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I have been to africa four times and havent had a good cup of coffee yet. Usually switch to tea somewhere around Sal island so I dont miss it as much. I know they grow the stuff there so whats up??
 
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Castle only? What about Zambezi, Tusker and Kilimanjaro then at around nine pm around the fire, out comes the Amarula on ice.
With Tea in the morning when dose one get time for coffee?
 
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It's that damned british influence. They drink warm beer, yeeeeech. They drink tea by the gallons. If you want a good cup of coffe, bring it and make it yourself.


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With the last couple of operators we have stipulated what we needed as far as coffee went. Good ground coffee was avaialble and a French press.

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Gunny, I was forewarned about the coffee, I was told to take my own coffee and coffee pot if I wanted coffee> I got a nice campers' coffee pot from Cabelas and took a pound of vacuum sealed coffee, it worked great! Only regret was I ran out of coffee on day #9 and had to drink Starbucks the last day (I have no idea where they got it in RSA but they did!) It sure hit the spot after a long day of hunting!!!Next time I'll have 2 pounds though. The last I heard, my coffee pot (I left it there) was somewhere in Tanzania! It went well with the rusk. Joe
 
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The best coffee i have had to date in africa was nescafe instant? go figure.


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We got real tired of the instant crap and was able to buy a SS french press for 6 cups of coffee from Starbucks. It was wonderful until the Zambian security forces wanted to take a look at the unusual metal object in the check in baggage. They said it looked like a RPG type of device. We all had a laugh.


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At the JNB airport I paid double the price for cup of "filter coffee". After 10 days of instant crap I would have paid 10 times the price nut


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I had great coffee in Tanzania (grown right on the property of the guest lodge, not in camp), but that was it.

Pack your own coffee and pot if you can't live without a decent cup of java.

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Ca belas has a quart SS french press from Nissan...not in the catalog call and ask them for it....I bring it and 2 lbs of Peets Guatemalan Coffee.

Living with out coffee is like living with out red wine, scotch, or p***y...I would just as soon die


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What I have learned on AR, since 2001:
1. The proper answer to: Where is the best place in town to get a steak dinner? is…You should go to Mel's Diner and get the fried chicken.
2. Big game animals can tell the difference between .015 of an inch in diameter, 15 grains of bullet weight, and 150 fps.
3. There is a difference in the performance of two identical projectiles launched at the same velocity if they came from different cartridges.
4. While a double rifle is the perfect DGR, every 375HH bolt gun needs to be modified to carry at least 5 down.
5. While a floor plate and detachable box magazine both use a mechanical latch, only the floor plate latch is reliable. Disregard the fact that every modern military rifle uses a detachable box magazine.
6. The Remington 700 is unreliable regardless of the fact it is the basis of the USMC M40 sniper rifle for 40+ years with no changes to the receiver or extractor and is the choice of more military and law enforcement sniper units than any other rifle.
7. PF actions are not suitable for a DGR and it is irrelevant that the M1, M14, M16, & AK47 which were designed for hunting men that can shoot back are all PF actions.
8. 95 deg F in Africa is different than 95 deg F in TX or CA and that is why you must worry about ammunition temperature in Africa (even though most safaris take place in winter) but not in TX or in CA.
9. The size of a ding in a gun's finish doesn't matter, what matters is whether it’s a safe ding or not.
10. 1 in a row is a trend, 2 in a row is statistically significant, and 3 in a row is an irrefutable fact.
11. Never buy a WSM or RCM cartridge for a safari rifle or your go to rifle in the USA because if they lose your ammo you can't find replacement ammo but don't worry 280 Rem, 338-06, 35 Whelen, and all Weatherby cartridges abound in Africa and back country stores.
12. A well hit animal can run 75 yds. in the open and suddenly drop with no initial blood trail, but the one I shot from 200 yds. away that ran 10 yds. and disappeared into a thicket and was not found was lost because the bullet penciled thru. I am 100% certain of this even though I have no physical evidence.
13. A 300 Win Mag is a 500 yard elk cartridge but a 308 Win is not a 300 yard elk cartridge even though the same bullet is travelling at the same velocity at those respective distances.
 
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To tell the truth I became so addicted to Ricoffy in Zim I contacted Nestle to see where I could buy it in the states. It's a coffee/chicory blend and the closest thing in the states is Mountain Blend or Sunrise. Made strong it's pretty good stuff. Was raised on coffee/chicory in the south. Don't think I ever had a cup of brewed coffee in Africa except out of a machine at breakfast at the Holiday-Inn Garden Court in J'burg. Don't miss their coffee but do miss their breakfasts.


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I'm not sure of which of the three without which I would die first.

On second thought, I could live without red wine so long as I could get a good cold beer or a tumbler of cool but not cold scotch; the other too are a tie, I think, but I haven't gone without either for long enough to be sure.

How bad is it in the morning without a halfway decent cup of coffee? Do I really need to bring my own?

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We brought our own S-Bucks and pot (percolator)...Heated H2O by the AM fire and drank great "Joe" every day!

We had been warned in advance about the Nescafe nightmare and took a preemptive strike!

Given that "we" were an Airline pilot, Rancher and Endurance athlete (ok, a former one)....there was no way we were going without our Java!

Hedge your bet and bring your own coffee fixx'ns!

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Have you tried "coffee bags". A mixture of ground coffee and instant coffee. As a substitute for true ground coffee when needed it isn't too bad. Much better than instant. And easier than dragging a press around.

You can also buy the single cup plungers. My mate Orion on our recent water buffalo hunt had two of these, so all you need is hot water, plus milk and sugar if you take it like me.


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We used to use those Maxwell House "Coffee Singles" on the river trips in Alaska to save time. They were pretty good. Each one is sealed in a foil packet.

I have to laugh. My favorite coffees are from Zimbabwe(nee Rhodesia) and Tanzania. So much for getting it closer to the vine.

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Coffee bags...blasphemy...next thing you'll be suggesting box wine and a push feed 375HH


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What I have learned on AR, since 2001:
1. The proper answer to: Where is the best place in town to get a steak dinner? is…You should go to Mel's Diner and get the fried chicken.
2. Big game animals can tell the difference between .015 of an inch in diameter, 15 grains of bullet weight, and 150 fps.
3. There is a difference in the performance of two identical projectiles launched at the same velocity if they came from different cartridges.
4. While a double rifle is the perfect DGR, every 375HH bolt gun needs to be modified to carry at least 5 down.
5. While a floor plate and detachable box magazine both use a mechanical latch, only the floor plate latch is reliable. Disregard the fact that every modern military rifle uses a detachable box magazine.
6. The Remington 700 is unreliable regardless of the fact it is the basis of the USMC M40 sniper rifle for 40+ years with no changes to the receiver or extractor and is the choice of more military and law enforcement sniper units than any other rifle.
7. PF actions are not suitable for a DGR and it is irrelevant that the M1, M14, M16, & AK47 which were designed for hunting men that can shoot back are all PF actions.
8. 95 deg F in Africa is different than 95 deg F in TX or CA and that is why you must worry about ammunition temperature in Africa (even though most safaris take place in winter) but not in TX or in CA.
9. The size of a ding in a gun's finish doesn't matter, what matters is whether it’s a safe ding or not.
10. 1 in a row is a trend, 2 in a row is statistically significant, and 3 in a row is an irrefutable fact.
11. Never buy a WSM or RCM cartridge for a safari rifle or your go to rifle in the USA because if they lose your ammo you can't find replacement ammo but don't worry 280 Rem, 338-06, 35 Whelen, and all Weatherby cartridges abound in Africa and back country stores.
12. A well hit animal can run 75 yds. in the open and suddenly drop with no initial blood trail, but the one I shot from 200 yds. away that ran 10 yds. and disappeared into a thicket and was not found was lost because the bullet penciled thru. I am 100% certain of this even though I have no physical evidence.
13. A 300 Win Mag is a 500 yard elk cartridge but a 308 Win is not a 300 yard elk cartridge even though the same bullet is travelling at the same velocity at those respective distances.
 
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A few years ago, I looked at the coffee jar we were having in the morning.

The label on iot said 30% REAL COFFEE!

I wondered what the other 70% was!


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I'm with you Mike, this year I brought a 4 cup, stove top espresso maker and a pound of fine ground dark roast. My ph liked it so much he started drinking it as the taste was growing on him and I left the maker for him. Good coffee is a must.

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YOU MUST TAKE YOUR OWN COFFEE. In my case, the poison of choice is Community Dark Roast, about a pound per person per week works out about right if you're serious coffee drinkers.

I can see the effete California influence is working its way among the ARians. Coffee presses, starbucks, bah, humbug. Minimalism is in. Take any pot, fill with water for about 1 1/2 times the approximate guess as to current coffee requirements and throw about a tablespoon per large cup in, bring to a rolling boil, set to cool, pour a cup of cooler water in, and.....voila...starbucks step back.

Geesh, most of you guys have lived in the city too long.....Starbucks, french presses, indeed. Wink Roll Eyes Wink

As far as Scotch goes, to each his own. I'd just as soon drink water.....and that is a sign of desperation. Now, good bourbon or some of the excellent cognacs made in South Africa are from an entirely different horse.

Now red wine and p***sy do go together fairly well, but I'd stick to something like a good shiraz, don't want to overwhelm the flavor, you know.


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I have to agree with Gatogordo. Personally, I use a good old fashioned percolator. Presses? Expresso makers? Where have all the men gone?


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Real men use presses and not some silly percolator


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What I have learned on AR, since 2001:
1. The proper answer to: Where is the best place in town to get a steak dinner? is…You should go to Mel's Diner and get the fried chicken.
2. Big game animals can tell the difference between .015 of an inch in diameter, 15 grains of bullet weight, and 150 fps.
3. There is a difference in the performance of two identical projectiles launched at the same velocity if they came from different cartridges.
4. While a double rifle is the perfect DGR, every 375HH bolt gun needs to be modified to carry at least 5 down.
5. While a floor plate and detachable box magazine both use a mechanical latch, only the floor plate latch is reliable. Disregard the fact that every modern military rifle uses a detachable box magazine.
6. The Remington 700 is unreliable regardless of the fact it is the basis of the USMC M40 sniper rifle for 40+ years with no changes to the receiver or extractor and is the choice of more military and law enforcement sniper units than any other rifle.
7. PF actions are not suitable for a DGR and it is irrelevant that the M1, M14, M16, & AK47 which were designed for hunting men that can shoot back are all PF actions.
8. 95 deg F in Africa is different than 95 deg F in TX or CA and that is why you must worry about ammunition temperature in Africa (even though most safaris take place in winter) but not in TX or in CA.
9. The size of a ding in a gun's finish doesn't matter, what matters is whether it’s a safe ding or not.
10. 1 in a row is a trend, 2 in a row is statistically significant, and 3 in a row is an irrefutable fact.
11. Never buy a WSM or RCM cartridge for a safari rifle or your go to rifle in the USA because if they lose your ammo you can't find replacement ammo but don't worry 280 Rem, 338-06, 35 Whelen, and all Weatherby cartridges abound in Africa and back country stores.
12. A well hit animal can run 75 yds. in the open and suddenly drop with no initial blood trail, but the one I shot from 200 yds. away that ran 10 yds. and disappeared into a thicket and was not found was lost because the bullet penciled thru. I am 100% certain of this even though I have no physical evidence.
13. A 300 Win Mag is a 500 yard elk cartridge but a 308 Win is not a 300 yard elk cartridge even though the same bullet is travelling at the same velocity at those respective distances.
 
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When I hunted with Dube Safaris in 2003, they had a drip coffee maker and had cofee made before i was roused each morning. That was a very welcome surprise.


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What happened?

Did I end up in Walter's discussion group again by accident?

Coffee?... that's the best safari topic we can come up with?... Wink
 
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Living with out coffee is like living with out red wine, scotch, or p***y...I would just a soon die


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Do real men worry about whether camp coffee is "real" or instant?

Do real men that use presses have to wear dresses or aprons in camp?

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I've tried the coffee begs as previously suggested and they are pretty good.

I'd forgotten about them. I had a sportfishing boat and since boiling water and a running boat don't mix we boiled water before we left the dock then poured it into a thermos. When we needed a cop in went the bag then the hot water from the thermos. Drank it black if it was ass kickin rough out but ussually we could manage some cream and sugar.

Two to three hour run to the marlin when the boat was in Maryland or North Carolina and we could have hot coffee the whole way.

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Odd, since some of the best coffee (Kenyan is my favorite) is grown in Africa.

When camping or going remote, I like the little one-cup gold filters. They're lighter and not as fragile as the press pots.



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Will,

The real men don't worry about using presses....we let the camp cream puff with the cut off shirt sleeves make the coffe for us Wink


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What I have learned on AR, since 2001:
1. The proper answer to: Where is the best place in town to get a steak dinner? is…You should go to Mel's Diner and get the fried chicken.
2. Big game animals can tell the difference between .015 of an inch in diameter, 15 grains of bullet weight, and 150 fps.
3. There is a difference in the performance of two identical projectiles launched at the same velocity if they came from different cartridges.
4. While a double rifle is the perfect DGR, every 375HH bolt gun needs to be modified to carry at least 5 down.
5. While a floor plate and detachable box magazine both use a mechanical latch, only the floor plate latch is reliable. Disregard the fact that every modern military rifle uses a detachable box magazine.
6. The Remington 700 is unreliable regardless of the fact it is the basis of the USMC M40 sniper rifle for 40+ years with no changes to the receiver or extractor and is the choice of more military and law enforcement sniper units than any other rifle.
7. PF actions are not suitable for a DGR and it is irrelevant that the M1, M14, M16, & AK47 which were designed for hunting men that can shoot back are all PF actions.
8. 95 deg F in Africa is different than 95 deg F in TX or CA and that is why you must worry about ammunition temperature in Africa (even though most safaris take place in winter) but not in TX or in CA.
9. The size of a ding in a gun's finish doesn't matter, what matters is whether it’s a safe ding or not.
10. 1 in a row is a trend, 2 in a row is statistically significant, and 3 in a row is an irrefutable fact.
11. Never buy a WSM or RCM cartridge for a safari rifle or your go to rifle in the USA because if they lose your ammo you can't find replacement ammo but don't worry 280 Rem, 338-06, 35 Whelen, and all Weatherby cartridges abound in Africa and back country stores.
12. A well hit animal can run 75 yds. in the open and suddenly drop with no initial blood trail, but the one I shot from 200 yds. away that ran 10 yds. and disappeared into a thicket and was not found was lost because the bullet penciled thru. I am 100% certain of this even though I have no physical evidence.
13. A 300 Win Mag is a 500 yard elk cartridge but a 308 Win is not a 300 yard elk cartridge even though the same bullet is travelling at the same velocity at those respective distances.
 
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Coffee bags...blasphemy...next thing you'll be suggesting box wine and a push feed 375HH


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Kenya blend coffee bags in a rough fly camp are fine. With a box wine of Australian origin (the small box 750 ml size), not too bad, shiraz of course. Forget that Kalifornication stuff. Winepak in a day pack easier to carry than bottles and goes well with the sausages, onions and damper. A Sauer 202 Takedown Hatari in .375 H&H or .416.


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The real men don't worry about using presses....we let camp cream puff with the cut off shirt sleeves make the coffe for us Wink


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I took some Maxwell house Coffee Singles too. They are just like tea bags. The PH and videographer went crazy over them. Much better than the camp instant.
We use it all the time camping.


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NE 450 No 2,

My God brother...email your address and I will send you the stainless coffee press...I cannot have a Texas Lawman drinking coffee from Maxwell House Coffee Singles...the PBOA will kick me out...


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What I have learned on AR, since 2001:
1. The proper answer to: Where is the best place in town to get a steak dinner? is…You should go to Mel's Diner and get the fried chicken.
2. Big game animals can tell the difference between .015 of an inch in diameter, 15 grains of bullet weight, and 150 fps.
3. There is a difference in the performance of two identical projectiles launched at the same velocity if they came from different cartridges.
4. While a double rifle is the perfect DGR, every 375HH bolt gun needs to be modified to carry at least 5 down.
5. While a floor plate and detachable box magazine both use a mechanical latch, only the floor plate latch is reliable. Disregard the fact that every modern military rifle uses a detachable box magazine.
6. The Remington 700 is unreliable regardless of the fact it is the basis of the USMC M40 sniper rifle for 40+ years with no changes to the receiver or extractor and is the choice of more military and law enforcement sniper units than any other rifle.
7. PF actions are not suitable for a DGR and it is irrelevant that the M1, M14, M16, & AK47 which were designed for hunting men that can shoot back are all PF actions.
8. 95 deg F in Africa is different than 95 deg F in TX or CA and that is why you must worry about ammunition temperature in Africa (even though most safaris take place in winter) but not in TX or in CA.
9. The size of a ding in a gun's finish doesn't matter, what matters is whether it’s a safe ding or not.
10. 1 in a row is a trend, 2 in a row is statistically significant, and 3 in a row is an irrefutable fact.
11. Never buy a WSM or RCM cartridge for a safari rifle or your go to rifle in the USA because if they lose your ammo you can't find replacement ammo but don't worry 280 Rem, 338-06, 35 Whelen, and all Weatherby cartridges abound in Africa and back country stores.
12. A well hit animal can run 75 yds. in the open and suddenly drop with no initial blood trail, but the one I shot from 200 yds. away that ran 10 yds. and disappeared into a thicket and was not found was lost because the bullet penciled thru. I am 100% certain of this even though I have no physical evidence.
13. A 300 Win Mag is a 500 yard elk cartridge but a 308 Win is not a 300 yard elk cartridge even though the same bullet is travelling at the same velocity at those respective distances.
 
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I had a little guy named Peter that would bring coffe to my tent every morning. He would wake me up with a retorical, "Did you sleep well?" as I was still zoned out and snoozing deeply. How tough it was not to reply that I was still sleeping well until he happened to disturb me, but I refrained, knowing that another great day in the bush awaited me. Anwyay, the coffee he brought on a serving platter was made from Africafe coffee that to me was very good. I wish I had brought some home with me.

 
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When in Rome...

Instant coffee is better than nothin´ and coffee bags are good enough.

I think it´s called roughing it when things are different than at home.

Or do you guys miss The golden arches when hunting?


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Boy, talk about picking flyshit out of pepper here.

We had great cofee in africa albeit it was a little on the weak side at first, but all we did was instruct our house boy "Eyelet" (yep, that's his name) to add anoterh scoop to the press and it was great. Besides, I was in AFRICA and would have drank whatever they served me with no complaints jeez. jorge


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Camp Coffee


I had no idea that there was an intire industry dedicated to camp coffe makers. I always just threw the grounds in a pot with water and boiled it to the desired thickness. If you don't like grounds in the coffee then put the grounds in a sock (clean) and throw it in the water. It acts as a filter.


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