Zimbabwe NO ONE is not aware Mugabe is a tyrant, supporters or foes alike, except so far he has had the power.

As with all tyrants the day he is weak, he will be deposed.

And Mugabe's demise will come about from within his own party. When Even the Vice President doesn't have enough fuel for her lacky's to run arround...They have a problem. It is almost time to get a satelite TV subscription, buy a case of scotch (cause there is a serious beer shortage and almost no cokes) and kick back for a month until the chrisis resoves itself.

Ganyana

Do you really think it will resolve itself so quickly? Didn't this start in 2003 (the fuel shortages)?

Serval

As a "outsider" I was surprized by the amount of "aliens" you see in London/UK. Some of the British members on this forum may differ from me but there is al lot of people coming from India/Pakistan as well as African countries such as Nigeria and Gana. (Those of you who think I am one of the aliens, I am just visiting )

Nitro X

As a South African I am worried about the scene in SA (re gun licences). I have to re-apply for my licences in 2006/7 and so far I just heard complaints from people. I noticed that the "confiscating" of guns is a world wide trend. They usually do it slowly, for instance first the semi-auto's and SLR's, then the pistols and revolvers. Makes you wonder what go next.

Just my 2c
RM

Serval, Muletrain, and NitroX,
You are right, there are few who would do anything about it when it gets down to it. Thomas Jefferson pretty much summed it up in a quote, "We created a near perfect republic, but will they keep it,or, will they in their own prosperity, trade basic freedoms for comfort."

Fuel shortages started in 2000 but have never been this bad. Also a shortage of coke - when a coke and bun is the standard breakfast for 50% of the working population... Even the vice President couldn't offer his guest coke at lunch on Friday...

Our revocation of licences for semi Auto rifles follows South Africa ramming the "SADAC protocol" on firearms down our throat. They are now demanding that we limmit total numbers and re-write our firearms act.

At least there is no hassel with visiting hunters and their fire arms.

Ganyana

Agree with you about that. (Problems with visiting hunters.) Some of my friends are PH's (in SA) and complained about it. They said it scared off a lot of potential clients.

I know we are limited to 4 firearms per person. If you are a registered professional ("toegewyde") hunter, you are apparently allowed to own more firearms.

RM

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Originally posted by Rysmier:

Serval

As a "outsider" I was surprized by the amount of "aliens" you see in London/UK. Some of the British members on this forum may differ from me but there is al lot of people coming from India/Pakistan as well as African countries such as Nigeria and Gana. (Those of you who think I am one of the aliens, I am just visiting )



RM

I have never been to England, but knowing something of the demographic trends taking place there, I would be very surprised to see any British members claiming there is not a great number of immigrants ("aliens") from India/Pakistan and Africa taking up residence in London and other industrialised areas.

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Here in the USA you yould be pretty much alone in your efforts. Not one out of a thousand would take up arms against the government. The few that did would be shot like dogs or burned alive in their homes. Then the media would run a story about them being a terrorist.

You speaking for yourself paleface?

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Originally posted by Muletrain:

quote:

Originally posted by NitroX:
When its time to hand them in, it is time to use them.

Here in the USA you yould be pretty much alone in your efforts. Not one out of a thousand would take up arms against the government. The few that did would be shot like dogs or burned alive in their homes. Then the media would run a story about them being a terrorist.

I disagree. The south and west of the Mississippi except for Cal., OR and WA would secede. The USA has 120 to 200 million privately owned firearms, depending on whose data you read. If all the police and the military combined their efforts, there are not enough of them to collect the guns even if 1 gun owner out of 100 resisted.

Dan

But when they come, they don't come against public mass meetings. They come at you, one by one, day or night. You resist, you end up in jail for a long time.

NItro,

True if it is a narrowly targeted operation. However, we are talking (hypothetically) about confiscating guns from 100,000,000 people. Grass roots resistance would build, secession would be announced, and minuteman forces would be formed to rapidly go to the home of anyone targeted by police. And the police are part of the community too. All of this assumes that the police are willing to attempt to carry out the gun confiscation program. Many of them would not be willing to for ideological reasons, and others would see the danger and senselessness of such a program.

Some years ago, a "closed" or "secret" survey was circulated to members of our Police forces and military in our country. The survey basically asked if they were willing to kick in the doors in middle of night to confiscate "Illegal Weapons" as ruled by our national legislature. The surprising answer was close to 70% YES, they would be willing to do that onerous deed regardless of the 2nd Amendment.

500 Grains

"The south and west of the Mississippi except for Cal., OR and WA would secede."

That is never going to happen.

"The USA has 120 to 200 million privately owned firearms, depending on whose data you read."

And only a very small percentage of those firearms owners have bothered to join the NRA or any other group advocating 2nd Ammemdment rights.

"If all the police and the military combined their efforts, there are not enough of them to collect the guns even if 1 gun owner out of 100 resisted."

It would not be a stand up war between us and them. The swat teams would visit one house at a time. And no one will come to the aid of the house being hit at the time. The rest of the families on the block will just mind their own business and figure the police have a good reason for doing what they are doing. Waco, TX. is a good example. The police laid seige to a religous group. Who came to their aid? No one. When it gets to that point most folks will just turn their guns in.

muletrain, that's what the democrats are counting on.

Sure the big city police will do whatever they are told. Here in the country a big percentage of the police are hunters, ie would have to disarm themselves and all their relatives.

A friend was in zim yesterday and indicates that mugabe has arbitrarily raised fuel prices 3-fold.

I don't get the logic... it seems that he's doing everything he can to intentionally instigate riots. Is that part of his plan? To do everything he can to bring mayhem and then to squash all opposition once and for all under the guise chaos?

Just after Gulf War II I was sitting in a bar in Mozambiique and was yelled at by a couple of Zimbies that the West wouldn't help deal with Mugabe because he had no oil. I asked why they hadn't given a good local shot a sensible rifle (anyone care to specify ideal?)and an arbitrarily large sum of money to remove Mugabe. Answer was "we didn't think it would get that bad". 2 years ago starvation of Matabele people would tend to my eyes to indicate they were wrong. Last year even worse. This year attacks on whites after elections in Harare for no ostensible reason began. This is simply what I have observed myself.
By now I do not think there are enough police or military left herer after Blair's cuts to kick in doors of even those with registered firearms and for sure not enough even to start dealing with the unregistered ones.
Last week had unusual sight on Solent (south coast waterway between mainland and Isle of Wight) of aircraft carriers from 4 nations: France, Spain, US and UK.Terrifying thought that the French one was biggest, nuclear and it was a commemoration of Trafalgar!
Best wishes from Blairistan
Robert

rdash

Don't worry about the French carrier. It has had difficulty moving under its own power in the past. I suspect its use will be limited to evacuating French nationals from former colonies in Africa, and as advertising for the French defense industry contractors looking to sell goods to third world countries.

Rdash: If the French CVN was the biggest there, then we (US) did not have a carrier present. All of our Nimitz class CVNs are 95 thousand tons or bigger, which is over twice the size of the French. Our smallest is the Kennedy and that grosess 87k tons. Having just retuned from Zimbabwe, I posted my views over on the Hunting Report section. Suffice to say, Mugabe's ruined a wonderful place and he just can't go on forever. jorge

I wouldn't worry if their carrier was twice the size of ours. They don't have a plane worth a damn to put on it. Super Etendard my ass!

1.

1. Oops!
2. Yup; prop fell off on trials;
3. USS Saipan (LHD-1 class)
4. Rafale-N/E2C Hawkeye
5. I thought I could worry about my children a little less after school and university. Wrong; they live in London.
Regards
Robert

LHD does not a CV (or CVN) make. It's an amphibious assault ship that carries helicpoters and those "toy" jets called Harriers. If it doesn't carry a composite air wing, catapults or arresting gear, it ain't a carrier. jorge

Better a "toy" jet that a flying death trap like a Super Etendard. (or maybe it's just French pilots)