Leaving Wednesday for Zim overnighting in City Lodge

Hope you have a great trip, Mike!

Have fun Mike... see you will be around for the MCWS. Good luck from a fighting' Texas Aggie! Oh, and enjoy your safari.

Heading to my son's house soon to watch the game. Go tigers!!

Michael, intend on shooting a buff with my 500A2. 570 grn X makes them sick quick!

Geaux Tigers! They’ve got a great Head Coach in Jay Johnson. Great guy and damned good baseball coach whom I’ve known from his West Coast days.

Safe travels and good hunting!

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Originally posted by MLindsay:
Michael, intend on shooting a buff with my 500A2. 570 grn X makes them sick quick!

Excellent! I’ll be following you a few months later with mine using the same bullets.

Sitting in City Lodge drinking coffee. Nice flight with Delta, definitely like Premium Select!

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Originally posted by MLindsay:
Michael, intend on shooting a buff with my 500A2. 570 grn X makes them sick quick!

My 375/404 and 300 grain Walterhogs kills them on the spot!

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Originally posted by Saeed:

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Originally posted by MLindsay:
Michael, intend on shooting a buff with my 500A2. 570 grn X makes them sick quick!

My 375/404 and 300 grain Walterhogs kills them on the spot!

My bet still stands, Saeed.

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Originally posted by Michael Robinson:

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Originally posted by Saeed:

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Originally posted by MLindsay:
Michael, intend on shooting a buff with my 500A2. 570 grn X makes them sick quick!

My 375/404 and 300 grain Walterhogs kills them on the spot!

My bet still stands, Saeed.

What is the bet?

Two hunters, one of them using a .500 A-Square and the other a .375/.404 Jeffery, and each of them using loads and bullets of his own choosing, go on safari.

Not necessarily the same safari but can and maybe should be the same general area to better assure the same conditions.

Each hunter shoots at least three Cape buffalo in the engine room - shoulder/heart/lung area. No CNS shots are allowed, but it is fine to hit bones, other than the spinal column.

PH has a stopwatch which he clicks on bullet impact and doesn't click again until the buff is down on the ground for good.

Not necessarily dead, but down for the count.

Fastest average time to incapacitation wins.

Loser pays the winner's license and trophy fees.

Mike, did you take a stopwatch?

Would buy a ticket to watch this…….

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Originally posted by Michael Robinson:
Two hunters, one of them using a .500 A-Square and the other a .375/.404 Jeffery, and each of them using loads and bullets of his own choosing, go on safari.

Not necessarily the same safari but can and maybe should be the same general area to better assure the same conditions.

Each hunter shoots at least three Cape buffalo in the engine room - shoulder/heart/lung area. No CNS shots are allowed, but it is fine to hit bones, other than the spinal column.

PH has a stopwatch which he clicks on bullet impact and doesn't click again until the buff is down on the ground for good.

Not necessarily dead, but down for the count.

Fastest average time to incapacitation wins.

Loser pays the winner's license and trophy fees.

Mike, did you take a stopwatch?

Typical lawyer!

Making your own rules as you go along.

Why limit the shots to any specific area?

Do the buffalo you shoot always stand the way you want them?

Mine don't, and I have learned a long time ago to hit them where I know it will cause serious damage.

Hasn't failed me so far, and even my professional hunter who used to carry the biggest rifle he can, and always complained about me using what he called "minimum" caliber, has come around to my way of thinking.

I asked him why.

His answer was "because your gun just works!"

Designed from day one for buffalo.

I am gonna need some Walterhogs for my 416.


They sound like just the ticket.

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Originally posted by Saeed:

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Originally posted by Michael Robinson:
Two hunters, one of them using a .500 A-Square and the other a .375/.404 Jeffery, and each of them using loads and bullets of his own choosing, go on safari.

Not necessarily the same safari but can and maybe should be the same general area to better assure the same conditions.

Each hunter shoots at least three Cape buffalo in the engine room - shoulder/heart/lung area. No CNS shots are allowed, but it is fine to hit bones, other than the spinal column.

PH has a stopwatch which he clicks on bullet impact and doesn't click again until the buff is down on the ground for good.

Not necessarily dead, but down for the count.

Fastest average time to incapacitation wins.

Loser pays the winner's license and trophy fees.

Mike, did you take a stopwatch?

Typical lawyer!

Making your own rules as you go along.

Why limit the shots to any specific area?

Do the buffalo you shoot always stand the way you want them?

Mine don't, and I have learned a long time ago to hit them where I know it will cause serious damage.

Hasn't failed me so far, and even my professional hunter who used to carry the biggest rifle he can, and always complained about me using what he called "minimum" caliber, has come around to my way of thinking.

I asked him why.

His answer was "because your gun just works!"

Designed from day one for buffalo.

Typical small-bore advocate!

It works when it works!

I could brain shoot them all day long with 5.56x45mm AP rounds!

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Originally posted by Michael Robinson:

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Originally posted by Saeed:

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Originally posted by Michael Robinson:
Two hunters, one of them using a .500 A-Square and the other a .375/.404 Jeffery, and each of them using loads and bullets of his own choosing, go on safari.

Not necessarily the same safari but can and maybe should be the same general area to better assure the same conditions.

Each hunter shoots at least three Cape buffalo in the engine room - shoulder/heart/lung area. No CNS shots are allowed, but it is fine to hit bones, other than the spinal column.

PH has a stopwatch which he clicks on bullet impact and doesn't click again until the buff is down on the ground for good.

Not necessarily dead, but down for the count.

Fastest average time to incapacitation wins.

Loser pays the winner's license and trophy fees.

Mike, did you take a stopwatch?

Typical lawyer!

Making your own rules as you go along.

Why limit the shots to any specific area?

Do the buffalo you shoot always stand the way you want them?

Mine don't, and I have learned a long time ago to hit them where I know it will cause serious damage.

Hasn't failed me so far, and even my professional hunter who used to carry the biggest rifle he can, and always complained about me using what he called "minimum" caliber, has come around to my way of thinking.

I asked him why.

His answer was "because your gun just works!"

Designed from day one for buffalo.

Typical small-bore advocate!

It works when it works!

I could brain shoot them all day long with 5.56x45mm AP rounds!

Mike,

Lets us get into real life buffalo hunting.

And please don't think for a minute that I am bragging, just stating facts.

How many buffalo have you shot with your canon?

I think I can safely say that I have shot a few more with my "small bore" dinky toy little rifle.

In every part of their anatomy, and every single one died without giving us any hassles.

Might be due to the black "dawa" I put on my bullets - honestly, our trackers think these bullets kill by magic!

Saw a bull running into the bush once, stopped the truck and jumped out.

Alan pointed out a black patch in the forest, saying it was him.

I hardly got onto the sticks as he took off.

I fired anyway1

And said "bloody hell, Not sure of THAT shot"

Both Robert and Nuni were laughing as we ran after the buffalo, saying "KOFA! KOFA!"

Alan told them I wasn't sure of my shot.

Nothing deterred them, still laughing and looking at blood on the ground, adding "Saeedi dawa. Kofa!"

Sure enough, the bull was stone dead about 70 yards from where he was shot.

Keep it up boys and, you are BOTH going to find out what one of these big black sons a bitches looks like when he's coming straight to you after your perfect shot!

Over 40 years of hunting them.

So far I have been very lucky.

Actually, I am not worried about the one I shoot.

It is the one wounded by others or a lion lurking behind a bush without my knowledge!

The vast majority of buffs shot in Africa are shot in the chest cavity. Saeed the bet is not that you can not kill them with a chest shot it is how fast do they drop and stay down.
Also based on my level of income I have taken all I can afford. They same is not true of you.

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Originally posted by mbogobutch:
Keep it up boys and, you are BOTH going to find out what one of these big black sons a bitches looks like when he's coming straight to you after your perfect shot!

Precisely why one should use the heaviest caliber DGR he can shoot well and accurately!

I should add, however, that one solid hit in the boiler room with a 570 grain X-bullet at 2,500 fps of MV and 8,000 ft.-lbs. of ME will absolutely slap all the fight right out of any Cape buffalo on earth.

Four times, at ranges of from 15 to 50 yards, I have knocked Cape buffalo off their feet using that load in my .500 A-Square. And never in any other case have they run farther than spitting distance before breaking down for good.

Of course, until they realize they are truly dead, I always keep ventilating them with more bullets.

Sorry Saeed, I have plenty of witnesses, but even though I'm a lawyer, I didn't get any affidavits.

My rifle is heavy in caliber and weight, at about 12 lbs. fully loaded. Every PH I have ever had has asked me if I wanted one of the trackers to carry it for me.

I have always refused. I believe that when hunting DG, the rifle belongs in my hands.

A PH who shall remain nameless told me once that my rifle was heavy enough for a drive shaft on a Land Cruiser!

After I knocked down - literally - two Cape buffalo in a matter of seconds with one shoulder shot each, he said:

"Well, Mike, it's heavy, but I guess we have proven that it works on buffalo!"

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Originally posted by MLindsay:
The vast majority of buffs shot in Africa are shot in the chest cavity. Saeed the bet is not that you can not kill them with a chest shot it is how fast do they drop and stay down.

Exactly right, Mike!

I think Saeed likes to run after animals after he shoots them.

Saeed, you can chase them if you want as much as you want.

Some of us prefer to just walk up to them - dead on the ground - right where we shot them.

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Originally posted by Michael Robinson:

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Originally posted by MLindsay:
The vast majority of buffs shot in Africa are shot in the chest cavity. Saeed the bet is not that you can not kill them with a chest shot it is how fast do they drop and stay down.

Exactly right, Mike!

I think Saeed likes to run after animals after he shoots them.

Saeed, you can chase them if you want as much as you want.

Some of us prefer to just walk up to them - dead on the ground - right where we shot them.

May be that is why I do 35 kilometer a day walking hunting!

walter used to say het gets dizzy just watching me avoid sitting still!