A friend sent me a link to a forum wher they discussed one of our videos.



The amount of knowledge shown is absolutely staggering



1. Click here to see the video. File is almost 2.5MB in size. So unless you have a fast connection you'll have to be patient (worth it I think, if you want a good laugh). Also, if this clip crashes RealPlayer on your computer (like it does on mine), try Windows Media Player.



Never heard of this gun until today. I think it's a Searcy (sp?) .577 double rifle, also known as the T-Rex??? Apparently, a character in Spielberg's latest movie kills a T-Rex with it.



2. Ahmed took quite a beating, for those who are realtime-deprived. The barrel actually broke the door behind him, and clutching his shoulder he tried unsuccessfully to get out of the test facility. The film stopped there. I couldn't make out what rifle he was using, but from its effect I'd estimate it ought to be mounted in a tracked vehicle. It didn't look like he was holding it off his shoulder, either. Ow ow ow...



Reminds me of a friend of mine (don't worry, Roy, I won't mention your name) with a .22 rifle, a 12-gauge shotgun, and a 90-lb wife. Said wife was quite proficient with the .22 and he had told her that the 12-gauge felt exactly the same, figuring that she'd only ever use it in a home defense situation where the little lie would not make a difference. Problem is, she really believed that practice was necessary and took the shotgun out by herself.



He slept on the couch for two weeks thereafter...



3. He slept on the couch for two weeks thereafter...



LOL. Never lie to your wife. It'll backfire every time.



After Wooley_Mammoth's posting, I'm beginning to wonder if this gun isn't the 700 Nitro Express. If not, can you imagine the recoil on that puppy?



4. I want a Thompson Contender chambered in 700 Nitro Express.... <8^0



Saw a reloading manual that had recoil specs for all the different calibers, expressed with a 30-06 being 1.0. A .243 Rem. rated about 0.8 on the recoil. The .700 N.E. weighed in at something like 9.4!



5. Here's where it came from. There are a good number of other amusing clips.



Bunch of crazy Arabs



I envy them...



6. I don't get it. What's the context of this video? Who is Ahmed and why is he shooting a "big gun" inside a building?



What's this all about?



7. Looks like Ahmed is at a private indoor firing range in an office. He fires this rifle and the recoil sends him and the rifle flying backwards. The rifle cracks the glass door behind him and Ahmed falls on the floor. He tries to get up while muttering something like "Billy Bob! Billy Bob!" His buddies who were watching are all amused to say the least



8. This is a clip from Saudi television. It was on the news in Riyadh (quite a while ago). The facility is the Ministry of the Interior, Firearms testing labratory. They test-fire any weapon that will be offered for sale in KSA (Kingdom of Saudi Arabia). The dude getting the shellacking was advertised as being the leading authority on ballistics in KSA.



Semper Fi



9. Who is Ahmed and why is he shooting a "big gun" inside a building?



Don't know who Ahmed is, but I swear I know that guy in the background. Went to grad school with him. A mechanical engineer



10. The dude getting the shellacking was advertised as being the leading authority on ballistics in KSA



LOL, the dude became a Pop-Tart! He probably was used to the 5.56 and wasn't ready for the Hell-Glock!



11. About the biggest thing that is easily available is the 460 Weatherby Magnum. Judging from the length of the bolt on that video and the thickness of the barrel, this might be something huge from Eastern Europe. Don't the Poles have something that's quite a bit more powerful that a 50 BMG?



12. He's hollering, "Window's broke! Window's broke!" He means the window in the glass door.



The Nitro Express series of calibers (.477, .577, .600, and .700) were intended for shooting elephants. The thing about elephants is that they have low blood pressure and huge blood volume, so if you shoot one "through the boiler room," it can take him so long to die that you'll never find him. Therefore, standard practice for elephant hunters is the head shot.



The problem with a head shot, though, is that an elephant's skull is much larger than its brain: its brain sits in a suspension system built from something very like styrofoam. If you use a normal high-penetration big-game caliber to shoot an elephant in the head, and the bullet zips right through the styrofoam without touching the brain, the elephant may very well come right over and settle your hash for you.



The objective, then, is to use a caliber designed so that when the bullet strikes, enough energy will be expended on the skull so that even if the brain isn't struck, the shock will knock the elephant unconscious. Then, if you've arranged things properly, you can sneak in and fix it so that he wakes up dead.



That means a lot of power, but it also means a bullet that is wide and comparatively light, so that it won't penetrate through and through, but will spend all its energy inside the skull and lodge there rather than penetrating through and carrying a significant chunk of its energy off with it out the other side.



Hence the Nitro Express calibers. They're large straight-wall cartridges, a little longer than shotgun shells, with soft round-nose lead bullets. They look very much like Granddaddy 45/70 cartridges.



The smallest one is technically called the .477 Tyrannosaur, which is why the folks at www.accuratereloading.com call the rifle that fires it the T-Rex for short. Nitro Express guns were traditionally heavy hinge-action double rifles (looks like a side-by-side double-barrelled shotgun until you get up close), but the one in the video looks like a bolt gun built around a heavy long action (perhaps an Enfield?).



In the Western Hemisphere, the Nitro Express calibers are useful mostly for spending a lot of money on and making embarrassing videos with. I can't think of anything on this side of the world that couldn't be killed just as dead by the much cheaper .338 Winchester Magnum. Even the mighty 50BMG, a military caliber used in the famous Browning M2 Heavy Machine Gun, and considerably more powerful than the Tyrannosaur, is cheaper--although it would not be as effective on elephants as the Tyrannosaur because of its bullet design.



13. The gun you are talking about is a Buck Searcy double rifle. The caliber is .600 Nitro Express, and you can find pictures of that very rifle used in the Spielberg movie Lost World by going to yahoo.com and typing in .600 nitro express and then clicking on the link that starts out searcy double rifles. Its about the third link. It is a beautiful gun. I have fired the .700 nitro express. It's a real experience, but I don't recommend it unless you have full insurance! But the character in the movie with that rifle didn't actually get to kill the T-Rex with it. A naturalist jerk pulled the bullets out of the cases in order to keep the hunter from killing the T-Rex.



14. Here is an update. In case you don't know where that video came from, I located the sourse just now. It came from accuratereloading.com. They have a ton of other videos, and they give the background of the rifle shown in this video. Just FYI



15. Thanks, Whitney. Yes, I have watched all those videos at accuratereloading.com. Didn't see one person who was able to hold onto the gun either. Not everyone dropped it, but no one was able to maintain their grip with both hands. Even the big guys. Man! LOL. I'd love to fire one. But if I owned one, I don't think I'd let anyone else fire it . . . Because you AIN'T GONNA drop my eighteen thousand dollar rifle, thank you very much!



BTW, where'd you fire yours? Thanks again for the info. Cheers!

Too funny Saeed! It's amazing how so many "experts" come out on the internet.

Tell us if there are any more Ministry of the Interior jobs on offer...I might just get to like a government job after all

LOL The Internet Ministry of Disinformation (IMD) was working overtime on that thread! Too funny!

We have gained a great deal with the internet, new friends, better access to stuff we love, info we never thought we'd be able to get, but we lost the wisdom of editors! Just like some people simply shouldn't own guns, some people simply shouldn't be authorized an opinion! You know, the folks God invented Evolution to get rid of!

Saeed you just made my day now I know everything about hunting Elephant I will ever need





Flip

And all this time I thought you lived in the UAE! Now we find out you have a ballistics lab in Saudi Arabia. Hmph. guess ya can't trust anyone these days.

"The thing about elephants is that they have low blood pressure and huge blood volume, so if you shoot one "through the boiler room," it can take him so long to die that you'll never find him. Therefore, standard practice for elephant hunters is the head shot."

Really, I didn't know this. The elephant I shot "through the boiler room" must have had high blood pressure because he didn't go very far before he died. I guess I was just lucky and shot an elephant with a medical condition.

Regards,

Terry

Gentlemen,

One of our members posted a link to some of our hunting videos on another hunting forum.

Some of the replies are - interesting?

I suppose we do have different ways of hunting

YOU DONT SHOOT A ANIMAL OF ANY TYPE IN THE REAR WHILE RUNNING AWAY



Why the Hell not???? Any follow up shot on buffalo is fair game.



I love the internet. Full of knowledgeable people.



Regards,



Terry

Guess that means no more shooting Texans in the heart?

And here is another one

"...Now there not a deer hunter in the world with any kinda ethix that would shoot a deer at 100yards as it was running away..."

Saeed,



In the future I want you to take all of your buffalo from a tree stand with one shot -- NO EXCEPTIONS.



Damn unsporting of you to track down a buffalo and shoot him more than once.



Regards,



Terry

Reminds me of the adage, "Opinions are like assholes, everyone's got one, and some of them stink."

Thanks Saeed, delightful!

I have seen similar on Swedish hunting forums.

Regards,
Martin

Looks to me like that Michigan based, Disneyland forum should steal the name "The Crater Of Ignorance"! It would be quite suitable from what I read of their discussion.



They want to hunt and kill animals, but prefer to avoid seeing the animals actually die? What sort of unrealistic world are they pretending to live in? They almost sound like a bunch of "Veggans"! I'd almost be suprised if they gut their own animals, since this would get blood on their hands...



Erik D.

Read this banter on another FORUM.

I see why that one guy got banned.

Regards,

Terry

Terry,

I shot a couple of buffalo once, and as one of them was still alive as we got closer, I shot him again.

I was in the process of shooting him a third time, when my PH said something like "you shot him twice already". I asked him if there was any regulation against shooting buffalo more than twice, to which he replied "yes, the game department only allows two shot per buffalo".

This was all heard on video.

Later on, I shot one buffalo across the river from us, and he took off after the shot. As he kept running, I kept shooting. Finally killing him at over 300 yards as he stopped to look back. I fired 4 shots at him. The first hit him behind the shoulders, the second hit him in the rear end as he was running away. The third hit him smack in the middle of the stomach, and fourth hit him in teh heart.

We were watching that video with some friends here at my home, and one of them turned around to another and said "typical of Saeed, disobaying the rules again! He is not supposed to shoot more twice at the buffalo, and he goes and shoots it 4 times. I bet he did it on purpose to annoy the game scout!"

I just got this one from another forum. Now AR is made up of Dutch flk out of Africa!



I love the Internet



"What kind of gun is this?



This clip was originaly taken from precisionreloading. They are a bunch of dutch folks out of africa. What the poor bastard you see in the clip is shooting is a very large and obscure rifle called a T. Rex. It is chambered in its own caliber of .577 T. Rex. Its a safari grade caliber like .460 Weatherby Magnum, 600 or 700 Nitro Express. You can also find video of the same poor bastard shooting .460 and 700NE as well if you look for it."



More replies.



1. Wow, what a way to break a collarbone.



The guy in the second one who sticks his hand in the broken glass after the door won't open should be nominated for a Darwin Award.



2. The guy in the second one who sticks his hand in the broken glass after the door won't open should be nominated for a Darwin Award.



HAHAHAHAHAHAHHAA!!! No kidding. I don't think some of these guys should be allowed to shoot a .22 LR, let alone a .577 T-Rex. The second guy's terrible stance would have sent him sprawling even by a shot from a standard .308.



3. Check out www.accuratereloading.com and head for the humor and videos section, then view anything refering to the .577 T-Rex.



These guys are middle eastern big game hunting enthusiasts who thought the .577 nitro express was a bit down on power so they invented the .577 Tyrannasaur (.577 nitro express magnum!).



The power of the round can be seen in the videos where the recoil literally knocks the shooter off his feet!



Enjoy!

So we invented the 577 T.Rex, have we?

Saeed

Thanks for spying Great fun
Congratulation on your new nationality

Cheers,

Andr�

A friend of my brother's once shot a safari grade caliber .775 T-Wrecks Nitro Express Magna in its own caliber and the recoil wasn't that bad.

These poor bastard middle-eastern dutchmen at precisionunloading are just Saudi Arabian government bureacrats who like to shoot in their secret underground office lair.

They like to invent things and break doors and they have no toleration for recoil. Even from a standard .308.

"These poor bastard middle-eastern dutchmen at precisionunloading are just Saudi Arabian government bureacrats who like to shoot in their secret underground office lair."
A classic mrlexma....
We should send someone over to add to the self-righteous indignation in their posts!

Not long after Saeed first put the T-rex videos up on AR, I recall getting one of the clips e-mailed to me from a friend (who was at that point unfamiliar with AR). The caption for the video (of Ahmed of course!) was "Why Arab's Throw Rocks", and it had a long winded explanation of the cartridge's name, origins, etc. It was similar to the one's posted by Saeed at the top of this thread -- totally off the wall and obviously completely fabricated by no-minds. I laughed my butt off about the explanation....some people have crazy imaginations!

Cheers,
Canuck

I'm surprised that a man of your experience didn't know about the two shots per buffalo rule.

In most jurisdictions, you do get up to three shots on an elephant, though.