FYI...for those flying out of DFW, on Qatar anyway, CBP is calling passengers aside at the gate and asking for firearms export permits, a 4457 seems to get you thru at this point. They currently have two other hunters pulled aside and I’m next in line...

They skipped me!

Like a dumbass, I asked. I wasn’t checked because I’ve flown out of DFW with the same firearm numerous times.0

Also, CBP guy said that the export permit requirement is soon to be enforced at all airports. Currently only at DFW.

Hmm. Another few weeks before I fly out, will want to see how this develops.

You need it to bring it back so not a huge deal I guess. Just another hassle of many hassles. Where you going ?

I got a permit to bring my rifle into Bulgaria from Bulgaria.

I got a Form 4457 (which my local Customs guys at NK/Cincinnati Airport always make a point of telling me is not a permit).

Do I need something else. Fly out in 4 weeks.

Is this that damn Registration thing tat got rolled out and discontinued a few years ago.

Export permit? I though that was on hold.

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Originally posted by LHeym500:
I got a permit to bring my rifle into Bulgaria from Bulgaria.

I got a Form 4457 (which my local Customs guys at NK/Cincinnati Airport always make a point of telling me is not a permit).

Do I need something else. Fly out in 4 weeks.

Is this that damn Registration thing tat got rolled out and discontinued a few years ago.

I’m curious, what are you hunting in Bulgaria? It sounds interesting.

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Originally posted by K Evans:
Like a dumbass, I asked. I wasn’t checked because I’ve flown out of DFW with the same firearm numerous times.0

If they know this...they have been keeping records for a while.

The first 4457 I got (very early 2000’s)...they wrote nothing down...just said the form was only for me...they had no interest. Somewhere between 2010 and 2015...that changed.

My recent experience: before boarding my flight to Dubai in July, they paged me then took me to a small room by the departure gate and then took cell phone photos of my 4457s.

So those photos then must go into some data base?

Who really knows what is going on?

https://help.cbp.gov/app/answe...9zaWQvajY3OVBCbm8%3D

Need for a Temporary Export Permit ---Not on CBP site ---yet

Also,
BATFE has NO Temporary Export forms

There IS a Temporary Import Form

https://www.atf.gov/file/61581/download

EDIT:
QIZ, SECOND Link down says:
Will you be transporing a rifle, pistol, or ammuntion?
Transportation of a rifle, pistol, or ammunition requires:

An export license from the U.S. Department of State's Directorate of Defense Trade Controls is required.
Anyone who falls into this category MUST file the electronic export information in AESDirect.
For more information, read the official federal regulation.
ADD:
https://www.ice.gov/cpi/faq

https://www.ice.gov/cpi/quiz

https://www.ecfr.gov/cgi-bin/t...=div5#se22.1.123_117

https://www.census.gov/foreign...transitiontoace.html

https://www.ecfr.gov/cgi-bin/t...%3A2.1.3.4.25.0.1.14

Yep, they said the regulation had been out for a few years but hadn’t been enforced. Said due to the number of guns leaving (DFW in particular) that it’s being enforced there and will expand to other airports soon. I guess too many rifles staying with PH’s.
Two things struck me: one, they were aware I had traveled with this particular rifle several times (always brought it back, too) and I wasn’t checked. Two, they found the two other guys in the crowd, no announcement, so they had to have had a photo. The guns not returning thing seems like an excuse to me.
I hope it doesn’t spread but I won’t be surprised if it does. I guess next trip I’ll do the export permit thing.

I got a 4457 form issued yesterday. I made a point to ask the officer he said he had not heard of any export permit requirement! This is in NY.

Three months ago, my local CBP agent in Ontario, California, checked for any updates on the need for an export permit other than a 4457. She said that there was nothing new, and the 4457 was all that was necessary. It is a very strong possibility that the export permit requirement could be re-instated without any warning, however.

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Originally posted by K Evans:
...they said the regulation had been out for a few years but hadn’t been enforced.

In my experience (when dealing with any Gov't agency,) the answer you get can vary with who you ask.

Having said that, what I suspect they are referring to is the registration of your leaving the country with your firearm.

If you recall, that came up a few years back, and CPB wanted each individual to register an EIN, etc... that was changed.

NOW... when you get your 4457, they do make some sort of notation of when you're leaving, flight, etc...

The intent is to ensure that firearms you leave with actually get back home. To "leave one behind" is the same as permanently exporting one without an export license (regulated by Dept of State.)

Sounds like the Gov't employee was using the wrong terms.

I came INTO DFW about 5 weeks ago with two shotguns and I heard the same story about an EIN. After a lot of BS, I almost missed my connecting flight, the CBP officer said that it was not a requirement yet. OK, so while hold me up for 50 min??

Interestingly when I came in at DFW I checked in via GOES computers and was refused, went to CBP officer at desk and he said "Are you traveling with firearms?" I said yes, he put my passport in a locked plastic box and handed it back to me and said proceed. There after I was in delay hell. No way to get it out till I had checked in at red zone. ugh!

My understanding is that you are allowed to take a firearm for 90 days abroad, so if you come back after 30 w/o because you are going again what can they do? Also if I own a gun in EU and have it legally imported in the US why could I not leave it there for 8 months?

I guess this is going to take some sorting......

If you don’t think Big Brother is watching you- THINK AGAIN!

Leaving out of DFW on Emirates in 17 days. Will set aside a little extra time in case things go sideways. Have new 4457, pre-clearance with SAPS (overnight in Jo'Burg), pre-clearance with Emirates, letter of invitation, etc. etc. Figure patience, a calm demeanor, and copies of the relevant regs will be helpful.

And a nice adult beverage once on board !!

Last year when I went to Moz on Emirates out of DFW I wanted to check my rifle through to Tete as there was only a 3 hour layover at JoBurg. I checked with the travel agent, Emirates, etc and was assured there was no problem. When the Emirates limo dropped me off at the Emirates ticket counter the gate agent informed me they could not check the rifle through to Tete. As the flight left I was able to get a call to the Kwalata SA office and they arranged for Henry to meet me at Joburg and we were rapidly able to get through the import process quickly. Interesting, on the way back the riflw was checked from Tete to DFW even though I was spending the night in JoBurg.

It should also be noted that the president of Emirates, Sir Tim Clark; is anti sport hunting. On the flight to Dubai I listened to an interview of the Sir Clark where he noted Emirates no longer shipped hunting trophies and he stated "trophy hunting makes no sense ... outright slaughter ... no right to do anything like that".

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Originally posted by DCS Member:

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Originally posted by LHeym500:
I got a permit to bring my rifle into Bulgaria from Bulgaria.

I got a Form 4457 (which my local Customs guys at NK/Cincinnati Airport always make a point of telling me is not a permit).

Do I need something else. Fly out in 4 weeks.

Is this that damn Registration thing tat got rolled out and discontinued a few years ago.

I’m curious, what are you hunting in Bulgaria? It sounds interesting.

Re Deer and Mouflon.

NewGuy has outlined the registration I was referring to. Does any know if the current administration is getting set to enforce it?

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Originally posted by Ludo Wurfbain:
I came INTO DFW about 5 weeks ago with two shotguns and I heard the same story about an EIN. After a lot of BS, I almost missed my connecting flight, the CBP officer said that it was not a requirement yet. OK, so while hold me up for 50 min??

Interestingly when I came in at DFW I checked in via GOES computers and was refused, went to CBP officer at desk and he said "Are you traveling with firearms?" I said yes, he put my passport in a locked plastic box and handed it back to me and said proceed. There after I was in delay hell. No way to get it out till I had checked in at red zone. ugh!

My understanding is that you are allowed to take a firearm for 90 days abroad, so if you come back after 30 w/o because you are going again what can they do? Also if I own a gun in EU and have it legally imported in the US why could I not leave it there for 8 months?

I guess this is going to take some sorting......

Guys from all the post I read the the EIN registration from a Obama’s last years is being tire kicked by this administration. We screamed bloody murder when the Obama Administration introduced this, and got implication delayed.

This needs addressed by organized hunting and NRA.

Form 4457s listing firearms are not suppose to be kept by any agency.

So I wasn't crazy...they picked on me and wouldn't even gife me a 4457 without the EIN. All as discussed in my other thread.

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Originally posted by Charles_Helm:
So I wasn't crazy...they picked on me and wouldn't even gife me a 4457 without the EIN. All as discussed in my other thread.

I guess the real question is how do we register for EIN?

Or the real question is why this now....

I agree with you on that. I’ll take the current administration over the Dems, but he sure makes it hard. Hunters and firearm owners are giving him to much of a pass. If a Dem had done and said the things about hunting and firearms ownership he has we would be screaming like our hair was on fire.

Elephant and lion CITIES permits not being issued or even ruled upon;
Administratively banning bump stocks (I do not like them, but we would not let a Dem do that);
“Universal” background checks and red flag laws;
Calling Sport Hunting disgusting;
Now reviving EIN which appears to require registration of owner, rifle, and serial number which could be used for national confiscation if the Federal Government so chose in the future.

I think he should take some blame for National CCW reciprocity and deregulation of suppressors failing when both Chambers were controlled by Republicans. However, I conceded that was mostly Paul Ryan.

All things the prior Administration would be lit on fire for here.

Could things be worse. You bet. But things are not well. I do feel lied to on these issues.

For at least the last half dozen years, all the information on Form 4457 has been entered into the CBP computer system. Any and all rifles on those 4457s are already registered with the Feds. I have spoken to everybody I can think of, and nobody seems to give a damn about it. The EIN does little that has not already been done.