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If you are talking about Ivan's thread about the bullet falling from the ele's trunk...I think it is obvious there that it was lack of velocity probably from an under charged cartridge. There was NO sign of bullet failure on that Woodleigh bullet. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ J. Lane Easter, DVM A born Texan has instilled in his system a mind-set of no retreat or no surrender. I wish everyone the world over had the dominating spirit that motivates Texans.– Billy Clayton, Speaker of the Texas House No state commands such fierce pride and loyalty. Lesser mortals are pitied for their misfortune in not being born in Texas.— Queen Elizabeth II on her visit to Texas in May, 1991. | |||
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I'm not saying your wrong on this but last year I posted a thread asking any one to relate an experience with failure of a Woodleigh solid. I had one response and that bullet only veered a couple of inches off course on a head shot elephant. There was also a report of a GS Custom FN solid veering off course on the same thread. Now consider that there are many more Woodleighs used in Africa than GS or NF flat nosed solids. Woodleighs have been used in several brands of factory loads. None for the GS or NF. Between JPK and my self we have used over 150 RN steel Jacketed solids on dangerous game without ant failures. If they do fail it must be exceedingly rare. I am always open to changing my mind if evidence comes forth. I thought I was pretty up to date on reported bullet failures but maybe I have missed some. Please list some of these reported failures. 465H&H | |||
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Ok...I am talking off the top of my head with out checking. And I agree lots of ele shot with Woodleighs so if they are over-represented in failure...maybe cause lots are shot. But...Ganyana wrote an article a few years ago published in African Hunter with a lot of pictures of bullets dissected out of ele. If...I remember correctly...many of the deformed bullets were Woodleigh. In Kevin's book...a lot of the deformed bullet pics are Woodleighs. Just about every deformed solid picture I have ever seen was a Woodleigh or a few older Barnes. Thus far...I have not heard of a deformed off course NF FNS and since you are quoting JPK...He is the one who got me started on NF's and shoots them hisself...albeit...I have never heard him bad-mouth Woodleighs. As I have said...I have NO experience with Woodleighs either. Just seems that every time I read a bout a deformed and/or veered off course solid...it is a Woodleigh. Correct me where wrong. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ J. Lane Easter, DVM A born Texan has instilled in his system a mind-set of no retreat or no surrender. I wish everyone the world over had the dominating spirit that motivates Texans.– Billy Clayton, Speaker of the Texas House No state commands such fierce pride and loyalty. Lesser mortals are pitied for their misfortune in not being born in Texas.— Queen Elizabeth II on her visit to Texas in May, 1991. | |||
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I also have shot NF solids into elephant. I don't bad mouth them either. But that doesn't mean Woodleighs deform or veer. Here are some FN solids that some woiuuld consider failures.    465H-H | |||
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by 465H&H: /QUOTE]I recognize the Barnes which I mentioned as well. In my book...not sure they classify as a true FNS...more of a modified RNS. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ J. Lane Easter, DVM A born Texan has instilled in his system a mind-set of no retreat or no surrender. I wish everyone the world over had the dominating spirit that motivates Texans.– Billy Clayton, Speaker of the Texas House No state commands such fierce pride and loyalty. Lesser mortals are pitied for their misfortune in not being born in Texas.— Queen Elizabeth II on her visit to Texas in May, 1991. | |||
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http://forums.accuratereloadin...=643101959&f=1411043 http://forums.accuratereloadin...041077931#4041077931 A quote from a fellow shooter/hunter: "Sometimes I think the Woodleigh FMJ is a cult of sorts. I don't understand it myself. I used to do a lot of handgun shooting in my youth. Guys would spend a couple of $1000 dollars on expensive 45 acp 1911s. Myself included. Some would malfunction on a regular basis, but ask the guy if his handgun is reliable and he will tell you it's 100% reliable, never once jammed ever. But just last weeks match you watched while that same gun could not get a magazine thru it without a malfunction. Same thing here I think." ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ J. Lane Easter, DVM A born Texan has instilled in his system a mind-set of no retreat or no surrender. I wish everyone the world over had the dominating spirit that motivates Texans.– Billy Clayton, Speaker of the Texas House No state commands such fierce pride and loyalty. Lesser mortals are pitied for their misfortune in not being born in Texas.— Queen Elizabeth II on her visit to Texas in May, 1991. | |||
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It isn't a cult. It is just that a lot of elephant hunters have used Woodleigh solids with complete satisfaction on a heck of a lot of elephant. You use what you know works. levdm, I believe the bullets are Trophy Bonded Sledghammer, Nosler solid and GS ccustom in that order. I may be wrong on the GS Custom though. 465H&H | |||
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465 those are not GS's but 9,3mm 300gr Bridgers - too loooong for 14" twist at close range...if they'd be 286gr or even better 265gr they'd still be flying around. | |||
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I have only killed two bulls, but my handloads with Woodleigh steel jacketed solids (600 grains) on the first, and Barnes banded solids (570 grains) on the second, did the job very well in both cases. I'd be willing to use either of them again, and would do so with great confidence. Mike Wilderness is my cathedral, and hunting is my prayer. | |||
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Yes after looking again...you are absolutely correct. I stand corrected. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ J. Lane Easter, DVM A born Texan has instilled in his system a mind-set of no retreat or no surrender. I wish everyone the world over had the dominating spirit that motivates Texans.– Billy Clayton, Speaker of the Texas House No state commands such fierce pride and loyalty. Lesser mortals are pitied for their misfortune in not being born in Texas.— Queen Elizabeth II on her visit to Texas in May, 1991. | |||
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Yes when one's only option was a model T flatbed truck to conduct a safari from...well...drive the model T! But if I had the option of a model T flatbed truck or a 2010 Toyota Land Cruizer to hunt ele from...well...  ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ J. Lane Easter, DVM A born Texan has instilled in his system a mind-set of no retreat or no surrender. I wish everyone the world over had the dominating spirit that motivates Texans.– Billy Clayton, Speaker of the Texas House No state commands such fierce pride and loyalty. Lesser mortals are pitied for their misfortune in not being born in Texas.— Queen Elizabeth II on her visit to Texas in May, 1991. | |||
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Suggest you read http://forums.accuratereloadin...1411043/m/643101959? and http://forums.accuratereloadin...411043/m/2411024931? Have just done some target work today with the new Woodies-at 25 mts they all went basically through the same hole right on the sights. Will tell you how they perform on elephant. Australia I love a sunburnt country, A land of sweeping plains, Of ragged mountain ranges, Of drought and flooding rains. I love her far horizons, I love her jewel-sea, Her beauty and her terror The wide brown land for me! | |||
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From another thread. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ J. Lane Easter, DVM A born Texan has instilled in his system a mind-set of no retreat or no surrender. I wish everyone the world over had the dominating spirit that motivates Texans.– Billy Clayton, Speaker of the Texas House No state commands such fierce pride and loyalty. Lesser mortals are pitied for their misfortune in not being born in Texas.— Queen Elizabeth II on her visit to Texas in May, 1991. | |||
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I have shot 3-hole touching clover leafs at 100 yards several times with my old M-70 Win .458 WM and 450 gr NF FNS's. They'll shoot, and punch a deep straight hole! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ J. Lane Easter, DVM A born Texan has instilled in his system a mind-set of no retreat or no surrender. I wish everyone the world over had the dominating spirit that motivates Texans.– Billy Clayton, Speaker of the Texas House No state commands such fierce pride and loyalty. Lesser mortals are pitied for their misfortune in not being born in Texas.— Queen Elizabeth II on her visit to Texas in May, 1991. | |||
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Buzz Charlton's elephant hunting video has arrived. Very informative. Thanks Biebs, and the others who recommended it. What a treat to see some of the folks who post hunting reports here shooting elephants in the video! Elephant Hunter, Double Rifle Shooter Society, NRA Lifetime Member, Ten Safaris, in RSA, Namibia, Zimbabwe | |||
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