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While at DSC last week, Frank Beller and myself stopped at Champlins booth to drool over some fine rifles. JJ Perodeau came over and demonstrated a new idea in shooting sticks that he is importing from France. They are called "Stable Sticks" and are light and compact and the two sticks open out to form an inline W. We tried them using a scoped 416 Rigby and were blown away with how much more stable these are in comparison with the typical African tripod that we have all used before. I know that I would have made some better, more precise shots if I had had them on my two previous safaris. I am rarely impressed with new "Gimmicks" but these sticks are well engineered and solid as can be. I have no affiliation with Mr. Perodeau whatsoever, just wanting to get the word out on a great product! www.jjperodeau.com DRSS(We Band of Bubba's Div.) N.R.A (Life) T.S.R.A (Life) D.S.C. | ||
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The PH at Tholo Safaris in Botswana uses these and they are simple, easy and Very Stable! Vote Trump- Putin’s best friend… To quote a former AND CURRENT Trumpiteer - DUMP TRUMP | |||
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Yes, they're amazing. Mike Dettorre sent me the parts and plans to make some (Thanks Mike!) and I've been really impressed. My first group at 100 yards off of those sticks was under and inch... while standing. I'm definitely going to start carrying them while guiding and work them into my shooting instruction. Kyler | |||
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Headhunter, just click on the link, JJ is in Oklahoma. This is one of those "Why didn't I think of that?" ideas. I was really amazed at how much better they are than regular sticks. Kyler, I have no doubt you shot that well, I feel like they will make a huge improvement in anybody's shooting. DRSS(We Band of Bubba's Div.) N.R.A (Life) T.S.R.A (Life) D.S.C. | |||
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The only thing to me is that they look like they are very limited in height adjustment. That big guy using them looks bent in half. Frank "I don't know what there is about buffalo that frightens me so.....He looks like he hates you personally. He looks like you owe him money." - Robert Ruark, Horn of the Hunter, 1953 NRA Life, SAF Life, CRPA Life, DRSS lite | |||
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I used some that were similar in Romania when hunting stag. Very quick and very stable! Glad to hear they are being imported into the States. On the plains of hesitation lie the bleached bones of ten thousand, who on the dawn of victory lay down their weary heads resting, and there resting, died. If you can talk with crowds and keep your virtue, Or walk with Kings - nor lose the common touch... Yours is the Earth and everything that's in it, And - which is more - you'll be a Man, my son! - Rudyard Kipling Life grows grim without senseless indulgence. | |||
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Frank. I am 6 ft. and they adjusted fine for me, though I did not try for higher. DRSS(We Band of Bubba's Div.) N.R.A (Life) T.S.R.A (Life) D.S.C. | |||
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Like Lee said, these sticks were amazingly stable. Real close to being like shooting off a standing bench. ____________________________ .470 & 9.3X74R Chapuis' Tikka O/U 9.3X74R Searcy Classics 450/.400 3" & .577 C&H .375 2 1/2" Krieghoff .500 NE Member Dallas Safari Club | |||
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I bought two pair. They adjust like the old wooden ones did. Spread the legs. Might be an issue if you were really tall, but I'm not. | |||
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I am 6'3" and had no problem using them... On the plains of hesitation lie the bleached bones of ten thousand, who on the dawn of victory lay down their weary heads resting, and there resting, died. If you can talk with crowds and keep your virtue, Or walk with Kings - nor lose the common touch... Yours is the Earth and everything that's in it, And - which is more - you'll be a Man, my son! - Rudyard Kipling Life grows grim without senseless indulgence. | |||
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You can make a set from 4 wooden six foot dowels for your self in less than $20 and about 15 mins of your your time. If your 6'3" plus your probably don't cut the dowels. If your 5'8"-10" you probably cut 5"-6" off the 6 foot dowels. Mike Legistine actu quod scripsi? Never under estimate the internet community's ability to reply to your post with their personal rant about their tangentially related, single occurrence issue.  What I have learned on AR, since 2001: 1. The proper answer to: Where is the best place in town to get a steak dinner? is…You should go to Mel's Diner and get the fried chicken. 2. Big game animals can tell the difference between .015 of an inch in diameter, 15 grains of bullet weight, and 150 fps. 3. There is a difference in the performance of two identical projectiles launched at the same velocity if they came from different cartridges. 4. While a double rifle is the perfect DGR, every 375HH bolt gun needs to be modified to carry at least 5 down. 5. While a floor plate and detachable box magazine both use a mechanical latch, only the floor plate latch is reliable. Disregard the fact that every modern military rifle uses a detachable box magazine. 6. The Remington 700 is unreliable regardless of the fact it is the basis of the USMC M40 sniper rifle for 40+ years with no changes to the receiver or extractor and is the choice of more military and law enforcement sniper units than any other rifle. 7. PF actions are not suitable for a DGR and it is irrelevant that the M1, M14, M16, & AK47 which were designed for hunting men that can shoot back are all PF actions. 8. 95 deg F in Africa is different than 95 deg F in TX or CA and that is why you must worry about ammunition temperature in Africa (even though most safaris take place in winter) but not in TX or in CA. 9. The size of a ding in a gun's finish doesn't matter, what matters is whether it’s a safe ding or not. 10. 1 in a row is a trend, 2 in a row is statistically significant, and 3 in a row is an irrefutable fact. 11. Never buy a WSM or RCM cartridge for a safari rifle or your go to rifle in the USA because if they lose your ammo you can't find replacement ammo but don't worry 280 Rem, 338-06, 35 Whelen, and all Weatherby cartridges abound in Africa and back country stores. 12. A well hit animal can run 75 yds. in the open and suddenly drop with no initial blood trail, but the one I shot from 200 yds. away that ran 10 yds. and disappeared into a thicket and was not found was lost because the bullet penciled thru. I am 100% certain of this even though I have no physical evidence. 13. A 300 Win Mag is a 500 yard elk cartridge but a 308 Win is not a 300 yard elk cartridge even though the same bullet is travelling at the same velocity at those respective distances. | |||
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I used them on my last safari with Mokore. Neil Duckworth has switched to them and they are extremely stable. Totally eliminates and horizontal sway | |||
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Mike: Might be time to edit this part.  Sorry. I just couldn't resist.  | |||
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Talk about a Freudian slip Mike Legistine actu quod scripsi? Never under estimate the internet community's ability to reply to your post with their personal rant about their tangentially related, single occurrence issue. What I have learned on AR, since 2001: 1. The proper answer to: Where is the best place in town to get a steak dinner? is…You should go to Mel's Diner and get the fried chicken. 2. Big game animals can tell the difference between .015 of an inch in diameter, 15 grains of bullet weight, and 150 fps. 3. There is a difference in the performance of two identical projectiles launched at the same velocity if they came from different cartridges. 4. While a double rifle is the perfect DGR, every 375HH bolt gun needs to be modified to carry at least 5 down. 5. While a floor plate and detachable box magazine both use a mechanical latch, only the floor plate latch is reliable. Disregard the fact that every modern military rifle uses a detachable box magazine. 6. The Remington 700 is unreliable regardless of the fact it is the basis of the USMC M40 sniper rifle for 40+ years with no changes to the receiver or extractor and is the choice of more military and law enforcement sniper units than any other rifle. 7. PF actions are not suitable for a DGR and it is irrelevant that the M1, M14, M16, & AK47 which were designed for hunting men that can shoot back are all PF actions. 8. 95 deg F in Africa is different than 95 deg F in TX or CA and that is why you must worry about ammunition temperature in Africa (even though most safaris take place in winter) but not in TX or in CA. 9. The size of a ding in a gun's finish doesn't matter, what matters is whether it’s a safe ding or not. 10. 1 in a row is a trend, 2 in a row is statistically significant, and 3 in a row is an irrefutable fact. 11. Never buy a WSM or RCM cartridge for a safari rifle or your go to rifle in the USA because if they lose your ammo you can't find replacement ammo but don't worry 280 Rem, 338-06, 35 Whelen, and all Weatherby cartridges abound in Africa and back country stores. 12. A well hit animal can run 75 yds. in the open and suddenly drop with no initial blood trail, but the one I shot from 200 yds. away that ran 10 yds. and disappeared into a thicket and was not found was lost because the bullet penciled thru. I am 100% certain of this even though I have no physical evidence. 13. A 300 Win Mag is a 500 yard elk cartridge but a 308 Win is not a 300 yard elk cartridge even though the same bullet is travelling at the same velocity at those respective distances. | |||
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I'm 6' 4" and used the sticks as their original 6' material length. They work fine. I've had someone 5' 7" try them and - just like regular sticks - you open them up a bit more when you want them lower. You can just about use them as one-size-fits-all if you don't cut them off and leave the sticks the full 6'. Funny story: A client that came to my shooting school was really impressed with what I taught him using the 2 legged style of sticks. The guy was really mechanical so he started making his own sets. He came back later for a hunt and brought me a really nice set he'd made as a gift. The trouble is this gentleman is maybe 5' 4" so he cut them way down. I can use them better kneeling than standing.... They're the nicest set of sticks I own, but I literally only take them when I'm guiding or instructing kids. If he just would have left the material the full 6' (that he mentioned it was when he purchased it) I could have used them for nearly everyone by adjusting the angle of the legs. | |||
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The sticks are better made to suit your normal standing shooting position,the taller you are the longer the sticks. Don't make the rear v support too long as it will get in the way when sighting. Some have a leather cradle across the rear v support to allow for a little sideways adjustment. Mine were made by a friend from scrap golf flagsticks which are fibre glass. They are also a good walking aid when required, still using them twenty years later. jc [URL  [/URL] https://www.bing.com/images/se...8405&selectedIndex=0 I use these instead of the traditional rubber band to hinge them. | |||
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Interesting. Seems they would indeed be very stable, as the eliminate the pivot point of the rifle on the forend. My only concern with them would be how they handle uneven terrain - e.g. if you're shooting up or downhill at an animal at a different elevation. I know their intended environment is largely flat, but one has to wonder. _____________________________________________________ No safe queens! | |||
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I bought one a long time ago because I'm French too. Good shooting stick but if you have the opportunity, look at the Viper-flex that comes from Denmark. It's a bit heavier but it's more steady than the 4Stableticks because its legs are thicker and stiffer. Since my Viper-flex is at home, I don't use the 4Stablesticks anymore. https://www.viper-flex.com/home/ | |||
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I’ve used them on safari and requested the PH go back to conventional sticks as these aren’t very good on unstable terrain and take far to long to get into for a shot. Missed out on a real nice kudu because of these sticks!!! Good ole Zim tripod sticks is the quickest and best in my experience. | |||
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I use "Quad Sticks" on all my hunts now in the UK whilst guiding. I don't think you can beat them... yes some clients struggle to come to terms with them straight away however once steady on them its as good as prone stood up. If you buy a set and practice getting comfortable with them you will learn to shoot quick off them too. I have tried several different brands which are available in Europe including "stable stick" if I am honest they are ok. If you are sub 6ft they will probably do the trick however taller guys they do become a bit wobbly when you extend them right out. I use a wooden set now for clients however these are no good for travelling. I now travel with Viper Flex (travel set). They are heavier but they are extremely well made and there is no flex in the legs even when fully extended. Alex Alex Nielsen | |||
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Here in the UK we call them quad sticks. Most stalkers will have a set. 4 plastic bean stakes and strips of rubber inner tube. Made for about £10 inc time. Height adjustment is as simple as spreading the legs. Put your middle fingers together and call them one and two, put your index fingers together and call them three four.Tape the tops of one and two and also three and four to create two V's for gun rests, then tape the bottoms of one and three and two and four towards the bottom, no V required et voila quadsticks. They can be spread from sitting, to kneeling to standing on most surfaces. Further development can involve steel tips or rubber walking cane fittings on the bottoms depending on terrain. | |||
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I use the green garden stakes from Walmart that are 6ish feet some inches long and a little bit of camo duct tape. I love mine. They are an antelope hunters best friend. | |||
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