Dear guests

This is an uncluttered clear map of Africa from the (Africa Travel Channel) showing the main Southern Africa countries.



Regards, Peter

Thanks for posting the map. I was watching the American Hunter show on TV and they had a group of ladies going hunting in the Eastern Cape. The show opened with an image of a very old map of Africa - got any cool links to something like that?

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Originally posted by Cazador humilde:
Thanks for posting the map. I was watching the American Hunter show on TV and they had a group of ladies going hunting in the Eastern Cape. The show opened with an image of a very old map of Africa - got any cool links to something like that?

Yes this has some very old maps

OLD MAPS - AFRICA

Cheers, Peter

Thank you sir.

Thanks, a clear map of course for South-Africa

Some guys will complain, those from Gambia, Guinea Bissau, Equ Guinea , Liberia, Sierra Leone, Benin, Burkina, West Sahara, Tunisia, Djibouti and Erythrea, let alone the islanders from Reunion, St Helen, Cabo verde, Zanzibar.....

In this day and age we cant keep all the people happy, there willalways be some that are complaining.

That is UNFORTUNATELY the price we pay for democracy, we will still end up maybe having nearly half the population unhappy.

Maybe a (dictatorship is much better) as then there is no arguement with the results, the dictator has the fianl say.(-:

I am personally (leaning towards saying) democracy is a (failing system) especially in the USA where they say it is democratic when what we see unfolding now is a democracy where all people have a vote BUT the ruling party becomes a (quasi dictatorship) It is a magical democracy where the people are stupid enough to be conned into thinking they have a democracy when it is only one man one vote with a 50 50 split.

In Africa when that 50 50 split occurs the WEST expects them to form a UNITY GOVERNMENT to keep the peace, but in the USA it is a winner takes all and 50% of the people mostly seem to be ignored !!!

CORECT me If I am wrong,

I am getting a bit confused as to what we mean in the West by democracy, why does the USA not form a unity government where it is split 50 50 or 48 52 whatever the popular vote is, is that not much more reprentitive than the crazy winner takes all system used, or am I proposing something too radical !!

Regards, Peter

Peter, as flawed as our system is you are wrong. This system built the greratest nation civilized society has known. At the present time things may be in a bit of a shitter, but we will arise stronger than ever inspite of the misdirection our leaders are taking us. It is only 32 months until our next election for congress. Which is a co-equal branch of our government. They do not form a unity government and then elect the leader from the most powerful party, by promises to the members of the "unity".

Why is it that there are so many people wanting to immagrate to the USA and so few wanting to shed their USA citizenship?

I see you list New Zealand as one of you home bases (I guess that would be the proper terrm) can you tell me why it is apparently the norm for most young people from there to do their time abroad (a couple of years) to work and then return to NZ. Could have anything to do with work opportunities? Just asking not pissing.

Our's is NOT a democracy but a Republic. A very big difference.

Sam

Sam,

Serves you right for abandoning the Empire!

Before anyone jumps on me........ that gentlemen, was a JOKE!

Still think yourelf lucky, we've got that one eyed Scottish idiot Gordon Brown! - And he's another joke!

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Originally posted by Die Ou Jagter:
I see you list New Zealand as one of you home bases (I guess that would be the proper terrm) can you tell me why it is apparently the norm for most young people from there to do their time abroad (a couple of years) to work and then return to NZ. Could have anything to do with work opportunities? Just asking not pissing.

The Old Hunter

I am actually South African born in PE, but have lived in NZ since 1976.

NZ of course being part of the (old commonwealth of nations) and essentialy most of the white people here are mainly from British UK heritage, with Queen Liz therfore technically the Queen of NZ, we have a governer general here whom is our representitive to the queen in mother England.

Therefore we have a long colonial tradition with Britan which enables young people from NZ to do what s termed their OE (overseas experience) in Britan.

The UK allows NZ citizens a two year, it might be three now, (tourist/work visa) enabling them to visit work and generally piss it up in the UK With London normally being a central point for them to gather.

Some do stay in the UK but essentially it is to have fun and games overseas while they are still young and silly as NZ is a bit boring for the yonger people who wants the brightlights !!

Talking a bit more about the USA, I am not as optimistic as you at this point in time, especially as once socialism takes hold, it is a slippery slope, as Shakari will tell you about the UK, they are creeping closer towards socialism as well IMHO.

Just to expouse my views a bit more,

I truly believe Democracy or the democracy we practice in the WEST is doomed, particularily because once the people are given full or cl;ose to full voting democracy the ills of everyone wanting thei view to prevail stuffs up the system, life goes to the dogs, crime get more entrenched and then finally often when it is toooo late the people revolt and a dictatorship takes over.

And finally here is the (real bad news) a democracy can never fully defeat terrorism because we are too scrutinised and have to fight with one hand tied behind our backs and a book of rules longer than my arm, but a dictatorship like Russia can fight terrorism without rules, just like the terrorists do, they have their own rules.

Hi Sam

Yes excuse my mistake, you are a Republic in the USA, but your governemnt/s keep telling the people worldwide that the USA is a shining democracy and wanting to spread democracy around the world. Your system seems to only be democratic in that all can vote, but it ends there, as once your chaps get in power there is a manipulation of freedom.

You are basically a (two party system) where only one party essentialy rules. And then the President appoints people to his executive team whom were NOT VOTED in, how come he can appoint like a dictator, why cant those executive people (rather get voted in as well) that might help to (weed out) some of the plants or deadbeat raving liberals that are there.

Why dont you rather elect the President on the popular vote, then elect ALL the other members house senate and executive branch on a percentage basis of the electral college peoples votes, not a winner takes all system as most of the electral college states are, is that not a much fairer system really, as presently it is not representive, as a percentage vote would gets that percentage of members into power.

I (do hope I am wrong) in many of my assumptions BUT I am not convinced we are heading in the right direction the West

Cheers, Peter

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Originally posted by jbderunz:
Thanks, a clear map of course for South-Africa

Some guys will complain, those from Gambia, Guinea Bissau, Equ Guinea , Liberia, Sierra Leone, Benin, Burkina, West Sahara, Tunisia, Djibouti and Erythrea, let alone the islanders from Reunion, St Helen, Cabo verde, Zanzibar.....

As well they should.

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Originally posted by Sam H. Juckett:
Our's is NOT a democracy but a Republic. A very big difference.

Sam

Balla Balla, I agree with the appointments, but they don't all get rubber stamped. The last few weeks has given some hope i e the various cecretaries which had to withdraw their nominations.

I agree we fight with one hand and four fingers of the other hand tied behind our back.

An eye for an eye would be a good starting point vs the terrorism. Waterboarding is to nice. Just hang the fuckers and be done with them, they won't come back to fuck with us.

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Originally posted by jbderunz:
Thanks, a clear map of course for South-Africa

Some guys will complain, those from Gambia, Guinea Bissau, Equ Guinea , Liberia, Sierra Leone, Benin, Burkina, West Sahara, Tunisia, Djibouti and Erythrea, let alone the islanders from Reunion, St Helen, Cabo verde, Zanzibar.....

Rwanda and Burundi didn't even get an unnamed spot on the map. By the way, Cameroon, Seychelles and Cote d'Ivoire are misspelled. There must be a better map out there.

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Originally posted by Die Ou Jagter:
Balla Balla, I agree with the appointments, but they don't all get rubber stamped. The last few weeks has given some hope i e the various cecretaries which had to withdraw their nominations.

I agree we fight with one hand and four fingers of the other hand tied behind our back.

An eye for an eye would be a good starting point vs the terrorism. Waterboarding is to nice. Just hang the fuckers and be done with them, they won't come back to fuck with us.

I guess there is some check and balance with the appointments beings subject to acceptance BUT when there is a (majority in the senate) then it is close to or virtually a forgone conclusion.

The danger is and it has happined that by the stoke of a pen a person with (suspect tax compliance) can still be appointed to a top job.

I still believe that our so called democracy is a fraud and we the sheep are being conned hook line and sinker to believe it is all kosher and abpve board when we are being taken to the cleaners.

What is actually occuring now is (financial terrorism) on the part of some high flyers whom need to be brought to account. In a dictatorship these people would face the music when our democracy lets them get away with it.

The old saying crime does pay is alive and well

Cheers, Peter

Peter,

Here a link to a site that helps explain what you feel? http://www.poclad.org/

In good hunting.

Andrew McLaren

Balla,
You ask some interesting questions, We don't popular vote because, back in the day we wanted represenative government and all the population that was centered in a small geographic location would elect a president for an entire nation. We will never have a dicatorship here due to the 22nd amendment to our constitution. Obama may try to deem it obsolete and claim we need to keep his rule indefinetly. I strongly beleive in this great nation and its people. What I think will happen is the the middle of the road demoncats (meant) will be pressured by their constituants to not follow this pied piper down the road to a socialist system and he will meet fiece oppostion soon even from his own party, his majority will fail him and the far left will via election cycle regain a role of insignifigance. A true Conservative leader will emerge and we will again be proud of our leaders. If we had a popular vote the president could be elected with the populations of about 5 American cities which tend to be very liberal. The other option we face is a change of governement in the form of a mushroom cloud over a US city not a pretty option but with the appoligist in charge it could happen.
Chipolopolo

Chipolopolo

I do understand that there are (many checks and balances) in the USA electral/governemnt system of politics, it obviously has stood the test of time.

One thing that appears to me to be rather undemocratic and correct me if I am wrong, but the President can pardon anyone at the stroke of a pen, therfore should Bin Laden be caught alive he could (in theory) be pardoned, that is an extreme case BUT there have a been a lot of shady or at the very least questionable pardons. Why is it left to one man.

I guess as you say the people will/might wake up when solialism takes hold, but there is a danger that it may (take hold for long enough) to convince a good percentage of the poorer that it is a good idea to fleece the richer in society to pay more for maintaining the others, which might be the direction the USA is heading !!

I still believe that the only truly fair way to tax a nation is to have a flat tax structure where everyone pays the same persentage, those whom earm more pay more but at the same rate at all others. That prevents any sector of society being told or forced to carry the burden. And all of government representatives at the decision level should be elected, why should the supreme court judges be appointed, why CANT the people elect them on a popular vote as there decisions can effect the entire population

Good luck for the future

Cheers, Peter